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[LostDeviljho]

That does seem at odds with @'ing people to vote Comi as you did with me. Why did you do that then if you didn't think people would follow you?

@LostDeviljho I understand you just policy voted, but aside of Seven, who would you vote right now?

I will later reread the last EOD to see how the Logos vote developed and see if I can learn something of that.

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Walker, for the reasons people have raised about their Lover claim being kinda jank.

lol the fact that you don't actually think I'm scum is so suss. So much TMI. You know I'm going to flip town unlike Nictis who is voting me because they genuinely believe I'm scum. You on the other hand are just aiming for a ml despite not thinking I'm maf and lazily going for policy or "because they're grating."

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I think you're the most convincing scum case at the moment, but more importantly I do not care. Barring the scum just fucking coming out and asking me to vote for them, I can think of nothing that would make me not vote for someone who explicitly says they have no intent to read the game they're playing in.

How would you know this? You haven't engaged with me until now. Did we have an interaction yesterDay?

Btw what happened to your suspicion of Nictis knowing the roles were duds D1?

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A) I can fucking read.
B) Being correct about Logos being scum bought back a lot of their towncred. Theoretically could be bussing, but didn't feel like it.

 

[LostDeviljho]

The key phrase there is "in the world where I flip town." Your answer implies scum motivation so doesn't really answer the question. You don't think it's odd that LDj thinks I'm going to flip town but what's to use a third ML on me anyway? Ignore your feelings for today, I'm going to be yeeted, I'm not arguing against that, right now I'm trying to prepare you for tomorrow.

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I do not, in fact, think that, and very specifically clarified the post you quoted immediately after I realized the phrasing could be read like that. Also that was before Nictis made a pretty solid case for your scumminess.

 

[Nictis]

The key phrase there is "in the world where I flip town." Your answer implies scum motivation so doesn't really answer the question. You don't think it's odd that LDj thinks I'm going to flip town but what's to use a third ML on me anyway? Ignore your feelings for today, I'm going to be yeeted, I'm not arguing against that, right now I'm trying to prepare you for tomorrow.

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The key phrase in my response is "NAI." It is entirely understandable in general that you would get yeeted regardless of if you were Town or Scum when you act like Scum, actively defend Scum, and have stated that you're not going to actually engage with the game at large. Your post aligning Zaealix and LDJ as teamed is also exactly the same as you did the previous Day with me and Comi being teamed because I wasn't switching my vote to Comi because you stated I was scumreading Comi Day 1 without providing the quote you were referring to and being wrong. And it's NAI for LDJ in particular given that I've watched him do this as Town before and understand what a policy vote it, and in addition to that the post you are talking about in saying that you probably aren't Scum was reacting to your initial D4 posts where you tried to accuse me as scum because Comi died. And you also ignored the part of the post where LDJ saw there was a good scumcase against you and agreed with it.

So yeah. NAI and you're Mafia.

 

[Nictis]

Your stuff doesn't appear NAI given that I watch you do it as scum, can draw direct parallels to when you were scum, and it is and was actively helping scum.

 

[Nictis]

The key phrase there is "in the world where I flip town." Your answer implies scum motivation so doesn't really answer the question. You don't think it's odd that LDj thinks I'm going to flip town but what's to use a third ML on me anyway? Ignore your feelings for today, I'm going to be yeeted, I'm not arguing against that, right now I'm trying to prepare you for tomorrow.

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Explain this for me. Where does my answer imply scum motivation. Are you just referring to where I, as a third party to this with no actual view in your headspace, can explain that your actions are scummy regardless of if you are or are not scum? Because this sounds like you're trying to dismiss the post entirely because it's not being impartial and so can't tell if the reactions are NAI or not.

If Town would vote you for it being scummy, and Mafia would vote you for the easy removal, and as a policy vote people would vote you because you have stated that you don't plan on reading the game you joined, that's Not Alignment Indicative. These acronyms do have a meaning, that one being that there's not really a read to be made regarding it because someone would do it as any alignment in the assumption that you're Town.

 

[Nictis]

NGL, if the game wasn't the way it is I'd be rather jester paranoid regarding Seven, with them very blatantly just skipping the parts of posts and followups that go directly against what they're saying.

NGL I'm pretty sure Seven is not scum, and is just Like That.

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NGL I'm pretty sure Seven is not scum, and is just Like That.

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amendment: I am not confident Seven is not scum. I just think their... stuff is NAI.

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[Wies]

@Wies do you agree that my reasons to suss Comi were baseless?

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What reasons? I skimmed your posts, and it seems to be you referred to one post of ComiTurtle and declared he was scum for it without having elaborated on it since. So unless you can refer to a post outlining the reasoning in more detail I missed and that convincing me, yeah, they seem baseless.

 

[Wies]

Things I learned from reading up on D3:

Walker is an interesting case, and I don't know what to make of them. Their post of voting Comi but saying they would later vote for Logos in order to break a tie does feel hedging. Same with their later observation that they are actually happy Logos gets voted and yet doesn't vote Logos. But they have been consistent Comi was their first vote, and in a way I feel like it is more a townie sticking to their guns for the wrong reasons? I keep flipflopping on Walker.

Well, that sure is a tiebreaker.

I'm okay with this vote, actually - Logos would have been my second choice anyways, both for the points Nictis raised previously and because some of the previous voting history around them strikes me as untrustworthy. Wies switching sides is kind of a surprise, though.

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I am sympathetic to LostDeviljho's IRL troubles, but it is noticeable he points vaguely to voting for Logos and then doesn't. There is also this post that strikes me as hedging, as I pointed out earlier.

If held at gunpoint I'd probably say Logos, but that's basically entirely sheeping and not something I'd willingly put a vote on at this point.

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I also remain suspicious of Draxy, not for their vote on me. I think my behavior in past day warrants suspicious. But from skimming their posts they seem to not have much commented on the Logos case, except to post a vote. But it was the last vote and it was then certain Logos was going to be eliminated, so that doesn't count much for me.

 

[Shadell]

Are we anticipating 3 scum or 4?

 

[Nictis]

Mountainous with 15? I would say 4 usually but with the low amount of pushback on the Logos death could be 3.

 

[Shadell]

I'm going to assume 4 I think. which means we're in a not great space if Seven flips town.

I don't think that's happening, and it's take something Herculean to move my vote at this point, but I do think hunting elsewhere with the rest of the day may also be valuable so as not to waste time.

So, to the thread, who do you suspect if Seven flips town/scum respectively and why?

 

[Draxy]

Still suspect Wies myself. Mostly for the way they acted d3 and the claimed spy role, but they were feeling vaguely scummy to me before that as well, though that probably in part bias for the way they seemed to target me for the most minor of things since d1. Thought they could of been exe initially but think that's highly unlikely at this point. If it is four scum, I'd throw in Walker to that lot as well mostly from his role description as it kind of gives the game away before it starts if true. Is the same way with Wies claimed spy. It makes the gimmick a little too obvious, Lovers less so purely because of this games bastard rating so could see that taking a little longer to click.

 

[Nictis]

Walker primarily, Wies after that. Walker voted ComiTurtle over Logos in this post here, which gives the impression that it's a carryover suspicion they've been curating for two full Days, but before that Walker did not make mention of Comi Day 3 at all.

For what it's worth, most activity tends to happen while I'm at work and I have to catch up after, by which point the topic has usually moved on.

If you want me to make my own case, I've been talking about my distrust for Comi's voting preferences and argumentation for the last two days and they haven't done much today to detract from my suspicions, I think. I also don't like that they've switched from hunting Logos to supporting them within a single post and then never returned to the subject, especially considering that I'm disinclined to trust Logos as well.

[X] Vote ComiTurtle

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Walker did mention having a preference for voting Comi on Day 2, but on Day 3 they were actually talking about Logos being suspicious instead.

We also have Ori's preceding arguments about how suspicious we should find Logos, depending on how much weight you want to assign them. As I understand them, D1 he found the reasoning behind their votes to be suspicious enough to target them, and on D2, he felt that their willingness to make an early claim indicated untrustworthiness. The night kill is also incredibly suspicious in an incredibly obvious way, which makes it tricky to assess I'd feel a lot more comfortable if we had actual evidence of Logos' powers one way or another.

Actually - not to be obtuse, but do we have concrete evidence of any power role? The vigilante never got a shot off, the doctor claims to have never had their services be necessary, the investigator has consistently failed to reveal positive results, and no serial killer colors have appeared.

Mentors just share a nightchat with one target per night, I think.

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For what it's worth, most activity tends to happen while I'm at work and I have to catch up after, by which point the topic has usually moved on.

If you want me to make my own case, I've been talking about my distrust for Comi's voting preferences and argumentation for the last two days and they haven't done much today to detract from my suspicions, I think. I also don't like that they've switched from hunting Logos to supporting them within a single post and then never returned to the subject, especially considering that I'm disinclined to trust Logos as well.

[X] Vote ComiTurtle

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Well, that sure is a tiebreaker.

I'm okay with this vote, actually - Logos would have been my second choice anyways, both for the points Nictis raised previously and because some of the previous voting history around them strikes me as untrustworthy. Wies switching sides is kind of a surprise, though.

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So that's the Day 3 stuff from Walker regarding Logos and Comi, here's the times Walker mentions Comi Day 2.

I'm nowhere near leveling accusations yet, but for top two points of concern, I'd probably say Comi and Nictis. Neither of them have done anything explicitly wrong yet, but I feel somewhat concerned about both, for different reasons.

ComiTurtle kicking off the Scia bandwagon is a little weird to me; I can't specifically say that it's scummy, but the decision to target Scia seems rather abrupt. If they do another late vote switch that kicks off a bandwagon, I'm going to wonder.

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Not wanting to be voted is understandable. However, no one else has expressed any doubt about the reliability of death reveals, nor has anyone else made any mention of the need for a coroner, so it seems as if you're presenting a solution to a problem you've raised. Unless you have someone else to corroborate your concerns, I'm most inclined to vote you today (or Comi).

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The very beginning of the Day being a slight amount of focus on Comi in case they lead a second wagon switch (Side Note: This is something Seven explicitly tags Wies about later on) and the end of the Day Walker tosses out that they'd be inclined to vote either Roach or Comi. There's been a lot more focus on Roach with regards to the roleclaim and setup speculation.

So Walker is kinda standing out here because of the Comi focus not really matching up to what it sounds like.

How I'd rate it though: Walker is more tied to Seven while Wies is more tied to Logos than Seven. Individually I'd feel much more confident in stating that Wies is Mafia than that Walker is Mafia, and I honestly don't see a point in working with a hypothetical Seven is Town world since Seven is Mafia.

And rolewise of course, Wies claiming Spy is super convenient even if the game isn't mountainous since it can't really be disproved given that the Mafia always know who they target, and Walker's claim doesn't really match for me personally.

 

[Wies]

It makes the gimmick a little too obvious

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To me it was initially not so obvious. I assumed it could be useful in determining who was town in case a protective power stopped a kill.

Side Note: This is something Seven explicitly tags Wies about later on

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Huh, when? Or do you mean as in trying to cause a second wagon? Only fair to point then out Seven was also tagging other people.

 

[Wies]

So, to the thread, who do you suspect if Seven flips town/scum respectively and why?

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If Seven flips town, I honestly don't think it would change much and you two certainly are up in my trust with being among the drivers for a Logos elimination. And while I haven't decided yet, the voting for Seven based on the being confident Logos is a mafia Doctor seems sensible, so I would think it was town being mistaken.

If Seven flips mafia, it further strengthens my trust in you, Nictis and Zaelix.

So I guess in both cases I would still look for mafia between Draxy, LostDeviljho and Walker. As for why, I have spoken about that already.

 

[Nictis]

Huh, when? Or do you mean as in trying to cause a second wagon? Only fair to point then out Seven was also tagging other people.

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Hey Wies you should vote ComiTurtle

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Seems then you got confused, Comi. I kicked off, albeit got unhappy with it, the speculation wheter this is mountaneous.

If I understand you correctly, your case is based on that one big post of Comi feeling tonally off compared with his earlier play?

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@Wies yeah and I mean he's scum and pushed two MLs right?

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Specifically about the "Pushed 2 Mislynches" angle.

 

[Walker]

So, to the thread, who do you suspect if Seven flips town/scum respectively and why?

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I'm inclined to assume Nictis and Seven are on opposite sides either way, considering how the two of them have been going at each other. Beyond that - if scum, I'd be concerned about LDJ having started the day with a very milquetoast defense of them before switching to a policy vote against then as the day's trend became clearer. If town, Nictis, for the reasons previously stated. Zaealix's Start-of-Day vote on Seven is also uncomfortably terse, but they've historically been fairly town.

 

[Nictis]

Alternatively I'm bussing all of my mafia mates and then self destructing with a meme. 👍

 

[Shadell]

Alternatively I'm bussing all of my mafia mates and then self destructing with a meme. 👍

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Sounds legit.

More seriously, I could see bussing Logos, the doc claim was thin ice at best and using it for solid towncred would make sense as soon as the gimmick came to light and the mechanic was pointed out.

Bussing Seven is probably a somewhat harder sell, particularly this early or aggressively and right after pushing Logos.


OTOH when Seven flips scum I solidly anticipate your death tonight so, we can revisit if you somehow make it to f4 while this actively town in mountainous.

 

[Draxy]

To me it was initially not so obvious. I assumed it could be useful in determining who was town in case a protective power stopped a kill.

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That honestly didn't even occur to me, it's a good point and knocked down your probably scum rating a bit. So I'll move onto the next in my list.

[X] Vote Seven

Also minor nitpick that's been getting on my nerves a little, but @Seven can you please try and take maybe just a minute or two longer when writing your posts? I know there's nothing against double posting in this, and I get on occasion you may remember something you forgot to add immediatly as you post, but your posts are currently flooding most of the conversation today and several are within barely a minute or so of each other. It's drowning out conversation making it seem like your trying to shout over people and also just generally making things far harder to search for than they should be. It's honestly getting really annoying at this point.

 

[Seven]

That's super funny. It's the other way around most places where I play. Culture in those places is posting many small posts and irritation by quotes walls.

 

[Seven]

I realized the phrasing could be read like that.

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Yeah, I mean it's literally what you said.

Explain this for me. Where does my answer imply scum motivation. Are you just referring to where I, as a third party to this with no actual view in your headspace, can explain that your actions are scummy regardless of if you are or are not scum? Because this sounds like you're trying to dismiss the post entirely because it's not being impartial and so can't tell if the reactions are NAI or not.

If Town would vote you for it being scummy, and Mafia would vote you for the easy removal, and as a policy vote people would vote you because you have stated that you don't plan on reading the game you joined, that's Not Alignment Indicative. These acronyms do have a meaning, that one being that there's not really a read to be made regarding it because someone would do it as any alignment in the assumption that you're Town.

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I'm referring to these lines:
"You have been intentionally acting irritating to bog things down and kill enthusiasm, misconstruing what other's posts are saying"
"even ignoring that you were actively defending someone you knew was Mafia"

I asked you to examine the situation for which I flip town, yet you're assuming mafia motivation. I have not intentionally been acting irritating. I have not intended to bog things down. I have not intended to kill enthusiasm. I have not intended to misconstrue what others are saying. You can say these things occurred, yes, but to assume it was my intent (upon a town flip) is disingenuous. Furthermore, I did not "know" someone was mafia.

As for being irritating, I asked right away for people to explain what's wrong. You guys have to understand that I'm from an entirely different sphere of mafia. Instead of welcoming me and explaining what you'd like for me to do differently, I was immediately met with being voted for being unfunny and grating (both hurtful) , and now irritating and annoying. Like dam can't you just tell me to make quote blocks without jumping to that. Walker (I think?) is the only one that's tried to empathize with cultural differences.

you have no intent of actually reading the game you're playing is a reason to policy kill you

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Yet you didn't seem to care when Zone stated this very thing. I never said I wasn't going to play, I said I wasn't going to backread. Perhaps my statement was taken otherwise? Basically I'm starting the game from when I replaced in. I'm burnt out of mafia right now. I literally only replaced in because Hugh was desperate for players. Def a mistake, y'all are rude as heck.

What reasons? I skimmed your posts, and it seems to be you referred to one post of ComiTurtle and declared he was scum for it without having elaborated on it since. So unless you can refer to a post outlining the reasoning in more detail I missed and that convincing me, yeah, they seem baseless.

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Exactly. So what do you make of Walker agreeing with me when I asked him this? And Draxy agreeing with my point Day 3?

 

[Seven]

[x] Vote Walker

(sorry Draxy I forgot to vote, it'll be my last post anyway)

 

[LostDeviljho]

Yeah, I mean it's literally what you said.

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And not what I meant, hence immediate correction.

 

[Nictis]

Yeah, I mean it's literally what you said.

I'm referring to these lines:
"You have been intentionally acting irritating to bog things down and kill enthusiasm, misconstruing what other's posts are saying"
"even ignoring that you were actively defending someone you knew was Mafia"

I asked you to examine the situation for which I flip town, yet you're assuming mafia motivation. I have not intentionally been acting irritating. I have not intended to bog things down. I have not intended to kill enthusiasm. I have not intended to misconstrue what others are saying. You can say these things occurred, yes, but to assume it was my intent (upon a town flip) is disingenuous. Furthermore, I did not "know" someone was mafia.

As for being irritating, I asked right away for people to explain what's wrong. You guys have to understand that I'm from an entirely different sphere of mafia. Instead of welcoming me and explaining what you'd like for me to do differently, I was immediately met with being voted for being unfunny and grating (both hurtful) , and now irritating and annoying. Like dam can't you just tell me to make quote blocks without jumping to that. Walker (I think?) is the only one that's tried to empathize with cultural differences.


Yet you didn't seem to care when Zone stated this very thing. I never said I wasn't going to play, I said I wasn't going to backread. Perhaps my statement was taken otherwise? Basically I'm starting the game from when I replaced in. I'm burnt out of mafia right now. I literally only replaced in because Hugh was desperate for players. Def a mistake, y'all are rude as heck.

Exactly. So what do you make of Walker agreeing with me when I asked him this? And Draxy agreeing with my point Day 3?

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Woke up from an unintentional nap, so I'll break this down to show you what I'm talking about. Sorry if this gets a bit flitty as I'm probably not going to address things entirely in order.

To start, I'm going to address the Zone thing since it's a pretty good example of what I'm talking about. You strip out the context of things and ignore any followups.

Yet you didn't seem to care when Zone stated this very thing.

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You know, I think I might have mentioned it once or twice or like a dozen times that I was, quite literally, dying during that game. Of Covid. So on the one hand, you probably shouldn't be expecting me to have been operating at my best and most alert. On the other hand... That's not what Zone did.

Hello! I have not read anything at all, so could you please get me up to date?

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Nyeh. I'll take biased update over time-consuming backreads.

Very well. I shall check them out now.

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These posts are what you're referring to I believe but you're ignoring that this was a Day 1 replacement with only 6 hours left in the Day.

I regret my decisions. I see that you uh... have a high amount of post volume. I want to say I will take my time digesting the posts, but considering that the day ends within less than 6 hours, I will go try to comment on your posts before backreading.

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Zone doesn't say that they don't have any intent to read the thread, they asked for someone to get them up to date on things given that it was the end of the phase they replaced in. This is all on the same page that they replaced in, including me making explicit mention of being sick and not very responsive and asking for an extension due to being sick and Zone replacing in.

Yeah, I mean it's literally what you said.

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Correction. What you quoted was the underlined part, this is what was said by LDJ in that post:

NGL I'm pretty sure Seven is not scum, and is just Like That.

I still want to vote them cause it's grating as all fuck, but, we need to scumhunt.

On that note:

I agree with this. So, list of claimless:
Seven
Nictis
Wies
Walker
Chiperninerm

[x] Seven
Claim now, please.

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Notice how LDJ is actually voting you here to get information and scumhunt here? And how in the post immediately after this one they clarify that they meant your posts weren't AI and was just you screwing around? And that that was directly after Zaealix was talking about how your posts accusing me of killing Comi to cast doubt on you weren't funny?

I was planning on actually addressing this stuff, but I can't seem to properly wake up so I'll just be trying to go back to sleep.

You strip out context, ignore clarification, state things that are blatantly wrong and have outright said that you're not willing to read the game you joined. You state that you didn't know someone was Mafia, but you said that they were Mafia and tried to keep them alive Day 3. You say that you don't try to misconstrue but you intentionally cut out parts of the posts you are quoting that don't match what you're saying and ignore the things on the same page that clarify.