Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

New hypothesis: using Mash's shield in the field hooks you up to the FP gacha :V

Cons: these are lower rarity servants in a gacha game with consumately lower stats
Pros: this is a story, not a gacha game. And even if we ignore that point the FP servants are REALLY GOOD

Also, @James D. Fawkes not sure if I should give you shit or praise for resisting the temptation to meme it up by having Taylor summon Sasaki Kojiro, dragonslayer :V Oh, and while I'm thinking about it I'm glad you handled Taylor's returned powers by having her bugs splatter against the metaphorical windshield of low tier wyverns, although I think that having her get her powers back so soon after you'd made a big deal that she didn't have them any more completely sucked out any potential for emotional payoff.
 
"Do you have dragon-slaying in your myth?" I asked pointedly.

"Afraid not," he told me with a self-deprecating grin. "I'm just an ordinary archer. Nothing special."

"Then yes. I got you, instead of one of the two I was actually trying to get."
Oi
Romani sighed and deflated.

"Well, this didn't go anything like how it was supposed to."

Arash took it in stride. "Sorry to disappoint."
The hell!? I mean yeah sure he isn't a dragon slaying monster killer but I mean come on its freaking Arash! The guy is the gold standard of a hero and is a complete badass.

I swear Arash is going to be such a badass that they'll all be embarrassed about their disrespect!
"Yay, more walking," Rika muttered miserably.

"Well, it's not like they had cars in the 1400s, Rika," her brother hissed back at her, but he didn't look any happier at the news.
Ah how cute. They have no idea the hell the next several years is going to be for their legs.

On the plus side their going to look fantastic
 
Between Orleans, Septem and the eventual nightmare that is North America, no-one will be able to accuse any of these three of ever skipping Leg Day. :p
If Arash becomes a Chaldea regular he'll be going to every Singularity once they find out about Arash Airlines (and develop an effective landing strategy).
 
Hang on, can't Taylor just summon Arash again after his suicide attacks? There is nothing stopping that from happening longer they get out of battle and into a Leyline .

It even fits with Taylor better, uncaring of the grind, the repeated efforts to self sacrifice all for victory, only to get back up again, and again, and again, sacrificing it all each and every time.
 
As this chapter brought up self summoned/masterless Servants i wonder who is going to end up as their masters in this story? Seeing as we have 3 potentials rather then just the one protagonist in the game. Though i feel bad for (and somewhat amused at) whoever gets stuck with
the yandere Kiyohime.
 
Considering Seigfried is indeed there, Arash isn't far off. Honestly though, the biggest advantage Arash offers is sheer ranged offense. With his high Clairvoyance rank he can see things coming waaaay earlier than the rest, and also do something about them with his excellent bow skills. His endurance is also top-tier, letting him last pretty long.

Ignore FGO ratings, that's just a gameplay mechanic with as much lore relevance as class triangles: jack shit. Unless you feel like explaining why Heracles is a 4* while Irish Heracles is a 3*.

At any rate, I'm disappointed they won't be traveling the Arash airlines here. 60 hours? More like 60 seconds with the quickest airline in the world! :tongue:
I can't recall any mention of supplies being Rayshifted out to you when you're in a Singularity, and there's a lot of hunting for supplies that goes on.
There are mentions of contacting Chaldea for supplies in the story. Bringing stuff from singularities is a more muddy topic, but I believe an interlude/event stated that Da Vinci created a bag you can put stuff in and it'll carry over from singularities.

Can't remember which one it was though…
 
all this talk of Arash Airlines reminds me of that one scene from RWBY

only unlike the beacon students(minus Jaune), Taylor, the twins, and Mash have no landing strategy beyond "activate Mash's NP and try and all land on her in hopes she'll somehow absorb all the damage", and they're unlikely to actually come up with that as a viable landing strategy until they're already on Arash Airlines

Remember, it's not the flight that kills you, it's the sudden and most definite stop at the end.
 
All this talk about the similarities between Taylor and Arash makes me wanna see a fix where she becomes a demi-servant of him. It would definitely end in tears though.
 
The Perils of Leadership — by Formerly
As this chapter brought up self summoned/masterless Servants i wonder who is going to end up as their masters in this story? Seeing as we have 3 potentials rather then just the one protagonist in the game. Though i feel bad for (and somewhat amused at) whoever gets stuck with
the yandere Kiyohime.
Taylor would put that situation down immediately if it was her, I don't think Rika as presented in this story would be at all comfortable will her affections and then Taylor would get involved, it would probably be Ritsuka that would be her chosen love interest.

Kiyohime: "And Master... If you ever leave me or I catch you being unfaithful-" *fire*
Rika: "Oh hell no. Listen here you crazy broad. You don't get to appoint yourself his wife and control his life just because he summoned you!"
Kiyohime: "A love rival already? I won't allow it!"
Rika: "Love rival? Not in a million years! He's not your Anchin reborn! He's my brother, and it's my sacred duty as the twin sister to protect him from crazy women like you!"
Ritsuka: 'Huh, I never knew Rika felt that way about me.'
Rika: "Even if I have to beat him unconscious and lock him in a room with a nice girl like Mash until they decide to get hitched I'll do it!"
Ritsuka: 'Nevermind.'
Mash: "Senpai!"
Rika: "Hypothetically. She needs to grow a bit more self confidence before I'd be confident handing my brother off to her."
Kiyohime: *Deathglares Mash and Rika*
Da Vinci: "Aren't you going to do something, Acting Director?"
Romani: "My Doctorate is in medicine, I initially majored in biology, and my minor was in anthropological studies. I am not in the least bit qualified to touch this mess with a ten foot pole."
Da Vinci: "But you're still in charge."
Romani: "Excellent point, and it is the mark of a great leader to know how and when to delegate. Luckily I have an acclaimed genius on staff I can hand this off to. What do you think, Da Vinci?"
Da Vinci: "Polygamy?"
Romani: "TAYLOR!!! I NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE!!!"
 
A thought occurs to me, but thinking further today I've come to the conclusion that Arash being summoned makes absolutely no sense, so there must be something strange going on. If the blood worked as a catalyst it would have summoned either a Dragon Slayer like Siegfried, Sigurd, Martha, George, Nezha, Raikou, or Chiyome; or it would have summoned a Servant who has the Dragon Attribute like Artoria, Mordred, Shuten, Sieg, Elizabeth, or Kiyohime. Any of those should have been summoned, and because they are using the FATE system of Chaldea one being in the area or Singularity doesn't matter. Regardless Arash is so far down the list of potential Dragon related Servants that he shouldn't be showing up using Wyvern Blood as a catalyst even if you wanted to inaccurately use the rule of them being already "summoned" disqualifying certain Servants.

And then there's the compatibility Servant Summoning, in which case the Self Sacrificing portion of Taylor should be at best a mid-level consideration. Even if you do place it as the highest trait then there are better Servants that better exemplify that portion of her history, for example Artoria who discarded her entire identity as a woman to become a King, or Jeanne who by dying stopped a war that was going on for decades. But again that Self Sacrificing part wouldn't be the part of this Taylor which would be the main connection point a Servant would be compatible with, even if it's a factor.

I've said before that Tamamo is by far the singularly most compatible Servant for a Post GM Taylor. But I'll reiterate the reasons why Tamamo is just that.

First in priority of compatibility traits would be the absolute rejection of power, a trait that both have demonstrated. Taylor by letting Contessa shoot her while being Khepri and Tamamo for not becoming a truly horrendous monster, letting herself die after fleeing from the Imperial Court, and never going past a certain point in power to avoid becoming too strong and falling into the temptation to become that monster. The Tamamo Nine are just further vindicaction of this, even if she'd do it to save one of her beloved she would immediately give up that power. That's the reason why the other 8 even exist, she discarded the power once she used it to accomplish her goal of saving Hakuno and it took on a life of its own, literally.

Second would be the vilification of their public reputation to the point that they are looked at as the single most evil being of all time and are responsible for more deaths than anyone else combined. Taylor as Khepri is blamed for every single parahuman and human casualty that died in the last part of Gold Morning, and it isn't really fully her fault. Her reputation is utter shit afterwards, and she is at least partially blamed for the death of Billions. This is pretty much the exact same thing that Tamamo in the Nasuverse dealt with after her death. Abe-no-Seimei absolutely trashed her reputation and made her to be the singularly most evil being to have ever lived despite never actually killing anyone. The only reason that Tamamo doesn't have the Innocent Monster skill is because she owns up to her extremely bad reputation despite it not actually being true. So that's another thing they have in common.

Third is the desire for love. Taylor at the very deepest heart of who she is just desperately wants to be loved. It's such a blatant thing that gets overshadowed by everything that happens to and around Taylor, but in the end she's just a very lonely girl who desperately wanted to be loved by anyone despite not knowing how to get it. The only reason Tamamo is even a thing is because she's an aspect of Amaterasu who wanted to understand Humanity and therefore detached a portion of her being to be reborn as a human. At the core of Tamamo is her desire to find and be with someone that can be her beloved spouse. It's why she's only ever summoned by people she could fall in love with, and Twice is the only example of a person who utterly failed to live up to that potential.

Finally is the self sacrifice part, but again that touches upon the first aspect of compatibility which is why I've got it so far down this list. Taylor gave up everything, starting with her innocence and childhood once she Triggered in the Locker all the way to her giving up her mind to defeat Scion and then giving up her power to avoid becoming another Entity. It's definitely a part of her there's no question about that, but I believe the reasons why matter more than the act itself. Tamamo gave up her divinity, and her identity to become a Human to understand love. When she was forced to flee she gave up her life instead of retaliating because she didn't want to be a monster. So the parallel's between Taylor and Tamamo are incredibly high which should have very much disqualified Arash once again.

Feel free to confirm or deny @James D. Fawkes, but I sincerely hope that Arash isn't Taylor's permanent Servant and this is once again something weird occurring and messing up Taylor's attempts to summon her most compatible Servant, because him being summoned is beyond strange.
 
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A thought occurs to me, but thinking further today I've come to the conclusion that Arash being summoned makes absolutely no sense, so there must be something strange going on. If the blood worked as a catalyst it would have summoned either a Dragon Slayer like Siegfried, Sigurd, Martha, George, Nezha, Raikou, or Chiyome; or it would have summoned a Servant who has the Dragon Attribute like Artoria, Mordred, Shuten, Sieg, Elizabeth, or Kiyohime. Any of those should have been summoned, and because they are using the FATE system of Chaldea one being in the area or Singularity doesn't matter. Regardless Arash is so far down the list of potential Dragon related Servants that he shouldn't be showing up using Wyvern Blood as a catalyst even if you wanted to inaccurately use the rule of them being already "summoned" disqualifying certain Servants.

And then there's the compatibility Servant Summoning, in which case the Self Sacrificing portion of Taylor should be at best a mid-level consideration. Even if you do place it as the highest trait then there are better Servants that better exemplify that portion of her history, for example Artoria who discarded her entire identity as a woman to become a King, or Jeanne who by dying stopped a war that was going on for decades. But again that Self Sacrificing part wouldn't be the part of this Taylor which would be the main connection point a Servant would be compatible with, even if it's a factor.

I've said before that Tamamo is by far the singularly most compatible Servant for a Post GM Taylor. But I'll reiterate the reasons why Tamamo is just that.

First in priority of compatibility traits would be the absolute rejection of power, a trait that both have demonstrated. Taylor by letting Contessa shoot her while being Khepri and Tamamo for not becoming a truly horrendous monster, letting herself die after fleeing from the Imperial Court, and never going past a certain point in power to avoid becoming too strong and falling into the temptation to become that monster. The Tamamo Nine are just further vindicaction of this, even if she'd do it to save one of her beloved she would immediately give up that power. That's the reason why the other 8 even exist, she discarded the power once she used it to accomplish her goal of saving Hakuno and it took on a life of its own, literally.

Second would be the vilification of their public reputation to the point that they are looked at as the single most evil being of all time and are responsible for more deaths than anyone else combined. Taylor as Khepri is blamed for every single parahuman and human casualty that died in the last part of Gold Morning, and it isn't really fully her fault. Her reputation is utter shit afterwards, and she is at least partially blamed for the death of Billions. This is pretty much the exact same thing that Tamamo in the Nasuverse dealt with after her death. Abe-no-Seimei absolutely trashed her reputation and made her to be the singularly most evil being to have ever lived despite never actually killing anyone. The only reason that Tamamo doesn't have the Innocent Monster skill is because she owns up to her extremely bad reputation despite it not actually being true. So that's another thing they have in common.

Third is the desire for love. Taylor at the very deepest heart of who she is just desperately wants to be loved. It's such a blatant thing that gets overshadowed by everything that happens to and around Taylor, but in the end she's just a very lonely girl who desperately wanted to be loved by anyone despite not knowing how to get it. The only reason Tamamo is even a thing is because she's an aspect of Amaterasu who wanted to understand Humanity and therefore detached a portion of her being to be reborn as a human. At the core of Tamamo is her desire to find and be with someone that can be her beloved spouse. It's why she's only ever summoned by people she could fall in love with, and Twice is the only example of a person who utterly failed to live up to that potential.


Finally is the self sacrifice part, but again that touches upon the first aspect of compatibility which is why I've got it so far down this list. Taylor gave up everything, starting with her innocence and childhood once she Triggered in the Locker all the way to her giving up her mind to defeat Scion and then giving up her power to avoid becoming another Entity. It's definitely a part of her there's no question about that, but I believe the reasons why matter more than the act itself. Tamamo gave up her divinity, and her identity to become a Human to understand love. When she was forced to flee she gave up her life instead of retaliating because she didn't want to be a monster. So the parallel's between Taylor and Tamamo are incredibly high which should have very much disqualified Arash once again.


Feel free to confirm or deny @James D. Fawkes, but I sincerely hope that Arash isn't Taylor's permanent Servant and this is once again something weird occurring and messing up Taylor's attempts to summon her most compatible Servant, because him being summoned is beyond strange.
To be blunt with you, you seem pretty adamant with pushing your own agenda of Tammno and Talyor be that in a shipping sense or just knowing the extremes they could go to, rather then you know just respecting what the Author chooses to do. Like every time I've seen you post ( far as I'm aware) in this Thread, it is always about how Tammno is a good choice for Talyor, and while I admit it might be interesting to watch I don't think it would really end well, given that Tammy's not the most adjusted person with the whole Husband obsession. As she is fundamentally an inhuman being, granted that doesn't mean she is utterly bad but that means she does not work like a human, nor should you expect them to act as such. Not to mention that I can see her snippy nature being something that reminds her of Emma.

That and even the most tangential of connections can serve as a viable hook for a summon, hence for all we know Arash could be pulling from Talyor's earlier years and actions rather than what she is now. It is really presumptuous to say that a Servent should be summoned, because there are so many factors that determine who could be summoned, and the reason why you use a catalyst of a specific Heroic Spirit or Spirits is to limit who could be summoned. As the blood being spilled could tie into her actions during the conflict, could be the exhilaration of the kill, could be how that action relates to her past, or it might even tie into those with a blood-sucking nature due to it being blood. While the Wyvern may have played a part it is equally questionable that it did at all, given that the narrative indicated they already thought it was a long shot.

Also what you are describing are similar events not exactly character traits/themes/motivations/etc, meaning that while their histories may share some beats the actual content and reasons aren't really the same whatsoever. As Talyor is not fundamentally an inhuman being, at least not without brain modifications and the Shard crossing over, nor is she someone yearning for a love, she is certainly seeking a connection with a social group at one point. This is what I presume, given I haven't read the entire novel of Worm and recall it, the reason why she stayed around with the Undersiders due to wanting that. Though she has a much greater theme of trying to right the wrongs of the world|system via extreme means and how she interacts with the authority of that system.

But truth be told that doesn't necessarily matter as much as you are trying to shove your thoughts of who Taylor should be with and how you are trying to effectively bully (or perhaps overwhelm or undermine might be a better word) the thread to get the Author's response that would either agree with you or not.

Edit: I don't really care that much about Tamamo in particular is being pushed but more so how you went about it and are demanding a response.
 
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Opinions are cool but respect the author's decisions, yes?

I've been reading this for a bit and absolutely love this fic and all of the speculation going on. But I have to agree with The Void here, in that you've been on this Tamamo bit since almost the first chapter. I really like the points you've noticed and brought up as the story progressed but; Taylor got her summon, Arash is an absolute boss, there will obviously be more summons and contracts later and Man Magnificent knows what he's doing.

Not trying to gang up on you or anything, but, let's just accept that if Tamamo appears, it'll be because the author's narrative decided the time was right, not because any of us told them it's what should've happened?

Jumping on the Kiyo bandwagon, does this mean Taylor will end up having to reign her AND Batty in, if the summer events manage to get their own interludes? Or would she be too busy coming to terms with the sudden fluidity of spirit origins to even bother

looking at you, quadruple Jeannes.
 
Actually, it's canon that Kiyo has no problem with her Master having a harem, just so long as she's in it.
It is also canon that she will try to eliminate any rivals. So you have to somehow have a harem with her at the top and secure in her position. If she starts feeling insecure or threatened things will get very hot, and not in the sexy way.
 
Ha the real question though? Is Da Vinci trying to be helpful or create chaos for her own amusement?
Yes.


I'm thinking, if Taylor can snag Kiyohime and Sieg, we might see a recreation of the team from the mission into Earth Cauldron:
Tay herself, a guy who can turn into a dragon, and a crazy girl with some strange ideas regarding the world's hierarchy and her place in it.
 
Why did Taylor get that particular Servant?
Finding a compatibility match for Taylor was hard. Tamamo is certainly a decent enough fit, but pairing them together doesn't have as much room for character growth as I would like. Taylor and Cu definitely got along well in Fuyuki, and they'd pair up very well in terms of methods and means and the lines they refuse to cross, but CasCu doesn't stack well into the later game and Gae Bolg trivializes a whole buttload of early game enemies. Karna has some compatibility, too, but he has much the same problem as Cu.

My original choice was Vlad, to make Taylor take a good, hard look at her darker side, but Essence was all about that and Vlad is really a better suit for Warlord Skitter than post GM Taylor. Too, Lancer Vlad kinda sucks if he's not hunkered down in one place or isn't rocking the vampire lifestyle.

The editing team's original pick was Salter, but Salter also runs into that trouble of Excalibur trivializing a large number of early game enemies, and I didn't have a solid enough grasp on her personality to do her justice as a deuteragonist.

So why Arash? It's true, their outward personalities are polar opposites. Taylor is reticent and serious, whereas Arash is open and cheerful. But that core value, that willingness to sacrifice as much of themselves as necessary to achieve a greater good, it doesn't match up perfectly, either, but it's close enough. Too, Arash is a look in the mirror. He's her and everything she strived to be, and he's an image of what she might have been like if she had managed to do everything right the first time.

Having them play off of each other gives me an angle on her character that the others wouldn't. I understand he isn't everyone's favorite Servant. He's not mine, either. But he's the right character for the right job.

RE: the catalyst — yes, it failed. No, there's no nefarious reason behind it. There's any number of reason why it wouldn't work. Primarily, dragon's blood would target Siegfried first, and he could very well refuse for fear of bringing another Fafnir into the world, or accidentally dragging the Rheingold along. Ironically, Sigurd's connection is much weaker, because he's more attached to the heart. Dragon-blooded heroes are a bit iffier, because this is dragon's blood that has been spilled in battle rather than harvested or what-have-you.

Of course, it could even be that the ritual twigged to the wrong thing and took her jacket as a whole instead of just the blood that was spilled on it. The jacket being a weak catalyst, even stained in the blood of a dragon, Taylor herself would form the backbone of the ritual and you get a compatibility summon instead.

I lie to you guy sometimes to preserve secrets about the future of the story, but there really isn't anything more complicated at play, here.
 
Oh so arash is her main servant? I figured he was gonna be mainly a major part in this and possibly the next singularity, but ultimately not her main servant as he'd eventually use stella and die off.
 
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I disagree somewhat on the caster cu chulainn issue, but that's because I see the FGO game rules as not even remotely fitting narrative rules of the setting. I'd argue that Caster and Assassin class servants are much more relevant than they were in a conventional grail war due to the greater requirements of investigation and fortification. Part of what made casters and assassins so limited in FSN is that they're alone.

Also, in Fate grand order, a lot of effort was expended on investigation, usually performed by caster servant present or Leonardo in chaldea. Granted the protagonists weren't idle either, frequently taking part in unravelling the mysteries of each singularity, which led to many of the fights in canon.

As for Arash, his clairvoyance in arguably his most valuable asset, at least in the matter of saving time.
 
Yeah, it makes perfect sense that the wyvern blood wouldn't call up a dragon-related Servant - wyverns are barely even dragon-ish, by Fate rules, and I don't think a catalyst is a 100% guarantee unless it's a very specifically targeted thing - Gilgamesh's snake skin, Herakles' axe, etc. so to guarantee Siegfried you'd need Fafnir's blood, not just dragon blood. There's also the fact that the summoner is always a catalyst in the summoning, so a stronger response from the summoner than from the separate catalyst can call up something unexpected. Like F/SN Archer being called up by Rin because of their inherent resonance.

I'm also glad that this story is using different Servants to the usual, although I think it's stumbled by using standard Emiya. There are hundreds of Servants to choose from, and most fanfiction uses maybe the same few of the wide selection available. (Tamamo, Emiya, Cu, Gilgamesh, Artoria then often Nero and Medusa mostly.) I know this is a 'hey I know all these characters' thing, but even FGO swerves hard away from the standard set for the most part. Except for the Cu obsession. Seriously, the only character with more variants than Cu is Artoria (and Jeanne, but she's an Artoria variant, so it still counts), and she's literally the face of the brand.

I don't agree with the reasoning that any particular Servant would be 'too powerful', though. The threats are always relevant to the Servants from an in-universe standpoint, no matter how powerful the servant is on a mechanical level. Like, realistically Jeanne Alter should be basically unbeatable in France; she's a local hero, so she gets massively empowered. She's an old hero, by the standards of France, so she gets lots of power from that. She's a famous hero, so she gets lots of power from that. The only older French heroes in Fate are the Paladins and Charlemagne, and the Paladins are less famous than her and Charlie is Sir Not Appearing In FGO. They also aren't that much older than her. If you can't swing that into a meaningful threat to even top-tier Servants then you're going to have trouble challenging your Servants with any of the threats.
 
I actually want him to stay, with the two bonding and her actively doing what she can to stop him from using Stella during tough times including using command seals. I feel like the two will gel very well together for a while and whatever event that will force Arash to use Stella will be end in tears and a very very angry Taylor. I equally anticipate and fear that event.
 
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RE: the catalyst — yes, it failed. No, there's no nefarious reason behind it. There's any number of reason why it wouldn't work. Primarily, dragon's blood would target Siegfried first, and he could very well refuse for fear of bringing another Fafnir into the world, or accidentally dragging the Rheingold along. Ironically, Sigurd's connection is much weaker, because he's more attached to the heart. Dragon-blooded heroes are a bit iffier, because this is dragon's blood that has been spilled in battle rather than harvested or what-have-you.

There's also the fact that Siegfried is already present in the First Singularity. Can't exactly summon him if he's already there.
 
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