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Ah I see the bosses are going to be exhausting to plan around
Hold It In (RWBY/Transistor)
- Thread starter Prok
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Anyone know what the invis text is about?
Aliya
Someone I might become
- Location
- Kazakhstan
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The order in which to read the sentence.
Ah thanks.
CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
- Location
- United States. Ish.
Y'know, it occurs to me that while the ash critters probably aren't the process, calm the heck down you panicky maniacs, they would be a rather good counter to process units - lower in quality and ability, likely, due to not being a front for a reality warping super-ai, but still cheap and easily reconfigurable minions.
Also, once more calm down you nuts, Ivory isn't some omniscient being. He definitely has more info than he should, I'd probably blame semblance bullshit of some kind, but even then he doesn't seem to have all the info - even with whatever degree of knowledge he's got, he's not fully clued in. If he was he wouldn't be saying "we should get the fuck out of here", he'd be saying "ooooh, juicy new target". Because the process is still weak. Right now it's a good target for them, it still needs protected from them, and they do not seem to yet know that. This is a good thing.
Also, once more calm down you nuts, Ivory isn't some omniscient being. He definitely has more info than he should, I'd probably blame semblance bullshit of some kind, but even then he doesn't seem to have all the info - even with whatever degree of knowledge he's got, he's not fully clued in. If he was he wouldn't be saying "we should get the fuck out of here", he'd be saying "ooooh, juicy new target". Because the process is still weak. Right now it's a good target for them, it still needs protected from them, and they do not seem to yet know that. This is a good thing.
At first I was feeling the same way. But then I realized that the isekai thing has been foreshadowed ever since we saw other people's semblences during our combat test: it's more than just doylistically the author taking inspiration from other works, from a watsonian perspectic something is slamming universes together.
Not exactly my favorite cup of tea for setting but it's not just hindering us. Salem is also left wondering about things like spontaneous ash assimilation circles with ash monsters
Prok
Go play Star Fetchers
- Location
- Scotland
Necessary house-clearing, unfortunately. These interludes had to happen to flesh out what's happening elsewhere, and just to give me a quick break from the main story, yes I'm aware of how relative the word quick is there. Also, as far as 'fast a buildup as possible to make it self-sustaining and impregnable" goes, that's what the Bedrock option was. The Process is safe, bar something akin to an act of God wiping Remnant down to the mantle- and even then, the Mesh would still be in place.
Honestly, approaching Salem at all was going to be a risky venture, almost as much as Ozpin was- any kind of reveal involving those two is going to be a gamble, just like poking any other 600-pound gorilla.
I think most of you are looking at this from the wrong direction- you assume that Ivory was a response to the Process being too powerful to be handed to you without upping the stakes a little, and while the latter half of that statement is somewhat true, I can assure you the former is absolutely not the case. Ivory's existence is not a response, it was a set condition implemented from the start- before I even realised the Process was going to be a thing, let alone the world-changing entity it ended up becoming. I chose to reveal it now, because, one, now is as good a time as any- but I mean by God can you imagine if I'd just had him turn up at Vytal unannounced- two, I'm a bad writer when it comes to pacing, I'm aware of this, such is the first-draft = final-draft life, and three, I try to not leave you all as clueless as Jaune generally is- and even then, that's not going to be the case forever.
I like my dramatic irony, sue me.
Most importantly, I feel, is that there's a lot more to take away from the conversation than "Salem has an isekai protagonist on her side," which, I won't lie, is sincerely the funniest fucking take I've ever seen in this thread, which is impressive considering the number of Jaune/Ada shippers out there
As some people have begun to figure out, Ivory is paranoid, perhaps beyond the point of reason- he saw, one Transistor, and, one Cell, and he immediately jumped to leave Vale now it's gone the plan is dead things are absolutely FUBU Cap'n. Now look, I know the Process has done some schmeaty damage recently, but... That reaction, from a single Cell? Like, he's right, but he's just not right yet.
What's happened here is that someone has seen a baby cub, and started screaming about it like they found that bear that ate 70 pounds of cocaine actively rushing towards them with the intent of using their face as a palette cleanser.
I understand that this interlude may have made it seem like hiding the Process was a pointless endeavour entirely undone by this one man who happened to bump into you once. I promise that is absolutely not the case, the Process has already expanded so far and so fast beyond any scope Salem could possibly be prepared to deal with without ending half the world in the process. More than that, you did choose the option with the most indirect pros and cons.
I'll admit, we haven't exactly gotten to the pros yet because of event order, and I'll admit that's more a failing on my part than anything- but that this is the biggest con right now is telling- one man knows, who has told two women, one who doesn't listen to him almost on principle, and the other in a way that, frankly, has either convinced her you're too big a threat to deal with subtly, or that Ivory's a paranoid maniac tilting at windmills.
In short, Ivory has his reasons for being the way he is, and they're not all Doylist attempts to keep you on your toes- he would have found out about you anyway, just by dint of how utterly paranoid he is, even without two chance encounters to realise what that little white thing and the big turquoise thing following you around is. More his overreaction may just work in your favour, here, by convincing Salem that you are a much larger threat than you actually are- one that can't just be easily dispatched quietly. Going loud requires far more preparation on her part than it does yours.
This was a major gamble for me because there's a line between revealing someone's existence and spilling an entire bean factory's worth of plot far too early, and sometimes doing the first without doing the second, while also justifying his existence as something other than a plot device is a very, very fine balance I can't always hope to hit- sometimes, I just have to accept I missed.
Maybe I could have handled it better, maybe I could have folded in the subterranean Grimm somehow as some people mentioned, maybe I could have foreshadowed Ivory a little harder than I have, but I'm not omniscient, and I'm a terrible perfectionist. I had to get this chapter out for the sake of my mental health because otherwise, I was going to go mad trying to find a balance that may never have existed in the first place.
I would rather finish Hold It In as a story that is flawed, and perhaps stumbles in a few places, but still passes the finish line without tripping over its shoelaces, than burn myself out on writing entirely while aiming for 11/10.
Fixed, thank you, and exactly. Grimm are noted to become more intelligent as time goes on, and there's no reason to assume an upper limit there. By that logic- why would Salem care for humans who she'll outlive 99 times out of 100 even when they get to move freely without fear of being attacked?
No Grimm dies of old age. And they only become more interesting to talk to as time goes on until the little rat bastards eventually learn how to harbour ulterior motives, and then it's just like being back among the courtiers.
Salem sincerely wishes Grimm died of old age now.
Anyway, one
- Location
- Philippines
So rather than the Transistor and the Process being purely the product of Jaune's Semblance in-story. He just accidentally stumbled upon and copied something that got Isekai'd?
Because that's what I think you seem to be implying with Ivory being Isekai'd.
It's not RWBY with elements of Transistor adjusted to fit the setting of RWBY. But the worlds of RWBY and Transistor somehow crossing over.
By that logic, Jaune shouldn't even be considered the creator of the Process since they already existed somewhere else so why do they consider him their creator then?
I mean no offence, and I am legitimately curious and confused how that works.
Because that's what I think you seem to be implying with Ivory being Isekai'd.
It's not RWBY with elements of Transistor adjusted to fit the setting of RWBY. But the worlds of RWBY and Transistor somehow crossing over.
By that logic, Jaune shouldn't even be considered the creator of the Process since they already existed somewhere else so why do they consider him their creator then?
I mean no offence, and I am legitimately curious and confused how that works.
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pucflek
Verified simpleton
- Location
- Czech Republic
By the way, @Prok as someone who is, ironically, entirely unfamiliar with RWBY, are any of the Grimm council of thirteen like, canon entities i should know about and look up (The tower gave me nothing for example on google search) or is that purely you invention.
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Does Grimm growing in intelligence mean that some of the truly old ones grow smart enough to gain introspective, examine their feelings and decide that maybe slaughtering all humans is not the only way to go forward, only to hit the glacier of frustration that is humans being as incapable of stopping in killing all grimm as the grimm are of stopping in killing all humans?
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Rat bastards... Council of Thirteen. This is a Warhammer Fantasy crossover now.
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Does Grimm growing in intelligence mean that some of the truly old ones grow smart enough to gain introspective, examine their feelings and decide that maybe slaughtering all humans is not the only way to go forward, only to hit the glacier of frustration that is humans being as incapable of stopping in killing all grimm as the grimm are of stopping in killing all humans?
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ADeshantis
King on the Chromium Throne
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It's not just that. Prok has also confirmed that seeing just 1 Cell and the Transistor was enough to put Ivory into intense paranoia.
And it's all but stated in his talk with Salem he somehow knows what they are. Despite Jaune not telling him anything.
ADeshantis
King on the Chromium Throne
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- United states
Yes, but he's also demonstrated the ability to pull information from visuals on other topics in the same scene. He's highly paranoid, and Semblances key off what your personality is like; his Semblance practically has to be some kind of supercharged information extrapolation. And since Salem isn't treating him like a crystal ball, it's not 100% accurate, either.
Salem is also explicitly barking up the wrong tree with the Process because she thinks they're novel Grimm that are somehow outside her control.
CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
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- United States. Ish.
In fairness, if you see a bear cub, odds are good that there's a mama bear charging at you.
That ain't the case here, but it's a very good thing for us that he thinks it is.
Hmm. Very interesting indeed...
Crossed over from the other setting or not, Jaune's the sysadmin for this iteration of the Process, and he's the one whose semblance built them. As far as it cares, he's their creator.
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I'm sure the feeling is mutual
Prok
Go play Star Fetchers
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- Scotland
I'm going to steal a bit from Brandon Sanderson here, and just say RAFO for that one. This is the point where revealing most anything else will give away far too much of the story before its time, and the more I'm forced to say 'dude there are good reasons behind it trust me,' the less I believe it, and I have the good reasons in front of me. I have said a few things in the past that may point people in the right direction theory-wise, though- time for someone to go WoG hunting!
The only canon one is the Jabberwock, which is known as a Wyvern in canon- the rest (well, the rest that were shown, at least) are various forms of myth/horror/Michael Kirkbride-inspired, with the only real exception being the purple-and-black mists that I just realise I never actually gave myself the chance to elaborate on.
... Dangit.
Wait wh- HA
god that one wasn't even on purpose, fuck, skaven really do just infest everything eventually
Intelligence does not equal capacity for empathy, unfortunately- I think the best way to put it is that their intelligence deepens, but it doesn't broaden. They don't gain mental flexibility so much as they fall into major archetypes, like, The Fisher-King, a too-smart jackass that delights in fucking with people, The Tower, a creature content to just sit around and boil the sea while watching over the land around them, The Furies, creatures so ADHD that they actively have to go for a few laps every few seconds to go and sate predatory reflexes because they saw a mouse twitch in a field three miles away, just to keep focusing on the topic at hand.
The Storied Grimm are intelligent creatures, but they are beyond dysfunctional in exchange, and Salem gets to play cat-herder and royal politics with a bunch of creatures that still barely understand the vast complexities of indoor plumbing and how babies are made, let alone court intrigue.
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- Hyperborea
@Prok, I now have questions about our company name.
- How would Ivory's and Salem's reactions have been different if we had gone with another name?
- If a Cloudbank of some kind already existed on Remnant, how did you react when Cloudbank Solutions won the company name vote? I imagine something like "They're going with that? Well, that's going to raise some eyebrows later on."
- Is there anything you can tell us about this Other Cloudbank now or do we have to wait until Jaune finds out in-character?
- Unrelated question, but since Jaune Arc is the "director of Cloudbank Solutions, PLC", how long until we start getting invitations to fancy corporate parties that people throw for the sake of schmoozing?
ADeshantis
King on the Chromium Throne
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- United states
RoninSword
Sky God
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- Canada
Did Salem mistake process for grimm? The thing about the ash just confused me.
ADeshantis
King on the Chromium Throne
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- United states
We're all confused. Basically, Ivory almost certainly has an information extrapolating Semblance and thinks that our new pet is Pablo Escobear, Salem doesn't know what to think except something ate an island and it wasn't her, Cinder wants to pursue her Canon plan despite Ivory being 110% sure (correctly, but Team Evil can't actually confirm it) that it won't work, and we're going to have a time and a half with the Council of Thirteen once they become an issue.
And some of us are convinced that Ivory is the Isekai version of Royce Bracket from Transistor, which the QM has said is even more far fetched than the Jaune/Ada shippers thinking Ada is in any way emotionally ready to be in a healthy relationship.
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- Location
- Planet Earth
the Ash is a "thing that exists, but isn't connected to us, but that Salem thinks is a Grimm not under her control." Meanwhile, Salem still has no clue what the hell the Process is and barely knows that it exists beyond that Ivory said something important exists.
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Dauan Tienar
To the endless horizon
- Location
- Victoria
With the information that we've been given about The Tower being the hard counter, I think that some inspiration has been drawn from Little Nightmares 2. In LN2 there is a Tower that broadcasts a signal that warps reality and fucks around with people's bodies and attracts them to the televisions scattered around the City levels. I think that the transmission ability or something similar would be capable of blocking the Process to an extent. Especially when they are as young as they are now.
nmWarden
Webcomic Glutton
- Location
- Texas
Ada will be ready someday (that someday being years after her rival is dead), at which point she can Cut herself into a better shape! She can wield the dread power of Want to excise the tumorous behaviors of her younger self!
Ada can internalize the value of Struggling! Ada can find purposes that matter to her beyond safety, like building the foundation for a relationship! The Queen of the Process and Remnant will not stop at crushing the 13 Storied Grimm, but will extend her realm beyond the horizon!
(go read Kill Six Billion Demons and confirm that Light and Darkness aren't the only stupid gods).
(shipping is not a replacement for medical cannabis; do not engage in shipping while driving or operating machinery; if shipping causes your heart to Doki-Doki more than two days, please spend some time outdoors.)
SneakyWalrus
Is the Water Free?
It is important to consider the ending of Transistor if we want to explore the relation and existence of its various characters in comparison to RWBY. Remember, in setting, the Transistor was basically redesigning reality and ended with Red choosing to live inside a virtual world within the Transistor alongside her lover, and that's not even really touching on the point raised in game about 'leaving for the country' which is implied to be akin to permanently logging out of Cloudbanks's 'Cloud', as it were.
Personally, I'm glad we're gonna be somewhat exploring the existence and integration of stuff beyond just plopping the Transistor into the setting and leaving it at that, although I hope it's not gonna be through literal isekai characters. Anyway, the universe of Transistor offers up some extremely fun contrast to the background world building (or lack of world building) that RWBY has, and I wouldn't be adverse to seeing some of what is canon being radically altered thanks to it being crossed over.
I just want Ada to be happy.
Personally, I'm glad we're gonna be somewhat exploring the existence and integration of stuff beyond just plopping the Transistor into the setting and leaving it at that, although I hope it's not gonna be through literal isekai characters. Anyway, the universe of Transistor offers up some extremely fun contrast to the background world building (or lack of world building) that RWBY has, and I wouldn't be adverse to seeing some of what is canon being radically altered thanks to it being crossed over.
I just want Ada to be happy.
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ADeshantis
King on the Chromium Throne
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- United states
Funnily enough, the Kill Six Billion Demons interludes in this story are actually what got me to read it, and now I have three physical comic books on my shelf because the art is so pretty.
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- Chile
Kind of feels like Humanity should already be dead with this many extra antagonists.
Like, RWBY itself already has things being so grim that it almost makes no sense for some positive elements to actually exists and now you are adding even more monster and stuff?
Like, how are people even still alive?
If you add so many enemies then Salem should have won long ago.
Like, RWBY itself already has things being so grim that it almost makes no sense for some positive elements to actually exists and now you are adding even more monster and stuff?
Like, how are people even still alive?
If you add so many enemies then Salem should have won long ago.