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[Walker]

... I mean, I feel like this is a fancy way of saying "hey, here's why I shouldn't be voted off" which, yes, is exactly why I'm presenting it this way.

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Not wanting to be voted is understandable. However, no one else has expressed any doubt about the reliability of death reveals, nor has anyone else made any mention of the need for a coroner, so it seems as if you're presenting a solution to a problem you've raised. Unless you have someone else to corroborate your concerns, I'm most inclined to vote you today (or Comi).

 

[RoachTV]

... I gotta ask, why is there suspicion on Comi? I see the posts lined up by Wies, so I understand some of it. Myself looking through their posts today, nothing really stands out. I *suppose* they could be Scum that see a Town in a precarious position (myself) and are pushing them hard as an easy target. But... it's also possible they're Town that see someone who made a bad post and want to get them out.

What I don't understand from Comi is the suspicion on me prior to my late D1 post which has been the topic of discussion today. But, I can't tell if it's just bad reads or Scum looking for a Town to yeet.

 

[Nictis]

I shouldn't post immediately after waking up. Heal Zaealix because he seems the most likely to be Town to me and his investigation can remove an entire source of problems, track Comi to give insight into whatever plays he makes and investigate Shadell to figure them out while things are quiet before they take over on Day 4. This elaboration os for Logos.

Sorry about my low activity today, been busy. I'll try to be around for EoD.

 

[Wies]

... I gotta ask, why is there suspicion on Comi?

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Not only did Comi made a decisive vote for Scia, a townie, for reasons of suspicions which don't seem to be more than the disliking the SK question, but it also doesn't track with earlier statements of who he regards the most elimination-worthy.

Scia - Reserved, strange SK question, but here, if anything I want an @Scia for what they got out of the SK question at least at current.

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That is it. That is his whole reasoning about Scia. Compare to his about you:

RoachTV - Self vote on Meme-phase is red flag after AlphaDelta and I did it as scum and now always pings as negative personally. Second post is then pushing you to reveal. Wies vote is okay, though voting the person questioning you about your early vote is well... suspect. Post 118 is fine, but I'm noting the "What is importat for scum is knowing the roles of the town... but that's not what I was asking." is true in this post and the post chain that prompted it but not true of Roach's second post in game. Chiperninerm vote feels random.

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Then he does add qualifications for scia if his question isn't responded to.

Given the ISO on all of those players right now I'd say eliminate Roach, most suspicious actions overall, and with probably a back up of say Roach is eliminated, Scia if my question isn't responded to or 99lies for the I'm framed bit.

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'cept Scia responded.

I went for the Scum question, instead of the usualy common , who would you protect vig etc, because I feel that the revelation about _why_ people consider other dangerous, both shows off some priorities of the poster there, can be used to catch them if they downplay or ignore someone obvious and is also one that I feel is in a different mindset then regular wolfing, so it might allow something to go through.
And that it might offer more feelings for the character of the person, thus me primarily going for those that I don't know so well with a expection.

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Then when I question him, he does admit you were his main scum read and that he still voted Scia which confuses me.

Going from my main scum read to the player they are tied with is by far the most useful move I can make when I don't think I'll be able to pull anyone else into my preferred vote target.

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But I find it interesting you then defend Comi. You two have a weird synergy going on, let me tell you what.


As for other people, I am still suspicious of Chip, Draxy and Ori.

 

[RoachTV]

Thanks for the explanation.

But I find it interesting you then defend Comi. You two have a weird synergy going on, let me tell you what.

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I don't mean to defend Comi, and I don't necessarily think it was a defense of Comi. I didn't understand the suspicion against him (hence why I asked for clarification) and was explaining my perspective of Comi's play: namely, that I couldn't tell whether they were Scum or Town. So not a defense inasmuch as an expression of a lack of confidence.

Like, I could choose to read Comi as a scum pushing town, and solely share that perspective. But I feel better being transparent and noting that I'm not convinced that's the case.

 

[Ori]

Adhoc vote count started by OriginalName on Aug 28, 2022 at 4:15 PM, finished with 154 posts and 6 votes.

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  2 people have voted

  [x] Vote RoachTV

  • LostDeviljho
  • ComiTurtle

  1 people have voted

  [x] Dayvig @hugh_donnetono

  • Shadell

  1 people have voted

  [x] Vote Logos

  • Ori

  1 people have voted

  [x] Null

  • Nictis

  1 people have voted

  [X] Vote Draxy

  • Wies

 

[Draxy]

Wow, there's barely any votes on the board at all there and we're almost at EOD.

So you know what;

[X] Vote Shadell

@Shadell I would like you're top top scum reads please, and an answer to who you would heal, track, investigate, or shoot, if you had those powers.

 

[Ori]

I don't like this reasoning. I am not going to rehash the mantra of " better to have voted than not to have voted at all" but here your non-vote seems to be borne out of a wish to shirk responsibility which feels to me more mafia than town.

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I actually think the lack of votes right now are to the point where I'm actually willing to pre-commit to hanging anyone who didn't vote before i posted that tally, and I actually agree that Draxy's offloading of responsibility is literally good enough for me to swap at this juncture because I don't think anyone actually wants to join me in voting Logos.

[X] Vote Draxy

Albeit I'm straight up saying I'm going to keep attempting to shoot logos until they die.

 

[RoachTV]

Alright, I could get on this wagon. But before I do, I'd like to ask: @Draxy , why did you appear to claim a power role earlier today (D2)? You, Comi, and Chip were three people who I didn't gut-read Town D1 and who had been mostly quiet D2 before that post. However, I then had the thought that your claiming a PR would be risky as Scum, so I was open to the possibility you were Town. Would you mind explaining a bit?

 

[Chiperninerm]

@Chiperninerm did anything of note happen to you last night? Not even what if something did just if anything of interest happen?

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I stayed inside all night and I'm unaware of any visitors. I could have been visited by a role with a stealth modifier, but I doubt it for the first night. I'm assuming my status as a new player on SV Mafiapaired with my currently poor performance makes me a low priority target for Night killers. I might be targeted later on if the mafia wants to get around dodge a protection or heal action.

 

[Draxy]

Alright, I could get on this wagon. But before I do, I'd like to ask: @Draxy , why did you appear to claim a power role earlier today (D2)? You, Comi, and Chip were three people who I didn't gut-read Town D1 and who had been mostly quiet D2 before that post. However, I then had the thought that your claiming a PR would be risky as Scum, so I was open to the possibility you were Town. Would you mind explaining a bit?

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I did so because I suspected my role had a second hidden ability on top of what is described on the roll card. Without fully giving away my roll, I visited Comi last night and was given the message that I didn't find what I was looking for or otherwise. I.E I can perhaps search for more than what's given on my card, if so then that may be a theme to the roll cards having one ability given and then a second hidden.

 

[RoachTV]

Interesting. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned dead players coming back to life as a result of my role... Let's test. @Scia ? Can you confirm or deny something like that occurring?

 

[ComiTurtle]

Not only did Comi made a decisive vote for Scia, a townie, for reasons of suspicions which don't seem to be more than the disliking the SK question, but it also doesn't track with earlier statements of who he regards the most elimination-worthy.


That is it. That is his whole reasoning about Scia. Compare to his about you:


Then he does add qualifications for scia if his question isn't responded to.



'cept Scia responded.



Then when I question him, he does admit you were his main scum read and that he still voted Scia which confuses me.


But I find it interesting you then defend Comi. You two have a weird synergy going on, let me tell you what.


As for other people, I am still suspicious of Chip, Draxy and Ori.

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Wies the important thing each day is to get an elimination, it need not always be your top suspect and day 1 votes are not the most accurate regardless, the point of eliminations and flips are to have records of people plays. I've already outlined why tie elimination votes are bad, the vote was tied at 3/3 when I voted and I was at the time already voting Roach, we had very little time left in the day, and my vote moving from Roach to Scia made the vote 2/4, this stops a tie elimination. I'm not being inconsistent, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm town and shouldn't be taken as such, but you just need to understand that unless the tie procedure of a game is directly outlined by the rules tie votes are notoriously bad and should be avoided.

I don't care how many town I vote out as long as we get to eliminate scum along the path and win. I do not care about the casualties, they do not matter they only inform the game. What we need is more people voting and willing to be wrong or right than what we've had so far this game. People are too precious with their votes and it just lets scum escape. If you want to be suspect of me that is fine do it, but please actually vote me or anyone else you are suspect of I know you are voting Draxy and that is good any vote is better than none but it was an empty vote it just is a vote that direction with no information as to why, can I get a rational on to that vote and if that is still your preferred elimination?

 

[Shadell]

Investigate Roach, shoot Logos, heal Draxy, track Nictis imo.


Out on errands but should be around for EoD.

 

[Logos]

I shouldn't post immediately after waking up. Heal Zaealix because he seems the most likely to be Town to me and his investigation can remove an entire source of problems, track Comi to give insight into whatever plays he makes and investigate Shadell to figure them out while things are quiet before they take over on Day 4. This elaboration os for Logos.

Sorry about my low activity today, been busy. I'll try to be around for EoD.

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Thank you for answering. That helps a bit with evaluating mindset.

Now, as has been pointed out, we're approaching EoD. I still don't have a great read on who to suspect. I'm pretty sure Nictis and Wies are town based on play so far. I'm waffling on if Ori is a condemner or if they're as claimed, but even if they are that doesn't make a good vote target. Roach... I still don't like how their role has been handled, but discussion performance has been solid. Comi's play has been decent, so I'm inclined to look elsewhere there. Outside of those, I don't have firm reads in any direction.

So I'm going to vote for the most egregious of those blanks.
[x] vote -Rosen
Please, give us something to go on.

 

[Wies]

Wies the important thing each day is to get an elimination, it need not always be your top suspect and day 1 votes are not the most accurate regardless, the point of eliminations and flips are to have records of people plays. I've already outlined why tie elimination votes are bad, the vote was tied at 3/3 when I voted and I was at the time already voting Roach, we had very little time left in the day, and my vote moving from Roach to Scia made the vote 2/4, this stops a tie elimination. I'm not being inconsistent, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm town and shouldn't be taken as such, but you just need to understand that unless the tie procedure of a game is directly outlined by the rules tie votes are notoriously bad and should be avoided.

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I apologize. I missed you were already voting for Roach. Hmm, okay, that does make sense. Though you could have argued for others to vote Roach. But okay, I see your point.

I know you are voting Draxy and that is good any vote is better than none but it was an empty vote it just is a vote that direction with no information as to why, can I get a rational on to that vote and if that is still your preferred elimination?

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My reasons to vote Draxy:

@Draxy Is a bit fixated on Nictis and seems to straight-up assume Nictis is mafia.

I asked them whether townie Nictis doesn't roleplay either. So far no answer. Their suspicion of Nictis feels like it is hiding a motive. Could be wrong, but putting them on the slightly mafia side.

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So you did. Still eyebrow-raising to me you are saying in the same post a) Nictis isn't such a bad target, Ori. and b) Nictis is slightly town to me. I understand your waryness for his roleplaying, but that post feels inconsitent to me. If someone is even slightly town to you, why even doing...

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Especially this part:

Still eyebrow-raising to me you are saying in the same post a) Nictis isn't such a bad target, Ori. and b) Nictis is slightly town to me.

I understand your waryness for his roleplaying, but that post feels inconsitent to me. If someone is even slightly town to you, why even doing a gesture of a suggestion they might be considered to be nightkilled?

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And most importantly of all, the reason why I did an emptyvote for Dray was their lack of a vote. Their reasoning:

@Draxy What do you think of the gamestate so far? D1 You said you didn't have scum reads. Indeed, you didn't even vote at the end of D1. Is that still the case?

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Left my vote where it was yesterday, because I didn't like any of the wagons at the time and knew I'd be gone before EOD, didn't want to be responsible for any sudden last minute wagons when I didn't have good reads. Right now, still not too sure, need to do a proper reread of things.

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As I said, that felt to me a thinking aimed at shirking responsibility which felt more mafia to me than town.

From all active players, I think that is the best vote I can make.

 

[Wies]

I kinda want to vote inactive players more, but Shadell already is asking for a replacement, dunno. And -Rosen seems to me so inactive a wolf wouldn't do.

 

[Wies]

Anyway sleepytime is upon me. Have a good evening. Try to not murder each other out. kthxbye

 

[LostDeviljho]

Am back.

TBH Wies argument for Comi being shady is like, solid enough? But in general I find Comi has good reads, and if Comi thought Roach was sus, and *I* feel like roach is sus, I think I'll stick to that vote.

 

[Shadell]

[x] vote Lost Deviljho

I intensely dislike the logic in the post above this one and, articulated as such, believe it works much better as a wolf move than town.

 

[LostDeviljho]

[x] vote Lost Deviljho

I intensely dislike the logic in the post above this one and, articulated as such, believe it works much better as a wolf move than town.

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Go for it. 👍 I'm like 60% sure the faction my role exists to counter doesn't exist, so y'all won't lose much mechanically if you vote me off.

 

[Walker]

I've discussed previously my concerns about Roach, and why I'm reluctant to rely solely on their word for their crucial importance in this game. If anyone else could corroborate having evidence to back their concerns about role reveals, this would be a good time for it.

[X] Vote RoachTV

 

[Walker]

[x] vote Lost Deviljho

I intensely dislike the logic in the post above this one and, articulated as such, believe it works much better as a wolf move than town.

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Okay, did not note these before posting; if you've got time, could you elaborate further on this? To me it seems less wolf and more just a half-hearted attempt to shore up LDJ's case more firmly by trying to enhance another aligned voter's credibility.

 

[Shadell]

Okay, did not note these before posting; if you've got time, could you elaborate further on this? To me it seems less wolf and more just a half-hearted attempt to shore up LDJ's case more firmly by trying to enhance another aligned voter's credibility.

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It boils down to a halfhearted sheep plus vibes. Generally I don't find vibes really trustworthy, but they're also largely uninterrogatable.

It feels, in that sense, like something you'd say in lieu of arguing, rather than an argument or actual hunting.

Getting told they're okay being voted after poking even a bit is, likewise, a kind of non-engagement that feels specifically anti-town imo, though that may be more play style than anything.

 

[Draxy]

I apologize. I missed you were already voting for Roach. Hmm, okay, that does make sense. Though you could have argued for others to vote Roach. But okay, I see your point.


My reasons to vote Draxy:

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So you did. Still eyebrow-raising to me you are saying in the same post a) Nictis isn't such a bad target, Ori. and b) Nictis is slightly town to me. I understand your waryness for his roleplaying, but that post feels inconsitent to me. If someone is even slightly town to you, why even doing...

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Especially this part:



And most importantly of all, the reason why I did an emptyvote for Dray was their lack of a vote. Their reasoning:



As I said, that felt to me a thinking aimed at shirking responsibility which felt more mafia to me than town.

From all active players, I think that is the best vote I can make.

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...seriously? I would really appreciate that when people try to build a case against me, they also quote my reasoning for such. The first half of that post I explained why d1 and you've only quoted the parts that construct it in a worse light. The stuff from today is fair, but still. Why do people keep doing this?

On account of this, that was me just saying I tend to watch Nic closely d1 because he always makes me wary with his RPing and I get annoyed when I realise the stuff he was able to get away with.
Still said he was a town read currently, though I also don't have much scumish reads at the moment either. I answered the question that was put forth, as if someone had to be shot tonight with a no shoot not being allowed. As I always find Nic a little sus to start until I start getting better reads on people, he's always my go to option if only so I won't feel like an idiot when he's revealed as scum, and it turns out he's practically been saying such all along.

With more posts from him now, getting a vague idea of what he might be able to do and feeling a little safer.




Again at no point have I said that Nic is maf. He always RPs or has a 'thing' as well sometimes related to his role, sometimes it's not. Pretty sure I did answer this before, though I may be mistaken...

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Again I answered this above. I currently don't have scum reads, and neutrals are only beginning to form. I generally work from innocent till proven guilty, so to me people start as probable town, then move up or down as the game progresses. I really didn't have to much to go on at that point, so everyone was still pretty much town seeming.

Also just saying it now, but I probably won't be around EOD.

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I did such twice in fact! Both directly quoting one of your messages. Please stop ignoring me and my answers, I'm getting really annoyed that this seems to be a common technique in these games. I've seen it with both Comi and Wiadi before in games where they were scum. So going with my gut here now but...

[X] Vote Wies

From experience whenever I start getting this feeling that people are purposefully ignoring my explanations, I'm usually right on this.

Anyhow, that's me for the day, should really be getting some sleep but this really ticked me off.