Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

What IF it's not QA that is allowing Taylor to control bugs but it's her Heroic self from the Throne lending that aspect of her Legend to her living self.
Yeah, that's been a pretty prevalent theory ever since Taylor's 'failure' of a first summoning. Made even more likely by how she was affected by the 'Servant parameters are weakened' aspect of the recent sidestory updates, too.
 
While I'm supremely disappointed that Aife lived, Lancelot being around does explain why. I'm hopeful that we'll see Aife relegated to just being an option in the Twin's potential Servant Shade pool. The Nero surprise was handled decently. And shes definitely going to show up. Fun chapter as always. Now it's time for Olga-Marie to show back up.
Aife has had her feature. She's not going away completely, and I do have "Resolution of the Final Regret" slated for...soonish, shall we say, but Septem was her debut and her shining moment. I won't commit to saying "she's just going to be in the background from here on out," but I am committed to letting the native Servants in each Singularity get the focus in each one.

What Aife is a sign of is another commitment from me to expand and swap around the roster in each Singularity. There are some I have my eye on for Okeanos, but I'll have to wait and see if we get enough details from some new faces before they get to shine. I'm hoping that there's enough to work with by the time they're scheduled to show up in the next Singularity.
 
Heartwarming, I forgot how bittersweet the ends of these singularities could be.

Nero is just amazing at ending up in your heart.
 
Aife has had her feature. She's not going away completely, and I do have "Resolution of the Final Regret" slated for...soonish, shall we say, but Septem was her debut and her shining moment. I won't commit to saying "she's just going to be in the background from here on out," but I am committed to letting the native Servants in each Singularity get the focus in each one.

What Aife is a sign of is another commitment from me to expand and swap around the roster in each Singularity. There are some I have my eye on for Okeanos, but I'll have to wait and see if we get enough details from some new faces before they get to shine. I'm hoping that there's enough to work with by the time they're scheduled to show up in the next Singularity.
Honestly I still can't wait for the moment Aife leaves the spotlight. She's such a Mary Sue that she managed to outshine Nero, another famous Mary Sue, in her own arc. And if Aife gets this much, then god forbid Scathach once she comes along.
 
I'd say that was a very solid ending to the singularity, all things considered! All the servants made important contributions, Taylor was able to be a valuable participant, Altera and Nero's outgoing lines were heartwarming, Taylor has more clues about where her power probably came from, and the interactions were good all around.

(I can't help but hope Taylor will get boosted enough to take part in a fight at some point, just for catharsis reasons. But that's for another time.)
 
"Then, as a famous emperor, my glorious self will one day be carried off to this Throne of Heroes, won't it?"

"Best Buddy?" Rika asked uncertainly.

"It stands to reason," Da Vinci hedged. "At the very least, if someone like Caligula made it there, then you should have, too, yes."

"And when they return to the Throne of Heroes," Nero went on, "the memories of their adventures and the friends they made return with them, do they not?"

"They were always there, Boudica said," Ritsuka agreed. "Um, right, Da Vinci?"

"It's higher dimensional science that those bound to linear time can't properly understand," said Da Vinci. "But the simple answer is yes."

Nero lifted her sword. "I…was not sure whence this sword appeared," she told us. "I thought, perhaps, it was a gift from the gods. A blessing to aid me in my fight against the United Empire. Mm. It seemed only fitting!"

She laid the blade across her hands, looking down at it. "I think now… This must be my own Heroic Spirit, aiding me in my time of need."

My brow furrowed. I turned to Da Vinci. "Is that…possible?"

"It's…not impossible," Da Vinci hedged. "Heroic Spirits can be summoned into a time period technically before their own legend occurs. Tiberius, for example, or either Constantine. It may be that the summoning didn't happen properly because Nero is already alive, so whatever fraction of her Saint Graph made it there instead found Nero as a host."

That… Could summonings fail like that? I was under the impression that they either worked or didn't work. Some Servants had unique circumstances or manifested in strange and unusual ways — El-Melloi II was a good example of that — but they were still Servants, fully formed and complete.

Then again, this was a Singularity, so expecting things to be weird was maybe what I should always default to when I found something unexpected.
Yeah, what I'm hearing here is that Taylor's first summon failed because she summoned herself, and she got QA back (or at least her powers) in the process. I wonder if anyone will notice now that they know it's possible?
Honestly I still can't wait for the moment Aife leaves the spotlight. She's such a Mary Sue that she managed to outshine Nero, another famous Mary Sue, in her own arc. And if Aife gets this much, then god forbid Scathach once she comes along.
Meh, despite everything Aife is probably stronger than Scathach.

Despite what we're told in-universe, it's lesser known Servants are often better than the actual big names. This is bacause well-known heroes often appear in dozens of legends which can't all be represented in their kits, so they get high stats and well-rounded kits, usually with things like their most famous weapon or skills as Noble Phantasms. They also tend to get hit the hardest by the class system since they get their abilities split between classes ex: Cu getting his runecraft nerfed as Lancer or losing his spear and getting his physical abilities nerfed as Caster and also losing his Warp Spasms as both.

On the other hand, lesser known heroes with just one legend to their name might not have as much fame boastering their stats, but their kits WILL let them recreate that one legend, no matter what. Basically, they'll have highly specific kits and NPs but much more absolute/specialized hax tailored towards the 'one thing' they're know for. Ex: Mandricardo 'wielding no sword but Durandal' making every weapon he touches become Durandal / Penthesilea showing up to a battle with twelve amazons giving her the ability to summon said amazons / etc

Aife falls under the later category, and her 'one thing' is... being stronger than Scathach. So... yeah.
 
I mean does anyone other than Olga knows that Taylor qualify to be a Heroic Spirit?
Probably not. Conventional Magus wisdom says that modern-day humans can't become Heroic Spirits (which is complete bullshit BTW, like, there's no way you can convince me that people like Hitler, Elvis, Chuck Norris, Stalin, Trump, Neil Armstrong, Putin, Michael Jackson, Elon Musk, etc aren't Heroic Spirits) so the possibility probably doesn't even occur to people. Plus it's not as if Taylor is famous in their timeline.
 
Probably not. Conventional Magus wisdom says that modern-day humans can't become Heroic Spirits (which is complete bullshit BTW, like, there's no way you can convince me that people like Hitler, Elvis, Chuck Norris, Stalin, Trump, Neil Armstrong, Putin, Michael Jackson, Elon Musk, etc aren't Heroic Spirits) so the possibility probably doesn't even occur to people. Plus it's not as if Taylor is famous in their timeline.
Elon Musk's a fraud, but that's not the point.

Anyway I remember something about the Voyager Probe being the most recent heroic spirit, simply because it's just so damn hard to become one in the modern age.
 
Elon Musk's a fraud, but that's not the point.

Anyway I remember something about the Voyager Probe being the most recent heroic spirit, simply because it's just so damn hard to become one in the modern age.
Just like anything else in Fate, that statement is bullshit -- I mean, the Voyager Probe is 'the most recent' heroic spirit but we already have EMIYA, who is literally from the future and thus after Voyager. Even if you try to argue that he doesn't count, there have been hundreds of statements in the same vein in Fate and all of them were true all the way up until they weren't.
 
Well...
Ah I thought it was odd this was ending without ever hearing from Lu Bu.
That shows what I know.
With the four of us, there's no way we'll lose!"

Arash, I said without looking in his direction, she didn't mean it, she just forgot because you're so quiet…
FTFY poor Arash.
"It's on my résumé. The Director had it listed as one of my strengths."
"Yes, we were wondering about your resume Taylor..."
 
Yeah, what I'm hearing here is that Taylor's first summon failed because she summoned herself, and she got QA back (or at least her powers) in the process. I wonder if anyone will notice now that they know it's possible?

Meh, despite everything Aife is probably stronger than Scathach.

Despite what we're told in-universe, it's lesser known Servants are often better than the actual big names. This is bacause well-known heroes often appear in dozens of legends which can't all be represented in their kits, so they get high stats and well-rounded kits, usually with things like their most famous weapon or skills as Noble Phantasms. They also tend to get hit the hardest by the class system since they get their abilities split between classes ex: Cu getting his runecraft nerfed as Lancer or losing his spear and getting his physical abilities nerfed as Caster and also losing his Warp Spasms as both.

On the other hand, lesser known heroes with just one legend to their name might not have as much fame boastering their stats, but their kits WILL let them recreate that one legend, no matter what. Basically, they'll have highly specific kits and NPs but much more absolute/specialized hax tailored towards the 'one thing' they're know for. Ex: Mandricardo 'wielding no sword but Durandal' making every weapon he touches become Durandal / Penthesilea showing up to a battle with twelve amazons giving her the ability to summon said amazons / etc

Aife falls under the later category, and her 'one thing' is... being stronger than Scathach. So... yeah.
Apropos of Aife, there's actually more to her in the legends than we originally thought. Granted, the other bits we have are super obscure — so obscure that you have to hunt pretty hard for them — but one of them is a poem that some redditors theorize is what Nasu used for the idea of, "Yeah, Sca can mass produce Gae Bolg." That one happens to also buff Aife the same way.

How was the Gae-Bulga discovered?

Tell us without being ignorant,—

Or by whom was it brought hither,

From the eastern parts of the world?

Inform those who are ignorant

That this weapon originally came hither

From Bolg Mac Buain, in the east,

To Cu Chulainn, in Muirtheimhné.

Two monsters that were upon the sea,

Which fought a fierce, angry battle;

Their names, I well remember, were

The Curruid and the Coinchenn.

Curruid fell in the furious fight

By the noble, fierce Coinchenn;

Upon the boisterous, proud, Red Sea,

On the ridge of the cool and deep abyss.

Bolg Mac Buain, a champion famed,

Discovered the skull of Curruid upon the strand,

Whither it fled from the sea abroad,

Closely pursued by the Coinchenn.

Bolg Mac Buain, the renowned,

Many were the hosts whom he defeated;

By him was made the wild spear,

From the bones of the kingly monster.

Mac Buain gave the Gae Bolg

To Mac Iubar, the brave subduer;

Mac Iubar next consigned the gift

To Lena his own fellow-pupil:

Lena gave to Dermeil

The spear of hard sharp-pointed head;

And Dermeil gave it, without grudge,

Unto his tutoress, unto Scathach:

Scathach gave it to [her daughter] Aifé

She never did a more foolish act;

And by her was made the fatal spear

By which her only son was slain.

Cuchulainn brought the Gai Bolg

Into Erinn, with all its barbs;

By it he slew Conleach of the battle-shields,

And Ferdiaidh afterwards, without mistake.

Of course, it has a few consistency issues with the rest of the Ulster Cycle. Like Aife being Sca's daughter, which would make her kid number 4, I think, or was it 5? Sca has several kids, is what I'm saying, and at least two of them are sons with at least one daughter. No mention of what lucky bastard got Sca so hot and bothered that she gave him at least 3 kids.

There's another short called "The Training of Cuchulainn," but it's a bit disconnected from the main canon of Ulster, because it eschews both Aife's rivalry with Sca and her fight with Cu by making it so she "fell in love at first sight," and it also either has two different Aifes in it or two different backgrounds for her, which would tank its internal consistency.

It also has Aife being Greek for some reason, in spite of her blatantly Irish name, so massive grains of salt.

Of course, it's also entirely possible that the Aife mentioned is yet another Aife, because that name is absurdly popular in the Irish mythology, but the Connla hook is too obvious.
 
Just like anything else in Fate, that statement is bullshit -- I mean, the Voyager Probe is 'the most recent' heroic spirit but we already have EMIYA, who is literally from the future and thus after Voyager. Even if you try to argue that he doesn't count, there have been hundreds of statements in the same vein in Fate and all of them were true all the way up until they weren't.
i think it might be in the 'natural heroic spirit' sense, emiya made a contract to become one, where as voyager somehow managed to embody the hopes of humanity and was a turning point in human history. but yeah, rules are true until they aren't, that's basically a rule by itself in fate.
 
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do you even imperial privilege bro
Last time i checked, Rika is cool, but not rightful ruler of Roman Empire cool.

Emiya got in through the back door as a Counter Guardian, not through fame or leaving a legend.
EMIYA Alter exist, in parallel with Red Archer so at least one of them is Heroic Spirit.

"Yes, we were wondering about your resume Taylor..."
Well.. As someone said once.
 
Meh, despite everything Aife is probably stronger than Scathach.

Despite what we're told in-universe, it's lesser known Servants are often better than the actual big names. This is bacause well-known heroes often appear in dozens of legends which can't all be represented in their kits, so they get high stats and well-rounded kits, usually with things like their most famous weapon or skills as Noble Phantasms. They also tend to get hit the hardest by the class system since they get their abilities split between classes ex: Cu getting his runecraft nerfed as Lancer or losing his spear and getting his physical abilities nerfed as Caster and also losing his Warp Spasms as both.

On the other hand, lesser known heroes with just one legend to their name might not have as much fame boastering their stats, but their kits WILL let them recreate that one legend, no matter what. Basically, they'll have highly specific kits and NPs but much more absolute/specialized hax tailored towards the 'one thing' they're know for. Ex: Mandricardo 'wielding no sword but Durandal' making every weapon he touches become Durandal / Penthesilea showing up to a battle with twelve amazons giving her the ability to summon said amazons / etc

Aife falls under the later category, and her 'one thing' is... being stronger than Scathach. So... yeah.
Missing my point. Aife is "stronger than Scathach" but Scathach is so BS that she was derided as a plot device the first time she came in the game. She was so BS that she started the Class Change shenanigans in events by establishing that a Skill (Primordial Rune) could be so strong that it could change the classes of other Servants. Before that, it took stuff like Holy Grails and the Moon Cell to mess with Servants. In essence, Scathach was the memetic trigger for most of modern FGO's Servant shenanigans.

So if Aife is this bad already then how about Scathach? You know, the very first Irish servant in canon that actually got to show how BS their legends were?
 
Of course, it has a few consistency issues with the rest of the Ulster Cycle. Like Aife being Sca's daughter, which would make her kid number 4, I think, or was it 5? Sca has several kids, is what I'm saying, and at least two of them are sons with at least one daughter. No mention of what lucky bastard got Sca so hot and bothered that she gave him at least 3 kids.

There's another short called "The Training of Cuchulainn," but it's a bit disconnected from the main canon of Ulster, because it eschews both Aife's rivalry with Sca and her fight with Cu by making it so she "fell in love at first sight," and it also either has two different Aifes in it or two different backgrounds for her, which would tank its internal consistency.

It also has Aife being Greek for some reason, in spite of her blatantly Irish name, so massive grains of salt.

Of course, it's also entirely possible that the Aife mentioned is yet another Aife, because that name is absurdly popular in the Irish mythology, but the Connla hook is too obvious.
Meh, it's mythology. There's no such thing as a 'true' or 'real' version, just the one the author decides to use.
Everything is canon, and nothing is. You can pick and choose what to use.

So in the case of Fate, poems like these would be wrong in a 'historical' sense since Aife is Scahath's sister, but might affect their Heroic Spirit selves as part of their legend.

i think might be in the 'natural heroic spirit' sense, emiya made a contract to become one, where as voyager somehow managed to embody the hopes of humanity and was a turning point in human history. but yeah, rules are true until they aren't, that's basically a rule by itself in fate.
Yeah, that's how it begins, every rule has dosens of 'exceptions' that Nasubabble their way through, until you realise there's more exceptions than cases that follow the rule and realise the rule itself was bullshit. Even the writers eventually realise this and stop making up excuses for the 'exceptions'.
 
I mean does anyone other than Olga knows that Taylor qualify to be a Heroic Spirit?
I think there's a decent possibility Taylor has guessed or will guess in fairly short order that she is one. She brings up (and then dismisses) the possibility that EMIYA is from the future, and from there it isn't much of a leap to think that an individual who ensured humanity's survival in a large segment of the multiverse would be on the Throne.
She's also well aware that the Throne of Heroes uses the term "Hero" in a different manner from the literal definition, so it isn't like her questionable past would disqualify her.
 
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