Which of the other starter choices do you want to see interludes from most?

  • Dishonored

    Votes: 3 7.0%
  • Legend Of Zelda

    Votes: 9 20.9%
  • Shadow Of Mordor

    Votes: 2 4.7%
  • Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

    Votes: 4 9.3%
  • Preacher

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

    Votes: 8 18.6%
  • Fist Of The North Star

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kill Six Billion Demons

    Votes: 12 27.9%
  • The Zombie Knight

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mob Psycho 100

    Votes: 2 4.7%
  • Author's Choice

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
No I didn't.

But I also didn't expect the jig to be up so soon and so easily

Because at this rate? I'm worried that instead of the Grimm attacking, Salem has the Process corrupted and be the ones to attack Vale from beneath it
If Salem is playing with catoms and extra dimensional mesh, the world looks a lot different than it does currently. For one thing, she demonstrably cannot always achieve the results she wants: in this same chapter she remembers a Grimm subspecies that just didn't work as planned, in such a way that Mothmen were just scrapped as a concept. If you can interact with matter like the Process, mess with things from the fourth dimension, you don't need to scrap those kinds of projects because tweaks and changes cost nothing but time.

I won't call the Process inviolate, but I am confident that it isn't anywhere near as easy to subvert as Atlesian robots, and Jaune isn't going to ignore any irregularities in the nascent God that's hooked into his brain.
 
I think we gotta assume out-of-character going forward our ID is ruined. If Not-Royce kept the receipt for his circuit boards or remembered the day, then he knows Jaune's birthday. Jaune's gotta be in the Valean public ID list, and there's only so many people born in a day, and Not-Royce will recognize us in a heartbeat of seeing Jaune's ID. So, like, within an hour of them getting access to public ID lists...
 
I think we gotta assume out-of-character going forward our ID is ruined. If Not-Royce kept the receipt for his circuit boards or remembered the day, then he knows Jaune's birthday. Jaune's gotta be in the Valean public ID list, and there's only so many people born in a day, and Not-Royce will recognize us in a heartbeat of seeing Jaune's ID. So, like, within an hour of them getting access to public ID lists...

Yep. So in short, once again the Ozpinati is gonna be put on the backfoot constantly without any advantages while Salem's faction holds all the cards? Working off of outdated and outright erroneous information and assumptions while Salem and her minions plot circles around them.

Sounds about right


If Salem is playing with catoms and extra dimensional mesh, the world looks a lot different than it does currently. For one thing, she demonstrably cannot always achieve the results she wants: in this same chapter she remembers a Grimm subspecies that just didn't work as planned, in such a way that Mothmen were just scrapped as a concept. If you can interact with matter like the Process, mess with things from the fourth dimension, you don't need to scrap those kinds of projects because tweaks and changes cost nothing but time.

I won't call the Process inviolate, but I am confident that it isn't anywhere near as easy to subvert as Atlesian robots, and Jaune isn't going to ignore any irregularities in the nascent God that's hooked into his brain.

True I suppose.

Salem hasn't won yet afterall. Though how much of that is Ozpin and the rest of mankind's staunch refusal to die out and how much of that is due to Salem's plans is anyone's guess.

Though with Salem knowing the Process exists, or will soon. Plus Ivory's likely lead on Jaune while the Ozpinati believes Salem's none the wiser...well you can see why I'm worried.
 
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More scraping. More spine-chilling. The Fisher-King seems particularly
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Also, I absolutely love Salem's council of thirteen. Because we know that the older a Grimm is the smarter it becomes, so why wouldn't the oldest most powerful grimm be on the level of a human, or even beyond human, intelligence when they reach this age?

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I won't call the Process inviolate, but I am confident that it isn't anywhere near as easy to subvert as Atlesian robots, and Jaune isn't going to ignore any irregularities in the nascent God that's hooked into his brain.
Let's also not forget the fact that the Atlesian knights were only originally subverted so easily because Watt's built a backdoor in their systems.
 
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I didn't even catastrophize this bad about the Process.

Que sera, sera. We play the hand we have to the best of our ability and go from there. No point in acting like we lose before our opponent moves a piece.
 
Well, that's certainly interesting... Let's take a look at Salem's Legendary Grimm, or whatever the members of her Council are.

Three avian figures, one with a large hairline fracture that circles its mask, are settled in a forest clearing. Occasionally, they flicker in and out of view so quickly that they simply appear as blurs. When they do so, they generally come back with spatters of blood on them.
The Furies as they are referred to, with common mythological references to the trio of referred to as 'Erinyes' or 'Dirae in Greco or Roman Mythos respectively. There are three common members by the names of Alecto who symbolizes implacable and/or ceaseless anger, Tisiphone or Tilphousia who symbolizes vengeful destruction, and Megara who symbolizes jealousy and envy in the throes of rage. While we lack more information on them to draw any meaningful conclusions, it is a possible source of correlations for the future.

A single blood-red eye, so large that it takes up the entire view of the screen.
While referenced later, I believe that this is the Jabberwock, most bestial of the ancient Grimm in Salem's view. A titanic Grimm Wyvern, and if it's following any typical depictions of draconic entities, one that only grew in power with it's age. What it may lack here in seeming intellect, I would be very surprised if it did have a level of cunning to it.

A creature that seems to mirror Salem in stature and grandeur- sitting with legs crossed, head resting against a single bony finger. However, its throne sits in the middle of a dead, blackened forest, in the ruins of an ancient, overgrown city. A simple rod of blackened yew sits next to it, strung with ancient fibre that holds a cruel-looking hook on the end.
The Fisher King, and as someone who got to this before me mentioned, a trope in and of itself. Typically defined by complete personal control of a local reality defined as their 'kingdom', this link often extends both ways. Corruption of the land would also corrupt the Fisher King, and healing of the Fisher King could restore health and vitality to the land. With a Grimm in such a role, and one sentient, the Fisher King is likely a force both unstoppable and unmovable without their personal consent, within methods that they are aware and in control of.

A simple mirror in a dusty room, only reflecting the Seer.
While I have my suspicions, my mind keeps drawing comparison's to the idea of the man in the mirror. Considering Salem's near pity for Lionheart suffering it's attention, I would not be surprised if this Grimm is in fact quite similar to that concept. Who better to break a man, than the man themself? Who better to whisper words of corruption, deprecation, than one who moves with you? And when you cannot determine whether you are speaking the words echoing in your own voice, well, I would wager that would be quite detrimental to your own mental health.
If the Grimm retains any abilities beyond that linked to mirrors, it would be a slippery agent and peerless infiltrator indeed.

A great, black tower, only barely resembling a creature, with mile-thick cables that extend high into the sky above, and deep into the ocean below; an ocean which boils in its very presence. That Seer is rigid with pain connecting to its tortured sibling.
Ah... Where do I begin? When the earth has been harvested bare, and seas boil with the emissions of that light which the eye cannot visualize, and even the darkness is but a fleeting memory as sparks of information are contained within it's chasis... The Tower is not nature. The Tower is what lies beyond, where the avarice of progress untempered by respect for that which spawned it. All is a resource, a variable, and for that which it can quantify, it can compute. The Transistor's mortal counterpart one might say, forged of destruction and ceaseless in examination.

Somewhere else. Somewhere not Remnant. Somewhere only filled with purplish-black mist and not much else. Salem chooses, quite pointedly, to not focus on that one.
Oh, hello ElderOuter Old Gods things from beyond this World. Or at least something that Salem really doesn't want to contemplate. This is probably not something to be worried about, and without further information, will not be analyzed in this post.

Alright, so, we don't have all thirteen. From what we do know though, Salem's peers are mighty in their fields. Them having encountered the Process, in all likelihood through The Tower, and Lionheart being under assault are not good things. As others have already said though... Do not assume that hope is lost yet. Though Salem and her forces are varied and multiple in both might and methods, that is no reason to doomsay our inevitable loss.

Now, the final thing that interests me, is Ivory. As others have pointed out, he is a likely expy of a character from Transistor. And for him to be working with Salem is not a good thing. A saving grace is that he appears to function more as a gadgeteer and networker, and Salem also didn't treat him like a plaything. Granted, treating him like a resource to be directed isn't much better, but she did appear to actively value him. So while Ivory isn't a direct threat yet... I'm inclined to believe that he is likely a part of Salem's human side operations, in a manner that she hasn't shown anyone in the show to have. Do not underestimate someone who is valued the way that Ivory appeared to be, especially if they have a Semblance or just pure mental skill that strikes me as very similar to Jaune's own Calculation.

Overall, and in the same vein as the Boriah Lee interlude, this one was excellently written with plenty to parse over and analyze.
 
I didn't even catastrophize this bad about the Process.

Que sera, sera. We play the hand we have to the best of our ability and go from there. No point in acting like we lose before our opponent moves a piece.

True, nothing we can do about it now.

All we can do is hope it doesn't crash and burn and try to get Jaune to mitigate the innevitable disaster. Whatever and whenever that may be.

Thanks dude.
 
Well that's some pretty dang nifty worldbuilding, that is.

Also, concerning. But very nifty.

The "ash" mentioned doesn't seem to fit the process, or at least the iteration of it so far shown in the story, since the location and method of spread doesn't match what the process is doing, and processed matter doesn't tend to act like ash unless mimicking ash or match the color patterns, and process units would be uniquely resistant to many things that would be harmful to living beings. Also, the process would definitely tell us about hitting an obstacle like that, or at least I hope it would, that's be a heck of a thing not to report...

And then we've got Ivory who definitely knows more than he should.

Yes, very interesting indeed...
 
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Because at this rate? I'm worried that instead of the Altesian Knights attacking, Salem has the Process corrupted and be the ones to attack Vale from beneath it during the Vytal Festival

Though maybe I'm being too paranoid and pessimistic.
Sadly for her, I doubt that corrupting that godlike super AI is going to be easy, especially when you are only interacting with a tiny fraction of a fraction of it. All that happens then is that you have successfully gotten the godlike AI to sit up and pay very close attention to you after purging the local instances of itself at most. It will not be the friendly kind of attention. It will be the "when did this become a Supreme Commander crossover" kind of attention. If she is trying to outright hack us, then secrecy is no longer an issue and we can just go loud.
 
While the bedrock Process is still hidden.

The fact of the matter is, Salem's already discovered the Process exists or is about to.
I mean, she at most discovered that there is a Thing. She has not discovered anywhere near all of the Things implications or applications. Which are what really matter. She does not know that it can think and learn, far, far better than any mortal mind that will ever exist. She does not know that it can create an army on demand. She does not know that it can solve most human resource problems on demand. Most of all, Salem does not know that she is on a doom timer till it goes singularity on her. Salem is used to being able to outlast most problems or patiently probe for weaknesses over time. What does it matter if she has to wait a decade or so to get an opening to destroy or subvert it? She has nothing but time. Except now she doesn't.

Knowing that there is some strange White Bedrock and knowing "oh fuck, there is a God AI on my planet and every minute I am not killing it is a minute in which it is learning and growing and becoming closer to unstoppable." are two very different things. One gets a stronger reaction than the other. Given that she was not hitting the "Get me everyone" button I think it is safe to assume she does not know the latter.
 
I mean, she at most discovered that there is a Thing. She has not discovered anywhere near all of the Things implications or applications. Which are what really matter. She does not know that it can think and learn, far, far better than any mortal mind that will ever exist. She does not know that it can create an army on demand. She does not know that it can solve most human resource problems on demand. Most of all, Salem does not know that she is on a doom timer till it goes singularity on her. Salem is used to being able to outlast most problems or patiently probe for weaknesses over time. What does it matter if she has to wait a decade or so to get an opening to destroy or subvert it? She has nothing but time. Except now she doesn't.

Knowing that there is some strange White Bedrock and knowing "oh fuck, there is a God AI on my planet and every minute I am not killing it is a minute in which it is learning and growing and becoming closer to unstoppable." are two very different things. One gets a stronger reaction than the other. Given that she was not hitting the "Get me everyone" button I think it is safe to assume she does not know the latter.

Please don't double post.

If you can, just edit this in as an addition to your previous post.

And thank you for replying and the thought out answer
 
Holy shit, I never thought I'd agree with Salem about anything, but reading the Fisher King's speech is infuriating.

Also- while not as inclined to doomsaying about the immediate consequences as some upthread- I am intensely irritated that our fairly considerable attempts at secrecy were rendered for naught, virtually immediately, without even any effort.
 
Holy shit, I never thought I'd agree with Salem about anything, but reading the Fisher King's speech is infuriating.

Also- while not as inclined to doomsaying about the immediate consequences as some upthread- I am intensely irritated that our fairly considerable attempts at secrecy were rendered for naught, virtually immediately, without even any effort.

Thank You! At least someone gets it.
 
Ngl, while i really like the first part of the chapter with the Elder Grimm meeting the second half completely tanked any enjoyment of it, not because of how it was written (excellent writing as usual, especially with giving Ivory and the Elder Grimm their own unique voices) but because of how contrived it felt.

Salem getting handed an instant knowledge button of the process/the threat we represent via Ivory suddenly existing, having knowledge of the Transistor/Process to the point of recognizing CloudBank solutions due to some sort of Reincarnation/Isekai effect and being one of her minions feels like a massive (and i mean massive as it came out of nowhere with no prior reason for it to even be a thing) ass pull.

I get that having the Process makes it hard to come up with things that could threaten us but i was hoping for more interesting developments to trip us up (things we haven't foreseen/forgot about, Watts getting a chance to really shine, new types of Grimm, strange interactions between Grimm + the Process (like Geists or Apathy's for example), the Process learning things we might not want it to etc) rather than just handing the bad guys everything on a silver platter and invalidating our prior choices/votes (as this effectively makes our decisions to try and be stealthy/avoid revealing the Process so we have time to build up while using Cloudbank as a cover completely irrelevant, as no matter what we did/chose Salem would of known about it anyway).

Still interested to see where this goes but i really hope this isn't a sign of things to come, where whenever we get an advantage and start making plans Salem and Co just get handed something new to counter it.
 
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I agree 100%, you basically summarized my feelings for the chapter perfectly.

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Like @Prok , I get that the bad guys aren't static and they're making their own moves parallel to Jaune and the others, but this basically seems to torpedo any reason why hiding the Process was in anyway a viable choice. Like, rather than each choice having their pros and cons, this was pure cons.
 
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Ya'll are completely forgetting for why Jaune was hiding the Process and the means he took to do so. As well as his knowledge base.

We were not keeping process lowkey to avoid Salem, we did it to not come to blows with local military and populace. Keeping it secret from Grimm was never a thing. There are thousands of those fucking creatures right in the process carved bedrock even. None of the actions we took to keep Process secret were taken with Salem and her capabilities in mind.

It is what it is. I am a bit jived myself because this is a prelude to expansion of scope of conflict that i really did not want just yet. Now i won't be able to enjoy the school arc as much because i know The biggest bad knows and this sword of Damocles will hang over my head spoiling the simple joy of going to school and do normal hunter things. As well as the insistent need to try and ramp the Process and ourselves up instead of focusing on lowkey stuff.

But it was tbh a fair and something that had to come.
 

I concede that you're right about Jaune not intending the Process to hide from Salem since he released them before Ozpin told him.

But, why and how would Ivory know Cloudbank then? No one should know about it yet he does. I'm betting he somehow knows about the Process too. And he's Salem's minion.
 
Ya'll are completely forgetting for why Jaune was hiding the Process and the means he took to do so. As well as his knowledge base.

We were not keeping process lowkey to avoid Salem, we did it to not come to blows with local military and populace. Keeping it secret from Grimm was never a thing. There are thousands of those fucking creatures right in the process carved bedrock even. None of the actions we took to keep Process secret were taken with Salem and her capabilities in mind.
And if that was what happened, or Salem in this interlude actually had any inkling of that (which reading again she apparently does not, so the Process was apparently pretty stealthy with the Bedrock Conversion if the Grimm haven't noticed) i would not have a problem with it, it would of been a logical consequence of our actions in expanding the Process so much and be completely reasonable.

Instead we have a character who has apparently been Isekai'd/Reincarnated from the original game appearing from out of nowhere, with nothing in the prior worldbuilding (other than the opening post i suppose) to suggest such a thing was even possible, to hand Salem information that potentially gives her more context on the Process than even Jaune has.

It's not a consequence of our choices or a logical extension of other characters actions that we forgot to pay attention to, it's just a mcguffin appearing ex nihilo to help the bad guys keep up, to the point where Ivory (despite me actually liking how he's been written in that scene) feels more like a plot device than a character which is a shame.
 
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Yeah, you guys need to take some chill pills.

Also did you guys forget were a public company?

Were going to use the process to build buildings and shit as well.

Personally I liked the chapter a lot. I wanna steal Ivory from salem, and I hope that ash plague gives Salem a real mother fucker of a time.
 
I will now translate Fisher King's sentences to plain text. Please Wait warmly, it will be an edit of this.

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First of all, the spoiler in the quote below provides a clue to how reading Fisher King is supposed to go.

You read the first, leftmost, word to the right of the "|" divider, then the rightmost word to the left of the divider, then read the words in sequence after that.

Or - look at the divider, go right, switch to left, then right again, then left again, and so on.
dear. interesting|An choice,
4 2 | 1 3
An interesting choice, dear.
distraction, use intend do|How you to this then?
keeping? intention have action promises hot just is|Or this more air, of you no of
How do you intend to use this distraction, then?
Or is this just more hot air, promises of action you have no intention of keeping?

|Tch.
around. feral keeping insist why not still|I do understand you on that beast
Tch.
I still do not understand why you insist on keeping that feral beast around.
 
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We still don't know for sure if what they found in Menagerie is the Process and even if it is, the school arc is still important for Jaune but also the Process devlopment, to make friends, contacts, learn new stuff and have a deeper connection with the people they will protect. And also learn about racism in a school environnement.
After all, it's not over untill it's over. And Salem finding about Process is not automatic game over.
 
Yep. So in short, once again the Ozpinati is gonna be put on the backfoot constantly without any advantages while Salem's faction holds all the cards? Working off of outdated and outright erroneous information and assumptions while Salem and her minions plot circles around them.

Sounds about right




True I suppose.

Salem hasn't won yet afterall. Though how much of that is Ozpin and the rest of mankind's staunch refusal to die out and how much of that is due to Salem's plans is anyone's guess.

Though with Salem knowing the Process exists, or will soon. Plus Ivory's likely lead on Jaune while the Ozpinati believes Salem's none the wiser...well you can see why I'm worried.
The bigger question isn't whether Salem knows the Process exists.

It is whether she understands what it actually is, what it can do, how can it potentially grow, and how it can change the conflict between Man and Grimm.

Edit: and Ninja'd by @Robotninja.
 
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Okay, amusingly enough the people here doomsaying have annoyed me just about as much as the chapter apparently did them, because as far as I can tell you're not actually reading the update.
ANOMALY/IRREGULARITY/ASH HAS SUBSUMED THE VAST MAJORITY OF SMALL ISLAND/LANDMASS/DEAD ROCK WEST OF MENAGERIE. HAS GROWN TO ENCOMPASS A MATHEMATICALLY/LOGICALLY/ARTISTICALLY PERFECT CIRCLE WITH RADIUS OF 100 KILOMETRES.
1) Ash does not come even remotely close to describing the Process.
2) the Process is IIRC literally hundreds of kilometers away from Menagerie. The Process is under Vale, there's two decent chunks of ocean and an archipelago between us and the described location.


Salem does not know the Process exists, she does not know what its capable of, she knows there is some unrelated thing sitting over by Menagerie. After that we get someone with some understandings of Cloudbank, which means that Jaune will sooner or later become a Person of Interest. Big whoop. This was inevitably going to happen the instant he started taking up large scale construction or making lots of money as the head of Cloudbank Solutions, which was a fucking company we were going to run for exactly that purpose.

In the end, out of all the shit that might be going on in this world, Salem knows that At Least Two Things Exist.

There's probably a fuck ton of other things that also exist, that may or may not be friendly to us or Salem, and that Prok can gleefully toss at us as the quest goes on.
 
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