He because a Pseudo-servant of Carmen Sandiego
~Where in the world is Lu Bu Fengxian?~
Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
- Thread starter James D. Fawkes
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~Where in the world is Lu Bu Fengxian?~
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- Phoenix
And the third singularity is done, I don't suppose there's any chance of one of the twins yelling 'Lolis are for headpats, not lewding!' at Blackbeard?
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- He/Him/His
Rika. Rika says it.
Blackbeard will of course reply that "flat is justice".
If pressed Blackbeard may try to shame Rika for not treating Euryale as the adult she is.
...and I don't think Euryale is tiny enough to fall under the "technically not pedobait" tag.
That said Blackbeard is a creepy, neckbeard, fratboy weeb. He's not going to win any arguments fairly.
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He's a pirate. Just so long as he wins, he won't care about the how.
Nitramy
Love! Snow! Really Magic
- Location
- Home of Our Lady of Peace and Good Voyage
Thanks to that Lazytown song, my headcanon is that Teach's English voice is that of Robbie Rotten.
- Location
- just a bit south of nowhere
I'm just imagining now that Rika 'borrows' Taylor's knife and attempts a summoning and actually summons Taylor... But because this is FATE, the Taylor Servant is genderbent and a combination of every worst fanfic in personality. But of course, because genderbent the result is basically just Regent with bug powers.
The squad take bets on which Taylor will get pissed off and kill the other first.
The squad take bets on which Taylor will get pissed off and kill the other first.
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Isiri Pudireach
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Plot twist: it actually is Regent as a Taylor Pseudoservant. Both are acting, just to watch everyone else squirm.
Okay, first and foremost, I love this story. The reliability and consistency, the character interactions, the fights, everything. If I wasn't a broke-ass college student, I'd support you on Patreon.
Secondly, some of you forget something. You come and say things like "Taylor wasn't alone at Golden Morning" and "If you knew/read the OG story, then you'd know she didn't just up and kill Scion with her army of conscripts".
But I have a counter offer for you: that doesn't matter much. A big percent of the r/worm community never read the OG story - we only know of it thanks to fanfics. And this is how myths are created, some people were there, they tell stories to anyone who listens, and those people spread the word too, sometimes incorrectly.
Think of it like this: you, who had read it, were there. You were in Khepri's army unwillingly. We, who hadn't read it, are your drinking buddies from the pub, after you settle in a not totally destroyed world. We don't have emotional connection to it, so we can just imagine it as a grand battle, where the underdog defeated the tyrant all by her lonesome.
What would influence Taylor's legend more? The few thousand who were there, or the million/billions who heard of it after the fact?
Also, do you think that Taylor would be stronger than a regular Servant or even Arthuria? Since Arturia "A" of planet "A" is strong, because everyone on planet "A" heard of her legend, would that mean that Taylor "B" of planet "B" is stronger, because everyone on planet "A","B","C"...."G" heard of her after GM? Like instead of cluster connection, instead of a linear one?
Secondly, some of you forget something. You come and say things like "Taylor wasn't alone at Golden Morning" and "If you knew/read the OG story, then you'd know she didn't just up and kill Scion with her army of conscripts".
But I have a counter offer for you: that doesn't matter much. A big percent of the r/worm community never read the OG story - we only know of it thanks to fanfics. And this is how myths are created, some people were there, they tell stories to anyone who listens, and those people spread the word too, sometimes incorrectly.
Think of it like this: you, who had read it, were there. You were in Khepri's army unwillingly. We, who hadn't read it, are your drinking buddies from the pub, after you settle in a not totally destroyed world. We don't have emotional connection to it, so we can just imagine it as a grand battle, where the underdog defeated the tyrant all by her lonesome.
What would influence Taylor's legend more? The few thousand who were there, or the million/billions who heard of it after the fact?
Also, do you think that Taylor would be stronger than a regular Servant or even Arthuria? Since Arturia "A" of planet "A" is strong, because everyone on planet "A" heard of her legend, would that mean that Taylor "B" of planet "B" is stronger, because everyone on planet "A","B","C"...."G" heard of her after GM? Like instead of cluster connection, instead of a linear one?
The few thousand who were there if it was thousands and not hundreds Ward gives us the numbers but I'd have to look it up. People may not like it but it is in Ward itself and not wog that after gm people didn't talk about it at all the survivors who fought had pins or something and discussed bits occasionally amongst themselves which was usually talking with pre gm teammates about what happened to the rest of their team. However, the public at large does not know how scion died or anything else about gm even when Vicky tells people about how scion was an alien and the source of powers she doesn't mention Taylor because people were traumatised and just didn't want to speak about her or think about being under her control.
You also have to consider about numbers. In Ward despite being one winter after gm there are still a ton of people on earth bet with tons moving to the bay because of knowing about the portal there were others because faultline and her crew got hired to open a few more but that's the famous one. Then there's the mega city on gimel with a settlements around it some though portals to other earths and some just a distance away and gimel also has people in Europe. However communication becomes an issue those people in Europe don't help with the Ward climax because by the time they hear of it and send help it's already over. This is because they are moved to a different earth so there's no internet or phone services for a long time not much is said about phones but the internet is something only just regained before ward starts and it only covers the mega city and a few of the settlements around it and I can't really remember anything about tvs either but I would say it's unlikely since they have an urgent need to build more houses and get people producing food.
Simply put billions won't hear of her after it because gm is 2013 which is after the world population hit 7 billion but all the big cape problems like the endbringers, s9, ashbeast, nilbog, machine army, sleeper to the smaller ones that still kill people like lung (ordered undersiders deaths they can't be the only ones), marquis (killed his own followers who broke his rules or failed him) or accord (super ocd means he gets very murderous like going to kill sundancer when she interrupted a meeting with trickstar and him due to cody having let himself be cloned so there was a clone loose. She gets saved only by showing off her ballet and throwing cody under the bus and he got shipped to the yangban) means bet very likely had less before scion went on his rampage that opens with him destroying the uk and regularly wiping out cities and then all the Ward stuff that killed more people and capes.
From that info spreading is down to word of mouth and people aren't talking so it isn't going to reach billions since the only ones who could know would be the megacity and surrounding territories since all the people who would know about who was controlling them were there at the end were all in new york though they have some contact with the European settlement so they may know but we have no idea of their numbers but that's it there is no Asia or Africa to consider it's just those 3 which isn't going to be billions in total.
Aside from that you have to consider the whole modern age thing and that a lot of those capes just don't know enough there's several who know they got controlled but never saw by who cause of the portals and then you have to further reduce it to those who know it was taylor specifically. That would effect the servant because the connection body controller = kephri = taylor link isn't there. So servant Taylor is going to be very different to servant Kephri and both aren't going to be as strong as Arturia especially since they are very different setups since both are minion controllers and will have way worse stats especially since she's not going to be qualified for the melee combat classes except maybe kephri berserker or rider taylor though that would have a problem with the mount since Atlas isn't going to be that well known in verse since it was made after shatterbird's scream in the s9 arc and got left behind and bronzed after taylor surrendered to the prt.
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- Philippines
It's still pretty stupid. That kind of thing just doesn't stay secret even if people want it to be, given how many were affected. Enough people will lean on their loved ones to cope with it that you would expect family members of capes to know. Others would blubber about it under effects of alcohol. And there are always the few that will seek revenge for some reason or another and would tell anyone who wants to know who is it that they are after. And this is just the first level, with the people they told being avenues for more people to find out about Taylor.
Frankly speaking, it's just Wildbow's excuse to not have to bring up Taylor in Ward because as far as he's concerned, that story was Worm and it was over. But if he really wanted it to be over then he should've not continued writing in the setting of Worm in the first place.
James D. Fawkes
Court Scribe
- Location
- Avalon (Isle of Mists)
So I've said before that I think WB does a lot of things well, that as a writer, he has a pretty solid grasp on certain subjects, and that's what makes Worm's setting and characters compelling.
But I also disagree with some of his decisions and also on his general outlook on people and human beings, on the idea of heroism and gallantry. I've said it before and I'll say it again now: I don't particularly care what justification he gives in Ward for Taylor being all but erased from the history Gold Morning, precisely because it's a justification. It's very blatantly a "hand of the author" thing. He wanted a clean slate. He wanted Taylor's presence to not be felt and not hang over Victoria's story, so he came up with a reason why no one talks about her after GM.
The reality of the situation is that parts of his reasoning aren't wrong. Not everyone who participated in GM knew who Taylor was or what was going on with Khepri. Of those who did know, some of them are going to be too traumatized to talk about it and some of them are going to keep their mouths shut to honor her memory. A group of those who knew her best might even get together and make a pact to never say anything.
But that's not going to be everyone. Something like...I want to say it was about 5000 capes who were ultimately in that final battle. Not all of them from the same place, the same culture, the same anything. If you get 5000 randomly selected people together, good luck getting them to agree on the color of the fucking sky, let alone keeping a secret that big. Secrets like that? They only get kept when everyone in the group knows and agrees that the consequences for letting it leak are too terrible, and even then, there are decent odds someone will still blow the whistle. See Edward Snowden.
With what happened, the truth getting out is only a matter of time. Without Contessa and Cauldron, there's no boogieman to snip loose threads. Someone, somewhere who is in the know will let it slip, and it's too big not to spread. Like with any game of telephone, though, a lot of the details will get altered in each retelling, so the final consensus will probably get only a few things right, like Taylor's identity and her powers, and everything else is up for grabs.
But I also disagree with some of his decisions and also on his general outlook on people and human beings, on the idea of heroism and gallantry. I've said it before and I'll say it again now: I don't particularly care what justification he gives in Ward for Taylor being all but erased from the history Gold Morning, precisely because it's a justification. It's very blatantly a "hand of the author" thing. He wanted a clean slate. He wanted Taylor's presence to not be felt and not hang over Victoria's story, so he came up with a reason why no one talks about her after GM.
The reality of the situation is that parts of his reasoning aren't wrong. Not everyone who participated in GM knew who Taylor was or what was going on with Khepri. Of those who did know, some of them are going to be too traumatized to talk about it and some of them are going to keep their mouths shut to honor her memory. A group of those who knew her best might even get together and make a pact to never say anything.
But that's not going to be everyone. Something like...I want to say it was about 5000 capes who were ultimately in that final battle. Not all of them from the same place, the same culture, the same anything. If you get 5000 randomly selected people together, good luck getting them to agree on the color of the fucking sky, let alone keeping a secret that big. Secrets like that? They only get kept when everyone in the group knows and agrees that the consequences for letting it leak are too terrible, and even then, there are decent odds someone will still blow the whistle. See Edward Snowden.
With what happened, the truth getting out is only a matter of time. Without Contessa and Cauldron, there's no boogieman to snip loose threads. Someone, somewhere who is in the know will let it slip, and it's too big not to spread. Like with any game of telephone, though, a lot of the details will get altered in each retelling, so the final consensus will probably get only a few things right, like Taylor's identity and her powers, and everything else is up for grabs.
I think there's a WoG somewhere that states that eventually the truth of what happened in GM will leak alongside its consequences. Just not sometime within the span of Wards itself.
Found the quote from Ward
So taking those numbers 5212 at the final fight not sure if that's meaning just the final in new york or khepri's control in general but there would be more if it was just meaning new york which it probably since I don't see how they could get numbers on it in general. She had a ton of changers she was keeping back since she didn't have a use for them until making them look like Eden and she was using some like goddess through portals to pull capes back with powers like telekinesis so there'd be a few more involved with the fight but got cut off when doormaker ran out of power which may not be counted then again goddess is one of them and she wound up in Gimel at the end so they could still be counted.
Taking those numbers tho 2/3 lived so 3474.67 survived that fight, around 1737.33 stayed in Gimel, 694.93 of which were heroes or close enough and only 138.987 stayed as heroes. Though given a ton of people died over the first winter from lack of food plus, the supposed constant high staked stuff the wardens deal with offscreen to justify them not getting involved in the events of ward itself and those events themselves those numbers would get further reduced.
While yes I would agree some would probably spread it I will repeat between those too traumatised to speak of it, those who were there but never saw kephri themselves, those who saw kephri but never realised it was taylor, those who know but just go off into the outskirt territories, stay there and don't do much, those who knew Taylor and so are keeping quiet for the sake of her and her friends, the general priorities on getting food and housing and the lack of internet, tv and phone coverage I doubt millions would know and definitely not billions would know of khepri and even fewer would know that it was taylor. I'd also point out the general supply shortage lowers the odds of people spilling it while drunk because there wouldn't be much to get drunk on and the funds to secure it would probably go to other things.
So taking those numbers 5212 at the final fight not sure if that's meaning just the final in new york or khepri's control in general but there would be more if it was just meaning new york which it probably since I don't see how they could get numbers on it in general. She had a ton of changers she was keeping back since she didn't have a use for them until making them look like Eden and she was using some like goddess through portals to pull capes back with powers like telekinesis so there'd be a few more involved with the fight but got cut off when doormaker ran out of power which may not be counted then again goddess is one of them and she wound up in Gimel at the end so they could still be counted.
Taking those numbers tho 2/3 lived so 3474.67 survived that fight, around 1737.33 stayed in Gimel, 694.93 of which were heroes or close enough and only 138.987 stayed as heroes. Though given a ton of people died over the first winter from lack of food plus, the supposed constant high staked stuff the wardens deal with offscreen to justify them not getting involved in the events of ward itself and those events themselves those numbers would get further reduced.
While yes I would agree some would probably spread it I will repeat between those too traumatised to speak of it, those who were there but never saw kephri themselves, those who saw kephri but never realised it was taylor, those who know but just go off into the outskirt territories, stay there and don't do much, those who knew Taylor and so are keeping quiet for the sake of her and her friends, the general priorities on getting food and housing and the lack of internet, tv and phone coverage I doubt millions would know and definitely not billions would know of khepri and even fewer would know that it was taylor. I'd also point out the general supply shortage lowers the odds of people spilling it while drunk because there wouldn't be much to get drunk on and the funds to secure it would probably go to other things.
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Isiri Pudireach
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Remember, the Throne doesn't care how acurate the legend is, just that it is spread.
So all it cares is that people know that someone lead them. The fact that Taylor is real and exists means that the Throne will use her 9 times out of 10 for a "Khepri" Servant. And thats totally ignoring the possibility of Skitter becoming a Servant, considering its well known she killed Alexandria.
Evil Atlas
Inspector of Details
- Location
- Denial
- Pronouns
- He/Him
That's a good point. Considering how frequently we get Servants who show up as women because (in the Fate universe at least) they were or wanted to be women despite their legends purely showing them as men, the accuracy of the legends doesn't matter much, does it?
I did say servant Taylor is going to be very different to servant Kephri.
For Alexandria they also told people Alexandria was effected by ziz after all and Taylor worked with them to stop her but I'm not sure if they actually gave her credit for the kill. Killing Alexandria is small potatoes too even her warlord stint is what Taylor is known for in verse is the Behemoth fight because Glen released her body cam video publicly which was the first actual look at an endbringer fight.
What I was talking about was the number of people who know of Kephri in general and how many of those know it was Taylor and if it puts her equal to or better than Arturia. Which does matter though because aside from fame bonuses we see how legends effect heroic spirits all over like Atalanta having the cat ears and tail cause of the being turned into a lion bit and has such a high agility stat and the aesthetics of the last spurt skill from her legend of letting her suitors have a head start in the races and then overtaking them. There's also things like Jack the Ripper cause of no-one knowing their identity or Charlemagne having the myth and actual historic versions or Vlad despite never being a vampre having a noble phantasm for it in monarch lancer form and versions based on him being the vampire. There's also the higher bar to entry in general for modern servants and them being weaker in general.
So even supposing taylor and kephri are both valid summons for the sake of discussion there's a ton of ways it could and would effect a servant like kephri possibly being separate from taylor's stuff including fame and being influenced by the horror myths and inaccuracies told about her to kephri being barely known in general weakening her especially in the original context I replied to of the supposed millions or billions (which as I was covering in those posts there aren't) knowing of her possibly letting her equal or surpass Arturia as a servant (which I was explaining why it wouldn't).
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one thing to note is that the throne of heroes is atemporal, it doesn't matter that a few years after gold morning no one knows, in the long term people will know, some journalist will find out and publish it or people eventually stop holding back about her, eventually, people will know, and that's what matters. i can totally buy that after so little time as is between worm and ward that it isn't widespread yet, the key part there being yet. and well, depending on how it gets out, i can see it be pretty accurate to the truth, all that really needs to happen is that someone who knew taylor speaks out, it's that simple, their words will have more weight and for an event like gold morning, people will wanna know the whole truth about the person that saved the world.
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- Argentina
Also is incredible that some Villain in Ward didn't just leak the real story. One would think that as unhinged as Teacher was he would have used that as a final "Fuck You".
Then again I don't care about Ward.
Then again I don't care about Ward.
@James D. Fawkes, I have a question. Goetia swaps out which Demon Pillar is in control based on who it's dealing with, and that's why FGO's first fight against it (in the guise of Solomon) has it using 'Incineration Ritual: Beleth' in place of a proper Noble Phantasm, since Beleth's portfolio maps extremely well onto the basic premise of FGO. My question is, which Pillar would Goetia think fits Taylor best?
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Sad Machine
Unshackled Unclaimed
- Location
- Earth
Didnt know it was weird but thats kinda how my dad and I talk to each other, I guess its weird cause Mash is a girl?
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- They/Them/Their
Nah, it's weird because Lancelot isn't Mash's dad. And saying that sort of thing is very out of character for Mash. But not for Galahad.
SolipsistSerpent
Endlessly Devouring
It's mainly weird because Mash is consistently polite and shy in her dialogue, so it runs completely counter to her normal character.
- Location
- Southern California
Hmmm makes me think we might see Moriarty in London or Saladin in the Holy Land (cause the fact that Richard was summoned but not Saladin is so strange to me- like sure they both would probably get stomped but semantics)
- Location
- Philippines
Also it's because while Mash can be blunt at her own father figure (Romani), she pays him with far more respect than Galahad ever had for Lancelot.
- Location
- USA
Imo, there being no MODERN heroes is a rule in Nasu for some of the same reasons Wildblow keeps Taylor's name out of Ward.
Neither author wanted to deal with it.
Thing is, we have no way of knowing whose name will echo through the ages and whose name will slide into total obscurity in a decade. Making Heroes out of people who are still alive, and can make claims on their own image besides, creates tons of problems for a non-derivative work.
Walt Disney and Stan Lee are both almost certainly qualified for the Throne for the same reasons as Shakespeare or Hans, but Nasu, quite rightfully, doesnt want to fight Disney or Marvel over the rights. Even if Stan Lee would probably have said 'go for it' if Nasu asked him personally.
Neither author wanted to deal with it.
Thing is, we have no way of knowing whose name will echo through the ages and whose name will slide into total obscurity in a decade. Making Heroes out of people who are still alive, and can make claims on their own image besides, creates tons of problems for a non-derivative work.
Walt Disney and Stan Lee are both almost certainly qualified for the Throne for the same reasons as Shakespeare or Hans, but Nasu, quite rightfully, doesnt want to fight Disney or Marvel over the rights. Even if Stan Lee would probably have said 'go for it' if Nasu asked him personally.
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