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Ignition (MTG/Multicross, Planeswalker PC)

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Omegahugger said:
Cue Kyubey starting a Powerpoint presentation of the metaphysical processes involved in turning a regular human into a MG that lasts 6 months.
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I don't know about you, but I would be really interested in that. And if QB is busy geeking out it's not getting up to mischief, either.
 
I'd still be interested in that PowerPoint presentation.

Fuck yeah, I love learning new things. Why not become benvelovent Kyubey?
 
chocolote12 said:
Sooooo... the backstory of a monster from One Punch Man?
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Only if we're VERY lucky.
More likely Kyubey spends the next few years trying to teach us stuff WAY above what we're even capable of learning.

Remember- nothing the Kyubey do is 'magic'. If it looks like magic, it's sufficiently advanced technology. And if anyone can make an FTL drive by learning 'basic principles' I wish they'd get off their ass and put it on the market.

But yeah, he'd likely just refuse to grant the wish. They explicitly can do that.
 
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drake_azathoth said:
Only if we're VERY lucky.
More likely Kyubey spends the next few years trying to teach us stuff WAY above what we're even capable of learning.

Remember- nothing the Kyubey do is 'magic'. If it looks like magic, it's sufficiently advanced technology. And if anyone can make an FTL drive by learning 'basic principles' I wish they'd get off their ass and put it on the market.

But yeah, he'd likely just refuse to grant the wish. They explicitly can do that.
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No, the joke was that ridiculous things like that happen all the time in worlds where the masquerade isn't a thing, and that therefore using an analogy like that isn't likely to get across the levels of success (or lack thereof) that you meant. :V
 
By the way, if I didn't do so earlier: I reserve the right to make use of some or all of the losing appearance-portraits for other characters. :D
 
I think we should definitely hold off on contracting, so like, no reason to do it right after we meet Jeanne.

But QM has been leaving massive hints that girls with potential who wait too long are being targeted by something. If we want to go that route, we need to awaken our Mana and start being able to defend ourselves really really soon. Like, next update soon, ideally.

It's possible that the threat is just a really insistent Kyubes coming in and making you contract and then doing things, but the soul gems are also missing. So I'm not sure the process is still entirely voluntary, now. I think someone really needs more witches to serve as food to keep this whole enterprise propped up.
 
Perhaps after whatever comes of meeting Jeanne, we can find somewhere to sit and contemplate our ruby pendant while thinking over the whole "get magic/fight monsters" thing some more? Peaceful meditation doesn't seem like a very Red-aligned path, but focusing on the doodad while wanting to act but not knowing what to do is the best I can think of in that vein at the moment.

It all depends on the result of the current turn anyway, though.
 
Isn't the best way to awaken Mana danger? *googles* Yep, near-death experiences work well for igniting Sparks. And I have no idea how normal mages work.

So, don't worry about it. Plus we have no reason to know mana exists etc. etc.
 
NemoMarx said:
I think we should definitely hold off on contracting, so like, no reason to do it right after we meet Jeanne.

But QM has been leaving massive hints that girls with potential who wait too long are being targeted by something. If we want to go that route, we need to awaken our Mana and start being able to defend ourselves really really soon. Like, next update soon, ideally.

It's possible that the threat is just a really insistent Kyubes coming in and making you contract and then doing things, but the soul gems are also missing. So I'm not sure the process is still entirely voluntary, now. I think someone really needs more witches to serve as food to keep this whole enterprise propped up.
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How in the heck did you miss that they're not dying because they have potential, they're dying because they're witching right after contracting? It's obvious!

Edit: might have misread your post. :V
 
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chocolote12 said:
How in the heck did you miss that they're not dying because they have potential, they're dying because they're witching right after contracting? It's obvious!
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I'm with you on that, I'm just not sure that the 'contracting' is entirely voluntary. I feel like the incubators needed a way to keep pumping out witches, and found a way to do the soul thing without consent, which would put you pretty close to a grief spiral on it's own. Then you hit them with all the bombs, and...
 
What if we wish that we could always do something that would be helpful in any situation?
 
That would give them only half the energy per 'contract', and I can't see them be that desperate.

Remember, if there are no witches, then the local magical girl's can't cleanse and then they eventually turn into witches.
 
Omegahugger said:
Remember, if there are no witches, then the local magical girl's can't cleanse and then they eventually turn into witches.
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That's the idea. If they can't get new recruits fast enough, forcing a few potentials to become witches and therefore feed a grief seed to other veteran magical girls make sense.

Part of this is because the masquerade is down, and they need to show people magical girls surviving for like 4-5 years to keep up an image. So giving up a new recruit to keep a veteran around might make more sense than the opposite.
 
Sereg said:
What if we wish that we could always do something that would be helpful in any situation?
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Ignoring the cost in potential...This'll get filtered through whatever MC thinks is useful, which is dynamic, decisive action. So she'll get something that lets her do 'something' at all times, or she'll get a trick that's omni-applicable. The question almost never is your actual approach - you can solve almost anything through a variety of means. The problem there is depth. Versatile tricks will apply to most things but will hit up against brick walls if they have no power behind them - what went wrong was that you did something helpful but it didn't help you enough. And similar. For example: blasting things solves almost all problems. Some things are stronger than your blasting, or solving it through blasting has a cost you don't want to pay. No social problem if there's no society...

SV loves to try and game systems and wordings for power, but it's not always appropriate. I'd rather make a wish in the moment like Madoka's cat wish than one of these wishes that have been worked over and over to maximize investment or to fit a build, honestly. If the MC has a wish she wants, I'll vote for it. These calculating, munchkin wishes just irritate me.
 
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tricholysis said:
Ignoring the cost in potential...This'll get filtered through whatever MC thinks is useful, which is dynamic, decisive action. So she'll get something that lets her do 'something' at all times, or she'll get a trick that's omni-applicable. The question almost never is your actual approach - you can solve almost anything through a variety of means. The problem there is depth. Versatile tricks will apply to most things but will hit up against brick walls if they have no power behind them - what went wrong was that you did something helpful but it didn't help you enough. And similar. For example: blasting things solves almost all problems. Some things are stronger than your blasting, or solving it through blasting has a cost you don't want to pay. No social problem if there's no society...
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I honestly see no problems with any of this. I deliberately avoided something more powerful than that (eg. to solve any problem)

SV loves to try and game systems and wordings for power, but it's not always appropriate. I'd rather make a wish in the moment like Madoka's cat wish than one of these wishes that have been worked over and over to maximize investment or to fit a build, honestly. If the MC has a wish she wants, I'll vote for it. These calculating, munchkin wishes just irritate me.
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I was voting for that because being red, she ants action, so she resents helplessness, so I'm trying to avoid her worst fear. That's all. I've also been trying to think of wishes beneficial for her desire to make things more "fair".

I'm tying to wish for what the character wants, not pure power.
 
Sereg said:
I'm tying to wish for what the character wants, not pure power.
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Sorry for misreading, then. Just came across as one of those powergaming wishes to me. Extremely broad, with no apparent end other than power, and gives little indication of what the wisher actually cares about. Wording the wishes more organically might help with that.
I honestly see no problems with any of this. I deliberately avoided something more powerful than that (eg. to solve any problem)

I was voting for that because being red, she ants action, so she resents helplessness, so I'm trying to avoid her worst fear. That's all. I've also been trying to think of wishes beneficial for her desire to make things more "fair".
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Wishing for freedom of action might be more in line with something like avoiding helplessness. The exact wording would depend on exactly what's making her feel helpless or what she's railing about being unfair. "I wish I'd never feel helpless again" vs. "I wish everyone got what they deserved" vs. "I wish I could slip everything that's binding me."

Kyubey probably monitors potentials and appears when they express a desire strongly, and might push potentials who avoid contracting originally by herding witches until they hit another crisis point? So the specifics will depend on what crisis she finally reaches. Until then, I don't think there's much point discussing it.
 
Locking the vote. Winning vote:

[X] Accept Jeanne's invitation and head over there now. There's no reason to procrastinate.
-[X] Thank Kyubey for his concern anyway.


The update might end up being in a weird font again. :oops:
 
Bludflag said:
In any case, we should wish for shapeshifting, Beast Boy style (if everyone's set on our magical energy reserve being low as all hell).
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I mean, if you wanna lower our energy reserves so we can turn into a mongoose. personally, I'm fine just being a dragon, I don't need the option to turn into hippopotami or antelopes as well.
 
... I guess I didn't make it clear enough. I'm against shapeshifting of any form, dragon or Beast Boy. It's, quite plainly, worthless IMO.

A big, clunky form that isn't agile or a shapeshifter with no reserves? Equally bad.
 
Bludflag said:
... I guess I didn't make it clear enough. I'm against shapeshifting of any form, dragon or Beast Boy. It's, quite plainly, worthless IMO.

A big, clunky form that isn't agile or a shapeshifter with no reserves? Equally bad.
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Well, that's your opinion, I suppose. I disagree, but to each their own and all that shit.
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A big, clunky form that isn't agile
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which definition of "dragon" are you using here? because lots of dragons are plenty agile, and they make up for what failings they do have there by being fucking dragons and not needing to dodge.
 
We have exactly the same weakspot, whatever form we choose. The soul gem is always roughly the same size and hits there kill us pretty easily, so that's a given.

Social stuff is gonna get really hard if we're a dragon, though. Unless it's part of our transformation?
 
tricholysis said:
Sorry for misreading, then. Just came across as one of those powergaming wishes to me. Extremely broad, with no apparent end other than power, and gives little indication of what the wisher actually cares about. Wording the wishes more organically might help with that.
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Admittedly, a bit of power would be nice as well, and more importantly, versatility, so there was same consideration of that, but they're much lower down. Really, I want to keep agency, as that's nice to have in a game.

Wishing for freedom of action might be more in line with something like avoiding helplessness. The exact wording would depend on exactly what's making her feel helpless or what she's railing about being unfair. "I wish I'd never feel helpless again" vs. "I wish everyone got what they deserved" vs. "I wish I could slip everything that's binding me."
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Things like this are also pretty good. Wishing against "feeling" helpless might remove our fear rather than the thing we fear though, which would nt be good. To never be rendered helpless might work better. Or maybe more specifically, to never be trapped or forced to make a decision we didn't like (eg. no sadistic choices)? Something more like "I wish everyone got what they deserved" is actually my first choice. I'm just worried about the cost of a world affecting wish. Maybe something ike "I wish I could bring justice"? (Actually, that's my favourite so far) Or maybe, "I wish I could reward or punish anyone as they deserved"?
 
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