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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

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James D. Fawkes said:
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Fair enough.

Moliblazer said:
Probably not. Conventional Magus wisdom says that modern-day humans can't become Heroic Spirits (which is complete bullshit BTW, like, there's no way you can convince me that people like Hitler, Elvis, Chuck Norris, Stalin, Trump, Neil Armstrong, Putin, Michael Jackson, Elon Musk, etc aren't Heroic Spirits) so the possibility probably doesn't even occur to people. Plus it's not as if Taylor is famous in their timeline.
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Armstrong is a Canon Servant, we just know nothing about him other than the fact he's not necessarily the strongest since he and his Master die. He shows up in Extra, though I think he and his Master die in the first round if I remember correctly and I could be very wrong on that. However the more modern Servants aren't summonable via anything but the Moon Cell, or similar extremely odd circumstances.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
Apropos of Aife, there's actually more to her in the legends than we originally thought. Granted, the other bits we have are super obscure — so obscure that you have to hunt pretty hard for them — but one of them is a poem that some redditors theorize is what Nasu used for the idea of, "Yeah, Sca can mass produce Gae Bolg." That one happens to also buff Aife the same way.

It also has Aife being Greek for some reason, in spite of her blatantly Irish name, so massive grains of salt.

Of course, it's also entirely possible that the Aife mentioned is yet another Aife, because that name is absurdly popular in the Irish mythology, but the Connla hook is too obvious.
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One of the weirdest things about studying Irish mythology is how aware they were about the Greeks and their mythology. And how much they like doing crossovers fan fic AUs: (there is a version of 'THe quest of the sons of Turenn' that is basically 3 Irish dudes gatecrashing all the big places in Greek myth like Troy, Minos and Circe's island.)

Tho I think that's more about how the Greeks make it look like none of the different people of the time interacted because they didn't like acknowledging that anyone not in the mediterranean actually had a culture, then all these people not knowing anything about their trading partners.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
One of the weirdest things about studying Irish mythology is how aware they were about the Greeks and their mythology. And how much they like doing crossovers fan fic AUs: (there is a version of 'THe quest of the sons of Turenn' that is basically 3 Irish dudes gatecrashing all the big places in Greek myth like Troy, Minos and Circe's island.)

Tho I think that's more about how the Greeks make it look like none of the different people of the time interacted because they didn't like acknowledging that anyone not in the mediterranean actually had a culture, then all these people not knowing anything about their trading partners.
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IIRC, there's actually some evidence that the Celts had something of an empire going, way back when, throughout large swathes of Western Europe, although I think it was more economic than political. They even ransacked Rome, at one point.

Of course, Rome back then lived by the adage: "What doesn't kill me only makes me stronger." They rebuilt, became an empire, and then kicked the Celts in the teeth, all the way up to where they eventually built Hadrian's Wall.
 
A heartfelt goodbye to Nero and Septum and a hearty congratulations to you Fawkes, for taking what's widely regarded as the worst Singularity/Main Story and turning it into a legitimate epic and cohesive story. With character depth and growth for everyone involved, and the surgical removal of certain weakpoints *cough* young Alex *cough* this has been an engaging ride that almost feels like what Septum would be like if it was written in the modern Grand Order style.

Moving on towards Okeanos, it actually has a soft spot in my heart for all that it's kind of a weak story. It has some of my early favorite servants, Hector and David, showcases Blackbeard as a mid-range threat that was more dangerous than he shows, and has the first time the Protagonist does something truly Heroic, the kind that would be written about in a myth or legend, carrying Euryale on their shoulders running away from a berserk Heracles to point of exhaustion, leading him into a trap. I'm looking forward to seeing how all of these will be interpreted in the upcoming arc.

Oh, I'm also hoping that you choose to go with the original idea of Drake, that she's actually Queen Elisabeth I in 'disguise', taking the fight to the Spanish. I've always thought that it was one of the better twists on the 'historically male character is actually female', rather than just being 'incorrectly recorded in history'.
 
Moliblazer said:
Conventional Magus wisdom says that modern-day humans can't become Heroic Spirits
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There are multiple ways to become a Heroic Spirit - Kiritsugu and Shirou get in through being Counter Guardians (they're still heroic spirits), and Waver might be present thanks to Iskandar.

That being said? I don't care how difficult it is to get on the Throne for a modern human, being the (not so innocent) monster that saved the world is probably sufficient to accomplish the task.
 
Daemonflayer said:
and Waver might be present thanks to Iskandar.
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Waver is in due to the fact that he is a pseudo-servant.

Think of it like Mash & Galahad, but the host get summoned like a regular Heroic Spirit at the same time.
There are some Pseudo-Servants that are a mix of host & servant, like how Ishtar is like 2/3rd Ishtar 1/3rd Rin.
Meanwhile others, like Zhuge Liang, who is the Heroic Spirit inside Waver's body, essentially just give their hosts their power and skill and then take a nap for the rest of the game.
 
Moliblazer said:
Probably not. Conventional Magus wisdom says that modern-day humans can't become Heroic Spirits (which is complete bullshit BTW, like, there's no way you can convince me that people like Hitler, Elvis, Chuck Norris, Stalin, Trump, Neil Armstrong, Putin, Michael Jackson, Elon Musk, etc aren't Heroic Spirits) so the possibility probably doesn't even occur to people. Plus it's not as if Taylor is famous in their timeline.
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Neil Armstrong is actually confirmed as a Heroic Spirit. He showed up in the Fate/Extra anime, only to lose to Shinji and Drake.
 
R4d6 said:
Waver is in due to the fact that he is a pseudo-servant.
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Zhuge Liang is the Heroic Spirit there, not Waver. In the same way that Rin isn't a Heroic Spirit, nor is Sakura, nor Bazett (those would be Erishkigal/Ishtar, Kama/Parvati, and Mannanan mac Lir as the heroic spirits, respectively.)

Of all of those, Waver is the only one who might be a Heroic Spirit due to being part of Iskandar's (altered) legend and reality marble.
 
Daemonflayer said:
Zhuge Liang is the Heroic Spirit there, not Waver. In the same way that Rin isn't a Heroic Spirit, nor is Sakura, nor Bazett (those would be Erishkigal/Ishtar, Kama/Parvati, and Mannanan mac Lir as the heroic spirits, respectively.)
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I do precise that bit like two lines down :
R4d6 said:
Meanwhile others, like Zhuge Liang, who is the Heroic Spirit inside Waver's body, essentially just give their hosts their power and skill and then take a nap for the rest of the game.
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buli-buli said:
It's not about power. It's about relationship to the throne. See Irisviel.
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Irisviel's case is that she's acting as a terminal for The Holy Grail. In practice, she's something of a Pseudo-Servant herself.

Summon said:
I am from the Holy Grail. The one serving as the terminal of the Holy Grail. A temporary form. A temporary Servant. My name... Please call me Irisviel
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Bond 2 said:
I've manifested like this, in this form. Unbelievable, isn't it? I mean, I do not exist in the Throne of Heroes. ...The real me, the human me...died as a homunculus.
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Bond 4 said:
It's a strange story, right? I used the Holy Grail's power to temporarily manifest in this world as a vessel of the Holy Grail... But there are things I care about even more than the Holy Grail. That child, and that man.
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About the Holy Grail said:
The Holy Grail. It is my current self, but at the same time, it denotes a separate being. The Holy Grail did not originally have a consciousness. But, sometimes, the Holy Grail turns black, and all of the evil in this world...
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