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Hugh's Perfectly Normal Mafia Game Where Nothing Weird Happens Whatsoever

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I should probably actually read the rest of the page, but... eh? Anything else important brought up then?
 
Walker said:
I don't think Seven is scum so much as they're just unfamiliar to how SV tends to play; while their discussion hasn't been great today, I think they're overenthusiastic rather than actively malicious. Hugh deciding that the bastard game should have exactly one vanilla role also does seem in-character enough to be plausible. On the other hand, I've grown more dubious about Wies, due to their expressed distaste for role discussion and their continuous focus on discussing roles.


Are you intending to sheep Seven here?

I was not told their identity, and based on the way this game has worked so far, I'm assuming they don't exist.
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Walker+Seven? *checks votetally*
Huh. That's worth attaching to this.
Adhoc vote count started by Nictis on Sep 5, 2022 at 8:25 PM, finished with 177 posts and 8 votes.
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Seven said:
No, I'm certain it wasn't panic. Literally, logos had a scum team to panic too and there would be no reason to make themselves a target to Arsonist.
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Well, it's easy to be certain when you are in communication with them and know that they're a Mafia Doctor.
 
Alright, all caught up now. Gonna chill, please deposit any questions below the post. Thank you~
 
Those are some great points @Nictis ! I appreciate you scumreading me for valid points rather than silly things such as me being vanilla or my half-jest intro posts today. That being said, it's not correct. I was literally just speed skimming through ISOs and throwing out reads because I replaced in the middle of Day 3 haha. I'll accept my fate though :)
 
If you wanted people to believe you when you say that it's not correct, maybe don't call the Mafia Doctor a "Mafia Doctor" with a post giving a normal reason to scumread someone in Mafia, then Doctor your opinion by stating they're town because someone you've given no reason to scumread is voting them.

More seriously, you're also treating this in exactly the same way Logos did in accepting fate to avoid spew, and you act with a certainty as to scum reasoning that you really shouldn't have if you're Town.
 
Nictis said:
If you wanted people to believe you when you say that it's not correct, maybe don't call the Mafia Doctor a "Mafia Doctor" with a post giving a normal reason to scumread someone in Mafia, then Doctor your opinion by stating they're town because someone you've given no reason to scumread is voting them.

More seriously, you're also treating this in exactly the same way Logos did in accepting fate to avoid spew, and you act with a certainty as to scum reasoning that you really shouldn't have if you're Town.
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Hey, I never said they were town! Just had doubts since I saw Comi was voting there.

As for the scum reasoning, it's obvious. Logic doesn't lie.

Player X is a member of the mafia.
Player X, therefore, does not want to be killed.
Player X would therefore not make themselves a kill target.

An Arsonist can kill and wins by doing so.
An Arsonist is thwarted by those that can douse flames.
Therefore those that can douse their flames are a threat to their win condition.
Therefore they will kill off those that can douse their flames.

Therefore, if Player X believes there is an Arsonist, they will not claim to be able to douse their flames.
Player X claimed to be able to douse flames.
Therefore Player X did not believe there is an Arsonist.
 
Seven said:
Hey, I never said they were town! Just had doubts since I saw Comi was voting there.
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You said they were Mafia and tried to swing the kill onto Comi for the entire time you were posting, explicitly saying that Logos probably wasn't scum because you liked Logos answer on what they thought about Comi ("Probably Town, usually insightful in every game they play") and that Comi was scum so Logos had to be Town.
Seven said:
As for the scum reasoning, it's obvious. Logic doesn't lie.
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You play Mafia and expect me to believe that you think everyone acts logically? *eyebrows*
When you gave a logical reason to scumread Logos but asked people to vote Comi instead without giving anyone a reason to? *eyebrows harder*
 
Shadell said:
if player X is aware that the PRs don't work, then player x won't claim a working PR. How, then, do you suspect someone knows there is no arsonist without knowing the overall gimmick?
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BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE TEMPORARY CREDIT THAT BEING A DOCTOR WOULD GIVE. I've seen mafia claim doctor prematurely several times because of this. They get the role and that's the first thing they want to do.
 
Shadell said:
if player X is aware that the PRs don't work, then player x won't claim a working PR. How, then, do you suspect someone knows there is no arsonist without knowing the overall gimmick?
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Sorry, I didn't read your question. They knew because they had two+ partners with gimmick roles so they could easily guess it. Heck you guys figured it out with just a few roles yourselves.
 
Nictis said:
You said they were Mafia and tried to swing the kill onto Comi for the entire time you were posting, explicitly saying that Logos probably wasn't scum because you liked Logos answer on what they thought about Comi ("Probably Town, usually insightful in every game they play") and that Comi was scum so Logos had to be Town.
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If I wanted to sway it, I wouldn't have dipped. I would have been here the entire time working the crowd. And wouldn't be posting silly things like "Comi is Mafia. I hope you guys vote Comi who is Mafia"
 
Like I was totes just being silly there, I didn't think people would follow me for my half-arsed reasoning even if I did think he was scum.
 
Seven said:
If I wanted to sway it, I wouldn't have dipped. I would have been here the entire time working the crowd. And wouldn't be posting silly things like "Comi is Mafia. I hope you guys vote Comi who is Mafia"
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You wouldn't? So far all of your posts have been in that tone.
 
Nictis said:
You wouldn't? So far all of your posts have been in that tone.
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Yes, and note how different it is to when I was actually scum in She-Ra and being serious. I dissuaded you guys from yeeting obvscum Zae twice and I was all srs like and made sure I was being the townie girlscout that would keep me town read.
 
Seven said:
Sorry, I didn't read your question. They knew because they had two+ partners with gimmick roles so they could easily guess it. Heck you guys figured it out with just a few roles yourselves.
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This is not exactly a particularly exonerating phrasing...

Seven said:
BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE TEMPORARY CREDIT THAT BEING A DOCTOR WOULD GIVE. I've seen mafia claim doctor prematurely several times because of this. They get the role and that's the first thing they want to do.
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So they... claim a Doc D2 despite knowing the gimmick that'll get that player killed for sure if town ever figures out the gimmick?

Like, I think it makes *dramatically more* sense that mafia is simply claiming a doc for the temporary credit and relying on self-protection against an arsonist, than both figuring out the gimmick to know the doc is safe and also completely ignoring that town could ever figure out the gimmick to give credit to a player that was, at that time, in no real danger and had no pressing need to claim for towncred that would otherwise force a riskier move for short term gain.

Logos claiming because scum gets the gimmick (and thus knows no arsonist is in play) only really follows if they are specifically logical to the exact degree you set and no further.

Seven said:
Yes, and note how different it is to when I was actually scum in She-Ra and being serious. I dissuaded you guys from yeeting obvscum Zae twice and I was all srs like and made sure I was being the townie girlscout that would keep me town read.
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That you once played scum and adopted a very different persona has no real bearing on anything. Like, none of that would stop you from adopting this playstyle for this game as scum.

And, to be entirely clear, you're effectively arguing that you must be town because you're not serious about contributing to town here. That you told everyone to vote Comi and stopped hunting and didn't argue for it because you weren't serious about hunting is, like, simply massively scummy. Hanging a lampshade on not hunting doesn't actually make it what town would want to be doing.
 
*shrugs* My memory doesn't work.

My memory of that game is primarily that the GMs in that game like to play wordplay games to feel clever in their setups instead of working with the general Mafia framework, me suffering from a second round of covid, and Mafia winning specifically because Zone decided they would stick their foot in the gears and waste everyone's time by deciding they're the kingmaker of the game and that it had to be between them and Shalmoa when we finally did establish that Shalmoa was Town and nobody wanting to deal with it. I do not remember you successfully running interference for Zaealix before the point where Zaealix was established as scum, and I don't recall any actual difference in your posting styles here.
 
K. So I just doublechecked the other game.

You did the same things when Zaealix started getting pressure as you did here when Logos got pressured.
 
Also I wanna say that I hate the whole "Check my posting style in a different game for reference" thing.
 
D2 of She-Ra you didn't really convince people not to vote Zaealix, but you *did* start asking people to vote Zone after I put out that I would be going to check on building a case against Zaealix because Shalmoa/Hugh seemed like potential Town/Town with scum just not interfering. D3 was different circumstances to here since Zaealix was getting caught out as scum but had room to wiggle with the claim, while Logos was caught out because of the claim. You again ask people to start voting with you on an alternative case. D4 you specifically chose to revive me, the person who had the role Zaealix was claiming? Actively setting up Zaealix to be killed and that was only prevented because of Zone deciding that the game had to be decided by being either Shalmoa or Zone that dies.

So yeah.
 
Shadell said:
And, to be entirely clear, you're effectively arguing that you must be town because you're not serious about contributing to town here. That you told everyone to vote Comi and stopped hunting and didn't argue for it because you weren't serious about hunting is, like, simply massively scummy. Hanging a lampshade on not hunting doesn't actually make it what town would want to be doing.
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As scum, I pretend to help town while actually doing nothing. As town, I put myself out there and make forceful claims inorder to get people to take a stand and to add pressure to potential scummers.
 
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