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No, they knew. Logos wouldn't have claimed if they really thought there was an arsonist because it would just make them a target to the arsonist. The panic was fake, the entire point of the claim was for the doc credibility.
Hugh's Perfectly Normal Mafia Game Where Nothing Weird Happens Whatsoever
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The name of your role is literally "Vanilla"?
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The point being that they wouldn't have claimed doc if they knew the roles didn't work which made the scum doc kinda obvious.
It's almost like you're doing exactly what I said
Also funnily enough I did think of it during the night.
Your reasoning that I'm vanilla is so bad
[x] Vote Shadell
Anyway, Seven feels pretty obviously scum to me at this point. I could swap if this has no chance, b otherwise my vote is pretty locked here.
[x] vote Seven
Updated Role Review, please correct me if wrong
NinetyNineLies - Perfectly Normal Miller - Deceased
-Rosen/ Seven - Vanilla
Shadell - Nexus
Nictis - Claims Alienist (apparently with cult, alert and other abilities?)
Logos - Perfectly Normal Scum doctor - Deceased
RoachTV - Perfectly Normal Coroner - Deceased
Draxy - May as well make a claim now, since I've already claimed a power-role. I'm a Firefighter, rolecard references Arsonist
OriginalName - Perfectly Normal Parity Vig - Deceased
ComiTurtle - Perfectly Normal Ascetic - Deceased
Wies - Spy (only see's who's going to be killed that night apparently)
MiracleGrow / Walker - Lover
Scia - Perfectly Normal Backup - Deceased
ICantRemember/LostDeviljho - Deprogrammer
Chiperninerm - n1 claims to have stayed inside, and mentions was unaware of anyone visiting them. (post 410) Probable watcher of some sort
Zaealix - 3p investigator
Ok then, that's everyone. Chip isn't here I believe so he get's a pass for now. Role wise I can kinda buy there being a single vanilla in this game. It's strange sure but I'd honestly would place the limit at one if there is a vanilla in this game, any more than that would be brow raising. Seven's sus actions today are another matter.
Other roles that stand out to me are Shadell's, it also seems to be a bit of the odd one out here. If hit by the scum kill it throws itonto a random player sure, but in the end that role still works. it's still saving Shadell from death at the cost of another player. I could potentially see it being town if where the kill being displaced isn't random at all, landing it back on Shadell, but otherwise think this is another scum slip before everything became clear for the setup. Nexus makes more sense as a scum role with it being protection from a vig and our own none-existent powers, if it's not to work at all.
Still think Wies is scum as well after yesterday, see his Logos shift as being suspicious given Logos showed up right after. Personally think Logos saw the way things were going and told him to stop acting so sus in scum chat. Still think his claim of spy seeing the scum kill in advance is another level of useless from our own powers as well, it just strikes me as a false claim. Could see it from a scum angle perhaps, allowing them to see where our own useless powers are going and then pointlessly try to avoid?
Also @Walker just to clarify where you told who you were in love with? Or just that you were the lover and that there would be another lover out there?
So yeah based on claimed roles alone, I'm calling Wies and Shadell as scum.
[X] Vote Wies
NinetyNineLies - Perfectly Normal Miller - Deceased
-Rosen/ Seven - Vanilla
Shadell - Nexus
Nictis - Claims Alienist (apparently with cult, alert and other abilities?)
Logos - Perfectly Normal Scum doctor - Deceased
RoachTV - Perfectly Normal Coroner - Deceased
Draxy - May as well make a claim now, since I've already claimed a power-role. I'm a Firefighter, rolecard references Arsonist
OriginalName - Perfectly Normal Parity Vig - Deceased
ComiTurtle - Perfectly Normal Ascetic - Deceased
Wies - Spy (only see's who's going to be killed that night apparently)
MiracleGrow / Walker - Lover
Scia - Perfectly Normal Backup - Deceased
ICantRemember/LostDeviljho - Deprogrammer
Chiperninerm - n1 claims to have stayed inside, and mentions was unaware of anyone visiting them. (post 410) Probable watcher of some sort
Zaealix - 3p investigator
Ok then, that's everyone. Chip isn't here I believe so he get's a pass for now. Role wise I can kinda buy there being a single vanilla in this game. It's strange sure but I'd honestly would place the limit at one if there is a vanilla in this game, any more than that would be brow raising. Seven's sus actions today are another matter.
Other roles that stand out to me are Shadell's, it also seems to be a bit of the odd one out here. If hit by the scum kill it throws itonto a random player sure, but in the end that role still works. it's still saving Shadell from death at the cost of another player. I could potentially see it being town if where the kill being displaced isn't random at all, landing it back on Shadell, but otherwise think this is another scum slip before everything became clear for the setup. Nexus makes more sense as a scum role with it being protection from a vig and our own none-existent powers, if it's not to work at all.
Still think Wies is scum as well after yesterday, see his Logos shift as being suspicious given Logos showed up right after. Personally think Logos saw the way things were going and told him to stop acting so sus in scum chat. Still think his claim of spy seeing the scum kill in advance is another level of useless from our own powers as well, it just strikes me as a false claim. Could see it from a scum angle perhaps, allowing them to see where our own useless powers are going and then pointlessly try to avoid?
Also @Walker just to clarify where you told who you were in love with? Or just that you were the lover and that there would be another lover out there?
So yeah based on claimed roles alone, I'm calling Wies and Shadell as scum.
[X] Vote Wies
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lolz if I was scum id be your strongest tr right now
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Do you actually find my actions scummy or are you just parroting/throwing shade without actually backing it up? Describe in detail how my actions are scummy please and not a personality feature.
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I don't think Seven is scum so much as they're just unfamiliar to how SV tends to play; while their discussion hasn't been great today, I think they're overenthusiastic rather than actively malicious. Hugh deciding that the bastard game should have exactly one vanilla role also does seem in-character enough to be plausible. On the other hand, I've grown more dubious about Wies, due to their expressed distaste for role discussion and their continuous focus on discussing roles.
Are you intending to sheep Seven here?
I was not told their identity, and based on the way this game has worked so far, I'm assuming they don't exist.
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*Frowns*…I might need to swap if Nictis is legit about that Alienist claim.
I doubt it, as it was fairly established that I had checked him for being the Cult Leader N1, but it might be he was culted night 1 and I can't actually catch that…
But for now, stay on Seven and get him- at this point, Town or not I don't want to leave him around if he's going to act THIS suspicious.
I doubt it, as it was fairly established that I had checked him for being the Cult Leader N1, but it might be he was culted night 1 and I can't actually catch that…
But for now, stay on Seven and get him- at this point, Town or not I don't want to leave him around if he's going to act THIS suspicious.
Ah, never mind then, must of missed that. You can scratch what I said there.
I pretty much do agree with what Shadell said yeah, even if your not currently topping my list for scum reads at the moment. But since you've asked there's also been these posts since then;
Whilst true, I'm still reading Nic as towncore or at least town perimeter. They pretty much led the charge against Logos yesterday, and the day before as well I think? Will need to check. But not really seeing why scum Nic would do this to a teammate. Could be a case of extreme bussing but find that currently unlikely, unless they realised Logos life was on a timer after that doc and decided to use his vote off as towncred. If we go a day or two without finding scum I'll revisit that idea, but at the moment it really looks like your striking at low hanging fruit based on suspicions raised from the previous day, to try and push it away from yourself.
Also this doesn't make sense. It was a d2 claim, how would they know their was no arsonist at that point? Logos's claim likely was panic the doc cred was a bonus, again looks like you're trying to throw doubt on believed reasoning. And target of the the arsonist? They're a delayed killer with a lot of prep work, spending an extra night to ignite just extends the time they can be discovered.
And here you also sound very certain, your placing your thoughts down almost as facts. Doing stuff like that can look like potential scum slips.
You are Alienist, but you also Cult people?
I agree.
That is fair. Though the whole Logos thing was me actually trying to object to it, and then conceding I was wrong in that case. But yeah, I understand I have lost some trust by defending for a long while a mafia member.
Chances Chip is scum? Know they're dropping out, so voting for them at this stage is in bad taste and they may be GM'ed killed tonight regardless. But this really makes it seem like they're trying to claim a watcher role. That isn't really a role I would think to see in this setup either.
Also forgot to add this to my previous post. But this was also such a weird question. This was from d3, and you're asking why someone isn't going with a read from d1. Is also very wolfish trying to place a persons vote elsewhere.
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No, I'm certain it wasn't panic. Literally, logos had a scum team to panic too and there would be no reason to make themselves a target to Arsonist.
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Tbf I have no intention of actually reading the game. I skimmed through ISOs but more or less I'm starting from the point where I replaced in so I'm am just pushing stuff. It's scumhunting mate. Looking for reactions, seeing what sticks. Walker might be right that this may be a culture difference where you guys only push things you're 100% solid in instead of pressing things you are minorly suspicious of?
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Going by the list alone and nothing else, I'm gonna say heavy heavy shade on Walker. Lovers are informed of who they are in love with, and usually are told that they can win with their Lover, and that if their lover dies then they die with them. This doesn't really work as a fake vanilla role.
I need to do a review of the previous day to point out who helped/inhibited the killing of Logos, which I'll do later. Walker might get cleared by that, but by claims I'm saying Walker is the most suspicious at the moment.
Also, my abilities as an alienist is that I'm cultproof and show up as Alien to faction investigation, the others are just things that I did in my role PM since I don't have any active abilities.
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Shadell specified that it doesn't work on the kill, but works on every other action.
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The actions are scummy. I'm dismissing them as a personality feature because I don't really know you however, but there's also your behavior in the last Day phase to point at. You started doing a live review of the thread when Logos was getting pressured giving reads without providing any actual reasoning behind them. I'll show what I mean:
Thanks. That both explains everything and nothing.
You said that this post was tonally different from the She-Ra game and that you only read the line about Draxy and slated Comi as scum for it.
Here you outright say that Logos is a Mafia Doctor. And yet, these are your situation reads and you try to pressure people to vote ComiTurtle instead of Logos because you were scumreading a single line of post #152 that wasn't even suspect.
Anyways, Seven is definitely Mafia here.