Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

it isn't a question of 'can they summon someone from Earth Bet?', it's a question of 'did anyone on Earth Bet aside from Taylor Hebert achieve so much as to be worth the Throne of Heroes' attention?'

if someone else on Earth Bet has achieved great things such that for generations afterwards people will remember their names, then the answer is probably yes.
but how many people- hero or villain- performed deeds on the level that she did?
One thing I think is worth remembering is that a lot of the characters we see in worm meet the bar to become a heroic spirit, simply because worm spends a lot of time focusing on the big, world ending stuff. What we see is also likely to be focused on more in the public conscious, with things like the behemoth video causing a lot of people who otherwise would have not made the cut getting into the throne simple because they were a part of something the vast majority of humans on at least two earths saw and likely passed down.

I kinda want next time for Taylor use clearly marked fuel can, and then make her iconic "Invertebrates with burning matches" trick. (Can contains water, of course, i doubt burned alive is a thing the wants to do even in simulator. But tell twins treat as actual fuel)
While I don't know if Taylor would actually mention it, their biggest mistake was actually doing the reverse and trying to burn down the building. While not something that should normally be done, given the stakes they are under their best option was to at least attempt to destroy the caster's lair instead of waltzing in.


The whole chapter kind of reminded me that for all that berserker would likely be her best class as a servant, Taylor fights like a magus and hilariously enough actually meets the conditions to be summoned as a grand caster.
 
Vikare is likely on the throne, just because of how he influenced the global perception of capes. Same with Siberian and Hero. Slash and grey boy are possibilities, though the former's much more likely. GM makes everything more awkward, due to the loss of culture. I agree with Dragon, as the greatest tinker, and the architect of the birdcage.

Contessa's for sure an assassin though.
 
A thought occurred to me that considering how old Taylor is now vs her age during the height of her career as Skitter, isn't she kind of going back to her chuunibyo phase during this training simulator? I'm not really sure which possibility is funnier, whether she's internally cringing over every single thing she says and can't dismiss the idea that she has an audience of Heroic Spirits, or if she's genuinely getting into it.
 
For the whole 'Can anyone else from Earth Bet be summoned is a big question. One that, baring it actually happening or some mighty WoG, will likely remain unanswered.

That said, it is also worth noting a few smaller things. Such as a reminder that there are plenty of Heroic Spirits that are (likely) on the Throne because they played a major role in someone else's legend. After all, unless you actually looked into Arthurian myths, who can actually remember anyone other then Arthur, Lancelot, Merlin and Mordred?

Alexandria, Armsmaster and Lisa are the first three that come to mind, but there's a good chance for there to be others
 
or if she's genuinely getting into it.
My understanding is, is that she acts part of the Caster, and in her experience many Heroic Spirits tend to ham it up a bit. So she plays part of hammy villain, and it in itself part of threating twins with soft gloves. With full-warlord mode they would literally would not know what hit them.
 
A thought occurred to me that considering how old Taylor is now vs her age during the height of her career as Skitter, isn't she kind of going back to her chuunibyo phase during this training simulator? I'm not really sure which possibility is funnier, whether she's internally cringing over every single thing she says and can't dismiss the idea that she has an audience of Heroic Spirits, or if she's genuinely getting into it.
No, she's having fun being a complete and total ham. If she was regressing back into her chuuni phase there'd be a lot more trauma and it would be of a much higher quality (first person seats to maggots eating your own eyes, anybody?), and can you really call it a chuuni phase when you legit are the things you claim and it's a job instead of a hobby?
 
I'm not really sure which possibility is funnier, whether she's internally cringing over every single thing she says and can't dismiss the idea that she has an audience of Heroic Spirits, or if she's genuinely getting into it.
I'm of the opinion that she is actually enjoying all the theatric. Like stated above, she's likely hamming it up and probably just doing things that she normally wouldn't do for a change. I don't know how far ahead she actually thought about things, but during all of this she is also giving ideas to the Servants to what she is capable of to help diversify their strategies.

It probably won't help her with Mash or Bardy, but the others may be rubbing their chins as ideas start forming if they don't already have those from the usual trainings.
 
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It could be that Taylor only had the potential to be summoned by that dimension because she was moved there. That'd make a lot of sense; the figure has to have some basis in a world's legend to be summonable in that world, even if the basis is fictional, or not as noteworthy as the actual legend that's getting drawn upon.

This still lets Contessa be an assassin though.
 
It could be that Taylor only had the potential to be summoned by that dimension because she was moved there. That'd make a lot of sense; the figure has to have some basis in a world's legend to be summonable in that world, even if the basis is fictional, or not as noteworthy as the actual legend that's getting drawn upon.

This still lets Contessa be an assassin though.
It could also be something like the whole Lostbelt/Event Servants thing where because Taylor had met them SHE could summon them but not the twins. And they haven't shown up because they really don't want Taylor to be their Master. Even her friends, like imagine how awkward the conversation with Servant Lisa would be from Lisa's side.
 
Mmm
Could Contessa maybe be a Pretender?
All her actions, all her abilities, all her skills are false
In the end she is just a little girl that never grows wrapped in her own lies
 
It could be that Taylor only had the potential to be summoned by that dimension because she was moved there. That'd make a lot of sense; the figure has to have some basis in a world's legend to be summonable in that world, even if the basis is fictional, or not as noteworthy as the actual legend that's getting drawn upon.

This still lets Contessa be an assassin though.
I mean, servants have been summoned to worlds where there's no equivalent story or history with them. Like all the servants summoned into lostbelts, and even outside that, the whole thing with EMIYA who has no myth and such, trying to kill his past self but always ending up in the wrong timeline.
Mmm
Could Contessa maybe be a Pretender?
All her actions, all her abilities, all her skills are false
In the end she is just a little girl that never grows wrapped in her own lies
I'd actually argue contessa specifically isn't valid for that, but most capes would be, cause like, to be a pretender, ya gotta wear a false identity, and what are most cape identities if not false identities. fortuna never had the opportunity to be anything but contessa until ward.
 
Well I don't think clairvoyance alone counts. Gil has it, but he didn't count, so there is likely a requirement based on actually being skilled enough at magecraft/magic.

Edit. At least unless I am remembering incorrectly.

Clairvoyance is the sole deciding factor for Grand Caster, specifically it's required at being Rank EX which generally means the person can see all of Earth in at least one section of time. Solomon could see both the future and the past and is the first Grand Caster. Gilgamesh actually does qualify since he also has Clairvoyance EX, and can see the future, but not the past. The only other character who qualifies that we know of is Merlin who can only see the present, meaning he can see into Chaldea since they're the only thing not destroyed outside Avalon at the moment and he can see into the Singularities because of Chaldeas (the object/tool). He does pick up the mantle after Solomon, which I think is addressed in the Materials since I can't remember where it was brought up in game specifically at the moment.

Taylor doesn't qualify for Grand Caster, not even close. Even as Khepri I don't think she could qualify. She just doesn't have the range necessary, and as Khepri while she could control Clairvoyant (the Cape) she wasn't actually capable of seeing everywhere herself like Merlin can. She probably qualifies for the skill of Clairvoyance under the systems of the Throne of Heroes and the Mooncell but she'd be at something like Rank D, max and that's probably a vast overstatement of its valuation.
 
She probably qualifies for the skill of Clairvoyance under the systems of the Throne of Heroes and the Mooncell but she'd be at something like Rank D, max and that's probably a vast overstatement of its valuation.
On the other hand when paired with the Eye of the Mind (True) and Battle Continuation ( both of which she probably would have) she will be someone you really don't want to get into melee against inspite of being a Caster or Assassin, even if you are a Servant.
 
I don't see how that makes a difference given that as a heroic spirit the clairvoyants power would effectively be integrated into her.
If as Khepri Doormaker and Clairvoyant's powers are integrated I think she could meet the half the requirement for Grand Caster because with those two she can see everywhere and anywhere at the present, but the other half of being a Grand Caster is in the name, Caster, and Khepri ain't no Caster. Berserker, Foreigner, Ruler, and maybe Rider if you squint at it really hard, but her Caster/Assassin days were pretty clearly back in her Skitter/Weaver days, and she didn't have Doormaker and Clairvoyant's powers at her disposal back then.
Tldr Caster Taylor doesn't meet the Grand requirement, and the Taylor that does doesn't meet the Caster requirement.
 
If as Khepri Doormaker and Clairvoyant's powers are integrated I think she could meet the half the requirement for Grand Caster because with those two she can see everywhere and anywhere at the present, but the other half of being a Grand Caster is in the name, Caster, and Khepri ain't no Caster. Berserker, Foreigner, Ruler, and maybe Rider if you squint at it really hard, but her Caster/Assassin days were pretty clearly back in her Skitter/Weaver days, and she didn't have Doormaker and Clairvoyant's powers at her disposal back then.
Tldr Caster Taylor doesn't meet the Grand requirement, and the Taylor that does doesn't meet the Caster requirement.

So Kheperi could be Great Berserker?

I mean with all the parahumans in control of her, even if we don't know what Grand Berserker's conditions are, surely she meets them and I really can't think of many greater examples of "insanity" than joining a human mind with a alien biocomputer thousands of years old.
 
I am of the opinion that Taylor won't really qualify for anything Grand. Part of being a Grand is that you can no-sell one of the Beasts of Gaia, either by making them beatable or just straight up Nope them. As of now though i think it's mostly just ways to make a Beast beatable.

I just can't think of anything Taylor could do against the ones we know so far anyway.
 
I am of the opinion that Taylor won't really qualify for anything Grand. Part of being a Grand is that you can no-sell one of the Beasts of Gaia, either by making them beatable or just straight up Nope them. As of now though i think it's mostly just ways to make a Beast beatable.

I just can't think of anything Taylor could do against the ones we know so far anyway.

Taylor as a human no.
But the heroic spirit, Kheperi, has literally thousands of heroic spirits in his service, and she has anti-Entity weapons.

If he comes down to it, he can destroy the continent he's on, that surely kills a beast.
 
The problem with that is that Kephri is a Beast Candidate
So being too a Grand sound counterproductive
Merlin is Grand Caster in FGO and also similar enough to a beast or beast candidate with his materials saying "Normally he would be an identical being with the Beasts, an adolescent life form of higher order certified as an enemy of humanity". So I don't see why its not possible for Taylor. Like Kiara in the fgo timeline before she was corrupted by a beast version of herself from a different timeline had the possibility of becoming an actual saver class servant so I don't see what's stopping Taylor Herbert slayer of essentially an Alien God from being summoned as a grand servant while also being able to be summoned as Khepri the beast of....whatever her sin would be.
 
The problem with that is that while true
Merlin never did go over that edge so while he have the potential is not the same that summoning Kephri who is basically over the edge to go

Is like the Alter Ego Kiara who basically can go Beast or Kama
Counterproductive
 
The problem with that is that while true
Merlin never did go over that edge so while he have the potential is not the same that summoning Kephri who is basically over the edge to go

Is like the Alter Ego Kiara who basically can go Beast or Kama
Counterproductive
Like the whole purpose of grand servants is for them to be able to fight beasts and not straight up get murdered by them. Beasts like The Alien God in FGO would most likely be fucked over if Taylor was summoned as a Grand Servant what with her whole murdering Scion, who was an alien entity that was basically a god. Also how is it counterproductive, Taylor only has candidacy for being a potential beast and isn't an actual beast you know.
 
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I am of the opinion that Taylor won't really qualify for anything Grand. Part of being a Grand is that you can no-sell one of the Beasts of Gaia
What? That's not a requirement at all. The Grands exist to fight the Beasts, and Beasts are those who embody an Evil of Man. They come from Humanity to oppose Humanity. Tiamat and Primate Murder could be said to be Beasts of Gaia, but they are still empowered by Humanity, Goetia is a product of Solomon, Kama is a Divine Spirit, Kiara is literally a human, and the Alien God is an alien that Humanity caught the eye of and it kinda commandeered the Title of Beast VII instead of legit being a proper Beast IIRC.
And it takes all 7 to just match a fully realized Primate Murder.
Grand Servants are just Humanity's big guns for the big threats.
 
Mmm
Could Contessa maybe be a Pretender?
All her actions, all her abilities, all her skills are false
In the end she is just a little girl that never grows wrapped in her own lies
All of the following is in canon, either as demonstrated feats, or as things we hear from other characters about her:
Contessa is known as 'The Boogeyman'.

You don't try to fight her, and running is pointless. Hiding is pointless. If you're her target, nothing can save you.

She's good enough at hiding to escape the gaze of planetary trans-dimensional clairvoyance with a search engine (Teacher's bargaining chip for being let out of the cage. Scanner and Screen, remember?) that was specifically trying to find her.

She orchestrated the assassination of a god with a random knife when she was a kid. No, that wasn't her power, she was the one in control when it mattered.

Forget qualifying, there's an argument for Contessa usurping Hassan's special rights and becoming Grand Assassin.

I'd also take assassin with a ridiculous damage mod against Threats to Humanity on the NP. Or a foreigner, because it's harder to get closer to overcoming an Eldritch entity than killing one.
 
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