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Yet she gets robbed of being in the Throne because the multiverse decided she is now a Beast despite being the most easy to kill beast ever and being as frail as a regular human.
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Yet she gets robbed of being in the Throne because the multiverse decided she is now a Beast despite being the most easy to kill beast ever and being as frail as a regular human.
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Where did that come from? The whole "Beast disqualifies you as a Heroic Spirit"? Because I can assure you that no, it doesn't. Nasu has been very odd about what disqualifies a person from becoming a Heroic Spirit, allowing and disallowing at seemingly random to the point where it's much easier to wave it as "what's best for today's plot", but being confirmed Beast candidates certainly have not eliminated Nero and Tamamo. If you include suspected Beast candidates like Merlin, as well the odd ones like Ereshkigal's Beast coming from her Space version, the list only gets longer and longer.
And Taylor is very explicitly going to end up on the Throne the main things is she is still living and said Legend is still being Written pretty much given she still Lives and is still involved in shennangans
MetaChthonia
Disco Inferno: ⌈I Learn Through Suffering⌋
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Counterpoint:
Fate Strange Fake.
One of the Masters literally Summoned himself... Herself... Themself As in the sole Reason for joining that Grail War? To Summon themselves. That was also her Servant version's Wish. After that they pretty much lived in a blimp for the rest of it.
Better yet:
Fking EMIYA. Time means nothing to the Ring of Deterrence including Culled Timelines. Try and use "but he's a Counter Guardian" just do it. The only consistent rule is "it's a game" even when it's an Anime/Manga/Novel. Different Servants can be derived from the same person.
Assuming the Throne gives a sh!te about Taylor still being alive it just means popping up with the Perceived version of her and not the real her, what others thought she was like. Meaning Khepri will be a Voldemort style monster (luckily they'll only be able to encounter her via Summoning). Only way to track how she'll act is by what Class she gets slotted into.
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Raiseth
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Public perception of the person who served as the basis for Heroic Spirit does affect the resulting Servant, but it's not ironclad.
Or else Artoria wouldn't be such a failgirl, Nero would be balls to the walls insane, Siegfried wouldn't have his weird imposter syndrome, and don't even get me started on Elizabeth Bathory the dragon pop idol or Jeanne Alter Santa Lily.
Like any other rule in Nasuverse, it's more of a polite suggestion.
Edit: not to say I disagree with anyone, just my daily prescribed dose of Fate salt.
Or else Artoria wouldn't be such a failgirl, Nero would be balls to the walls insane, Siegfried wouldn't have his weird imposter syndrome, and don't even get me started on Elizabeth Bathory the dragon pop idol or Jeanne Alter Santa Lily.
Like any other rule in Nasuverse, it's more of a polite suggestion.
Edit: not to say I disagree with anyone, just my daily prescribed dose of Fate salt.
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way i see it, fsn is an event that repeats through multiple timelines, hence multiple variants can appear, but fgo is happening in what is essentially the main timeline, and only there, the demon gods get stopped in other tinelines, usually flauros by way of the guy he's possessing killing himself to stop him before its too late. but yeah, fgo is a humanity defining moment where the existence of a future is uncertain, it's basically the only place where i can say it makes sense that no future version of taylor can get summoned, and thats purely cause she's directly involved while alive, times fucked up here and the existence of a future taylor would neccesitate them winning here, when goetia has basically done what he can to make their victory uncertain. it would also explain why there's no ritsuka/gudako servant summonable, despite that reasonably being a thing that should exist, the events are still being written and a loss would mean everything is lost.
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huh, didn't think that was canon
Is Beast Nero actually Nero? I thought she was a different entity (not the Worm kind) effectively possessing/overwriting Nero that gets the old Uno Reverse Card from our chosen Guda to bring Nero back into the driver's seat of Draco's mind.
And on that note Stage 3 playable Draco is my favorite Nero because she looks nothing like the OG Saber. Don't get me wrong I'm a hopeless Saber fanboy, but Fate did Nero a disservice by making her a carbon copy with a bigger chest and panties-window.
It is a horror setting. Dead people with vastly different moralities coming back to a semblance of life, superhumans with institutionally warped moralities trying to make the world their own, and the people broken by their machinations. Of course it's horror.
Hafta grow quickly when your world is a shitsack. Don't ever want a goddamn shitsack to live in. It fucking sucks living in a fucking shitsack.
It's the thought that counts. Not that Taylor would buy it, then or now.
Also, Rika, did you inhale the entirety of American comics when you were younger?
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To be fair, in the case of Fucking Prelati, he (the historical figure) did die according to history. But he was later then reincarnated multiple times, and the current incarnation, a Prelati (female) was the one that summoned her historical self.
She is Nero, but pretty much as the Christians recorded her - that is, as the Whore of Babylon, the Mother Harlot, she who rides with ten horns and a crown, etc. You can say that she's an Alter of the original Nero Claudius Augustus, except in a far greater scale since she's in a Beast container. One could say she codifies it, since the description of the Class is essentially the entry of Revelations that is about her.
As for the rest of the confirmed Beasts, Tamamo is an offshoot of Amaterasu, but she was also recorded as Daji, the Nine Tailed Fox who destroyed empires. It is her, but also not her the same way she is not any of her individual tails. Kama is also a summonable Servant, but in the right circumstances she can become Kama/Mara, a Beast class. All in all, there is proof that being a Beast candidate does not exclude you from becoming a Heroic Spirit.
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Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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In Nasuverse she's a possibility of Nero not accepting her defeat and killing herself. She's not literally Whore of Babylon or Beast of Revelation, she just styles herself as one because she finds it amusing to play into the role ascribed to her by Christians… or at least that's what she thinks, but she's apparently close enough to fill the slot.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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IIRC, the version of Tamamo that's a Beast isn't actually Tamamo at all. It's Koyanskaya, who looks like Tamamo but is actually a nature spirit formed by the Tunguska event.
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Damn, contending with Tamamo faces now too
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Daji was a former Beast that was taken down sometime ago, and it was indeed confirmed in the Tunguska event. It's even a plot point that it was due to this fact that Koyanskaya was mistaken to be Daji instead of being properly identified as who she was early on, causing the Grand Servant who was summoned to defeat her to make multiple mistakes while working under the assumption that she was Daji.
Koyanskaya is indeed a separate character to Tamamo who just used her Saint Graph as a basis for her own, hence why I only brought up Daji in my original post.
Raiseth
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I'm just incredibly baffled by Amaterasu in Nasuverse. Imagine casting the chief deity of your own country's pantheon as some Satanic archetype from a neighbouring nation.
Literally nothing in original Shintoist mythology suggests it, and I just can't understand why. The only reason I can vaguely think of is a stealth dig at the imperial family.
Literally nothing in original Shintoist mythology suggests it, and I just can't understand why. The only reason I can vaguely think of is a stealth dig at the imperial family.
MWKillKenny84
Lurking from the Trauma Switch.
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Point of order, Evil of Man does not necessarily translate in Evil for the Sake Of Being Evil (Kiara the Tothnun/"therapist with a space after the 'the'" is the exception, not the rule), all the disasters the BEASTs cause are done out of a warped desire to HALP Mankind (up and including the Foreign World).
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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Generally true, but Daji from Chinese myths is an agent of the Celestial Order who was tasked with destroying the current dynasty so that a worthier one would take their place… who enjoyed her job so much she decided to prolong the collapse, in FGO explicitly committing every atrocity under the sun and coming up with a couple new ones.
Her historical counterpart was said to like torture and invented a new execution method of toasting people alive. Yes, toasting.
In FGO Daji holds the title of the Beast of Collapse which is theorized to fill the fourth slot, the difference between her and Primate Murder being that he represents an end of humanity by getting supplanted in a food chain by a new apex predator, and she represents death of nations and civilisation as a whole.
While Tiamat and Goetia feel a form of twisted love towards humanity centred on protecting and improving them towards their personal ideal, Daji loves humans because she enjoys their suffering.
Edit: again, the only interpretation I can come up with is drawing parallels between Amaterasu as Daji and Imperial Japan in the first half of the twentieth century, which if true is incredibly bold.
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