Hugh's Perfectly Normal Mafia Game Where Nothing Weird Happens Whatsoever

[LostDeviljho]

The only bastard play is that we think the game is bastard...

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I mean I'd say getting a role that literally does nothing would be kinda bastard.

Also I am no longer hyperventilating about a job interview, so I may be able to actually rub braincells together on this in a bit.

 

[Wies]

@Nictis You don't want to talk about who your three top suspects are and why?

So if not all three, which one(s) do you fellows think we're dealing with?

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A serial killer is very unlikely and so far we haen't seen a mention of someone who got doused, so I concur if there is any 3p role in play, it is most likely the Cultist.

Also, the other parity vig is scum at this point.

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I can see one town reason for not revealing that they are the other parity vig scum though. With Ori's death, they are rendered vanilla and thus a low priority kill for mafia. Revealing that might narrow the killing pool for wolves, allowing them to whittle quicker the more powerful roles.

 

[LostDeviljho]

@Chiperninerm @LostDeviljho @Nictis @Shadell

Who are your three top suspects, and whom of them would you vote?

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If held at gunpoint I'd probably say Logos, but that's basically entirely sheeping and not something I'd willingly put a vote on at this point.

Reads, if they could be called that, on the remaining players:
Seven - who?
Shadell - who? Which is actually vaguely suspicious, usually I have a stronger impression of Shadell.
Nictis - Towncore imo
Logos - On one hand, kinda shady, as articulated by people smarter than me. On the other, claimed doc.
Draxy - Neutral impression here, could go either way.
ComiTurtle - I honestly don't know. There have been valid arguments why they're sus but also I find myself naturally agreeing with them a lot.
Wies - Towncore
Walker - who?
LostDeviljho - it's me, I know I'm town, just bad at it
Chiperninerm - Who?
Zaealix - Towncore

...Upon review, I think I would actually vote Chip or Shadell, as the two "who?"s that don't have the excuse of being subs.

 

[Wies]

If held at gunpoint I'd probably say Logos, but that's basically entirely sheeping and not something I'd willingly put a vote on at this point.

Reads, if they could be called that, on the remaining players:
Seven - who?
Shadell - who? Which is actually vaguely suspicious, usually I have a stronger impression of Shadell.
Nictis - Towncore imo
Logos - On one hand, kinda shady, as articulated by people smarter than me. On the other, claimed doc.
Draxy - Neutral impression here, could go either way.
ComiTurtle - I honestly don't know. There have been valid arguments why they're sus but also I find myself naturally agreeing with them a lot.
Wies - Towncore
Walker - who?
LostDeviljho - it's me, I know I'm town, just bad at it
Chiperninerm - Who?
Zaealix - Towncore

...Upon review, I think I would actually vote Chip or Shadell, as the two "who?"s that don't have the excuse of being subs.

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Yeah, it is somewhat distressing that past day not much players have posted something and Nictis even seems to dodge my questions. This silence is stifling town's ability to deduce.

So I encourage everyone to speak out! Do not be afraid to stand out and to make mistakes! Please, speak up!


I don't mind chip being eliminated. It is possible it is their newness, but most of their posts contain nothing about interactions or feel like hunting.

This is also all of their votes:

[X] No Vote

So I don't have a good reason send anyone to the gallows today so I'll pass.

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I want to live so who am I tied with.

[x] Vote -Rosen

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I don't want to risk losing the Doc right now
[X] Vote RoachTV
Can someone please check Logos tonight?

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These votes are pretty unsubstantial.

[X] Vote Chiperninerm

Also, can someone explain the case for Logos? I am not seeing it.

 

[Nictis]

I didn't even notice you tagged me in that question tbh.

I have 0 brainpower because my family hasn't let me get sleep in this last week and I've generally lost all interest in this game. The parity vig is scum if they exist and Logos is scum because there's no other reason for Ori to have died last night. I dodged specifically your question about why the other parity vig should reveal to avoid giving them excuses when they needed to reveal and then justify why they didn't cooperate with the other half of their role.

tbh, at the moment I'm thinking we're dealing with a Mentor with an arsonist ability to help speed things up. That matches all of Zaealix's targets and interacts with a couple other role mentions I've seen in the thread.

 

[Wies]

@Nictis That sucks your family didn't let you get any sleep this week. And sleep is more important than a mafia game, yeah. Hope you get to sleep from now.

As to the case for Logos: hm, Comi's logic is based on wolf's nightkillings, and I have found that a dubious case to base your vote on. Because with Nightkills it is always WIFOM: did they really want ori dead because he was threatening Logos or do they want to throw shade on Logos by killing him? Both things are possible. I prefer cases based on interactions during the Day and/or information from power roles.

What is a Mentor?

 

[Walker]

As to the case for Logos

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We also have Ori's preceding arguments about how suspicious we should find Logos, depending on how much weight you want to assign them. As I understand them, D1 he found the reasoning behind their votes to be suspicious enough to target them, and on D2, he felt that their willingness to make an early claim indicated untrustworthiness. The night kill is also incredibly suspicious in an incredibly obvious way, which makes it tricky to assess I'd feel a lot more comfortable if we had actual evidence of Logos' powers one way or another.

Actually - not to be obtuse, but do we have concrete evidence of any power role? The vigilante never got a shot off, the doctor claims to have never had their services be necessary, the investigator has consistently failed to reveal positive results, and no serial killer colors have appeared.

Mentors just share a nightchat with one target per night, I think.

 

[Wies]

D1 he found the reasoning behind their votes to be suspicious enough to target them

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Hmm, I have read back on Logos' votes. They seem mostly there to prod people instead of based on suspicion which might have indeed felt off for Ori. But Logos' final vote of D1 seems to me implausible to make as mafia: their vote for Scia.

Reading back through Scia's posts, I still can't say I have a decent read. I could say the questions were aimed to give little info, but I'm not sure I managed to come up with better. Ultimately, I feel like we'll benefit from knowing, since there are enough interactions there for it to count.

[x] vote Scia.

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The reasoning itself is indeed not really townie, it is rather null, buuut, Scia was already going to be eliminated after Comi broke the tie. If Logos was mafia, that would mean they likely knowingly heaped up an extra vote on someone who was town, comitting themselves to the scia wagon. It is not a move I see mafia doing.

he felt that their willingness to make an early claim indicated untrustworthiness

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Might all well be. I think it is NAI.

Actually - not to be obtuse, but do we have concrete evidence of any power role? The vigilante never got a shot off, the doctor claims to have never had their services be necessary, the investigator has consistently failed to reveal positive results, and no serial killer colors have appeared.

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Hmm, is that the bastard part? That there are, in fact, no power roles? That this game functionally is vanilla?

 

[LostDeviljho]

Hmm, is that the bastard part? That there are, in fact, no power roles? That this game functionally is vanilla?

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I take it your own role would conform with that too, then?

 

[Walker]

Hmm, is that the bastard part? That there are, in fact, no power roles? That this game functionally is vanilla?

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Are we really asking this question about hugh? Do we genuinely believe he would lie to our faces, shamelessly, without regret or remorse, just to make this game more entertaining? Is there any need to ask, even, when we already know the answer?

 

[Draxy]

Hmm, is that the bastard part? That there are, in fact, no power roles? That this game functionally is vanilla?

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I honestly doubt it, if that was the case what would the point of the miller be then? Unless there's no investigative roles to trigger such.

It's also already a role that practically vanilla anyways. We're only on d3 I'd say it's too early to tell, if the roles do nothing or not.

 

[Logos]

Actually - not to be obtuse, but do we have concrete evidence of any power role? The vigilante never got a shot off, the doctor claims to have never had their services be necessary, the investigator has consistently failed to reveal positive results, and no serial killer colors have appeared.

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I'm thinking my own role might stand in negation of that, unless all kills are strongman. I'm hoping that isn't the case, and it's just standard not guessing right to visit someone who is being nightkilled that night.

 

[Nictis]

Mentor is a serial killer that gets to recruit an apprentice from the Town and usually shares a chat with them. If the Apprentice dies the Mentor gets to recruit another one, if the Mentor dies then the Apprentice becomes the Mentor and gets to take an apprentice as well.

 

[Nictis]

It would work as a bastard game if all the roles are in reference to things that don't exist, making everyone mechanically Vanilla, but I don't think it'd be a particularly entertaining form of Bastard.

 

[Draxy]

Ok just going to do a role review on what's been claimed so far

NinetyNineLies - Perfectly Normal Miller - Deceased
-Rosen/ Seven - No claim made
Shadell - No role claim, but claims to have attempted to vig the GM N1 (but not a vig)
Nictis - Claims Miller
Logos - Claims doc. Night results referenced dousing. First to claim and to raise arso concerns
RoachTV - Perfectly Normal Coroner - Deceased
Draxy - May as well make a claim now, since I've already claimed a power-role. I'm a Firefighter, rolecard references Arsonist
OriginalName - Perfectly Normal Parity Vig - Deceased
ComiTurtle - No claim
Wies - No claim
MiracleGrow / Walker -No claim
Scia - Perfectly Normal Backup -Deceased
ICantRemember/LostDeviljho - Something anti-cult. Cult referenced on rolecard
Chiperninerm - n1 claims to have stayed inside, and mentions was unaware of anyone visiting them. (post 410) Probable watcher of some sort
Zaealix - Some sort of investigative role. Investigated Nic N1

Seeing that list didn't realise how many people have claimed or implied to have a power role. Couldn't find any claims or implications from Wies, Comi, Seven or Walker. Going to guess scum may be amongst them at this point, purely because I raised a brow when I saw there's currently four people without implied power roles, which is typical scum numbers for a game this size. May be best to push for a full reveal at this point? If I don't get anything from the four without current claims I'm likely to shoot amongst them regardless.

 

[Draxy]

Ah just realised, it's five not four without claims. Add Shadell to that list

 

[Shadell]

I don't want to claim since my role loses value if known, but it is entirely possible that my role essentially has no actual interactions given the specifics.


Even the doc would do nothing if a strongman kill is the norm for mafia (and would make mafia feel oddly special probably) otoh I do think doc is among the least likely pics for actually mountainous because no one has powers that add any value to the game.

 

[Wies]

I take it your own role would conform with that too, then?

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Possibly! I say that because I am not sure it is vanilla, but it is increasinly looking like that is the case.

Anyway, I regret I brought it up because while there has been a sudden uptick of activity since then, most of the posts have been about roles, which likely won't net us wolves.

I genuinely would prefer if all people who just posted about roles also posted accusations and suspicions.

 

[Shadell]

A miller where no one can check millers, a parity cop without a partner, a coroner when nothing influences deathflips. Cult detection with no cults, anti-arson with no arson.

I do think basically that all evidence atm is consistent with "actually just mountainous" Or some other very basic setup. Does anyone (who has already claimed) think that their power is structured in a way that it definitely has an effect that isn't contingent on something else existing beyond town/scum/confirmed roles?

If not, my inclination is to suggest we set gimmicks aside and play as if it is mountainous until proven otherwise.

 

[Shadell]

Okay assuming all powers are technically accurate but missing the things they need to interact, how much do people trust the doctor claim given the high likelihood that scum/normal night kill is happening?

It feels like it doesn't necessarily break the pattern, but looks off theme to me. A scum doctor in a game that isn't multiball would fit that setup much better. That said, my role would be capable of interacting there, violating the working assumption.

I'd like to lean more on hunting, but as moving kinda renders my availability a bit on and off I feel comfortable enough with this reasoning to push here.

[x] Vote Logos

 

[Seven]

Alright time to solve the game. Hubris is a coward's word.

 

[Draxy]

Honestly, I'm also kinda second checking Nic at the moment as well. With all the roles so far being unique, and Shadell is also implying such. I'm find that there's two millers a little sus at the moment, may change depending on what others come out as.

 

[Nictis]

Question for folks, is anyone actually Cult Immune or Immune to Brainwashing?

Keep in mind that my claim was that my role functions as a miller.

 

[Nictis]

And that I thought that the role names on flip did not correspond to the names on our rolecards.

 

[Nictis]

I'm giving it 50/50 on us being mountainous because we exiled all the interesting folks or the mentor theory. This will give good info if anyone can answer this one.