Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

I mean, I still don't like Aífe much (though I kind of made it clear by whining how she's way too strong for someone with such a weak legend and by whining how with lore boosts, some Roman Emperors should be stronger than her) but I also don't think OC are bad.
I can understand your point, but it falls a little flat when Nasu invented most of what he did with Scathach from whole cloth. The Ulster Cycle has more from her than it does Aife, but she's very flat and is basically there to fill the archetype of the mentor figure, but a woman, so that Cu can bang her and her daughter and her sister ("the friendship of my thighs," indeed).

I would gladly have gone with just about anything Nasu did with Aífe as a character and a Servant, as long as he didn't treat her like a joke, but that would require he actually did anything with her. The sum total of her appearance in Fate is Cu telling his life story in Hollow Ataraxia and Fergus saying she's, "ferocious as a wild dog," in FGO's Agartha.
She literally invents the concept of Saint Graph self-modification because she wants to go to the Beach in the first Summer Event, and yes, Events are canon, because otherwise we'd have dead months in the plot.
*cough* Don't mind me, I'm just going to set this image of swimsuit Aife off to the side so that I can get around to painting the background at some point.

...Now that I think about it... Hm...
Which is why Type Moon will probably never release a servant version of her because they've hyped up Scáthach as such a badass monster in combat and teaching that having someone who surpasses her in that regard is gonna be weird.
I had high hopes when we got Skadi's character image, back before we knew it was Skadi. Naturally, they were let down.
 
I know OCs aren't popular with any fanbase. But Nasu and Type Moon haven't given me overly much to work with, when it comes to Roman Servants.

I have no issue with OCs, there are some Fics that I absolutely adore that have OCs that are spectacularly handled like Gundam Wing: Journey to a Distant Battlefield. The problem I have is when they aren't handled well, and you haven't demonstrated the ability to handle even extra Canon Servant characters well thus far, so you making OCs to fight the OCs you just created is why I have concerns. You've yet to really flesh out Arash yet, not to mention Bradamante, so you adding more characters who you need to create wholesale and not just flesh out is beyond concerning. As an example you could have had Bradamante be the Interlude PoV during Orleans instead of Siegfried and had another interlude featuring Arash (when he was off with the Twins and Mash) run concurrently in the plot timeline to really help flesh them out and get their reactions to Taylor's actions thus far. You replaced Liz and Kiyohime with Bradamante, but then failed to do much with her, despite the vital importance of those two Servants showing up at that time and place.

Also why do you feel the need to expand the Servants in Septem, or anywhere else, from Canon? Septem wasn't the greatest, but that's because it focused on Nero a bit too much, at least in my opinion. You could have had Jing Ke only get one or two Emperors instead of three to balance out the addition of Emiya and Arash for example if you really wanted to use an OC or two. Instead you're now stuck escalating the scenario by creating ever more OCs.

isn't it a device they make for him? and only by solomon's singulairty and after that the trick becomes available? in the movie it's before they go there, but i vaguely recall it only becoming an option just before the lostbelts in the game.

No it's always been how Ritsuka has battled, particularly after Fuyuki. The Mystic Code you're referencing is an Anime only thing introduced because it's a direct sequel to the Babylonia Anime (which is already not really Canon) where they cut Ritsuka's ability to use Servant Shades in order to save money on Voice Acting. Ritsuka can use those Servant Shades because of being Mash's Master. It's why Ritsuka can summon additional Servants to Chaldea at all. Not that they learn the why until much later.
 
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hmm, i just figured they played it as you having summoned the servants pre lostbelts, since after the singularities they all mostly leave and you're stuck with a small consistent cast in the lostbelts. figured the shade thing was a thing added to make it make sense why the players could still add their servants to the lostbelt fights.
 
Waver and Iskander out there trying to be a dynamic duo and conquer in the name of the United Empire because they're dumbasses or compelled by the power of the Grail are about to get their teeth kicked in because they never knew they were about to run into a Chaldean Operation.
 
hmm, i just figured they played it as you having summoned the servants pre lostbelts, since after the singularities they all mostly leave and you're stuck with a small consistent cast in the lostbelts. figured the shade thing was a thing added to make it make sense why the players could still add their servants to the lostbelt fights.

Nope it was how it worked all along, and they were forced to dismiss the Servants by New Years 2018 because of the Mages Association and the UN. The Servants went along with it because they're just Heroic Spirits and should leave the present to the living, but they would've been perfectly fine sticking around because it was like a vacation to them, which incidentally is the entire freaking reason Summer 3 occurs. The reason Ritsuka can summon Servant Shades at all after Part 2 started is because of the super special Spirit Origin Briefcase Da Vinci and Holmes whipped up, and they were not supposed to do that, or even be around in Holmes' case. They were thinking something fishy was up, and so gave Ritsuka a backup plan while technically allowing the rest of the Servants to be dismissed. Ritsuka takes it with them into the Lostbelts because they aren't Rayshifting into them, and so needs the Spirit Origin Briefcase close at hand to summon.

Remember that Chaldea couldn't summon any additional Servants after Mash's experiment until Ritsuka contracted Mash. When it worked in Fuyuki, as a Hail Mary done out of desperation, everyone was stumped. Chaldea knew something was up, but not the why. The Servant Shades were then used after Fuyuki, to allow Ritsuka to have tactical choice of who to use in battle in the Singularities without overtaxing Ritsuka to death by having them be present in the Singularities full time. They didn't really know how it was connected to Mash, but they used it anyways because of the desperate situation.
 
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There were, technically, three Roman emperors who were summoned in canon that we never got names or identities for, because Jing Ke killed them on her own.

The only Roman Emperor who makes any kind of appearance, gag or otherwise, and is not in the singularity is Leo III the Isaurian. That being said, would the narrative see her as a Greek or Easterner instead of a Roman Emperor?

And nothing we know about her fits the "muh copy machine". Frankly there are very few emperors who do—unless the whole "couldn't find my body" for Constantine XI Palaiologos is what's happening here.

For all we know, the distraction Servant could be a mere General instead of a king or emperor. Camillus or Marius in particular come to mind as major figures in the establishment of "legions". Unless we really stretch it and do Heraklios and the Theme system.
 
@James D. Fawkes why are they acting like 8 dozen crabs was some huge and disturbing amount of crabs? That's like a bushel and a quarter


and green crabs are smaller than the blue crabs in the above picture

It is more the crabs all being spread out in ordered ranks like in a military parade, rather then all of them inside a single bucket. Because, a single bucket of crabs? Not that big a deal. Having the crabs erupting out of that bucket like a swarm of bugs is so far out of the norm for a normal teenager, that it is going to freak most people out.
 
If (and that's a pretty big if) more characters from worm show up it'll probably be either the Undersiders in some sort of one off thing like a what if singularity or lostbelt. Though something like that will be a non-canon omake most likely.

Edit: Because shit is fucked over in Worm's world right now and I have like zero confidence in Taylor not trying to involve herself with (points a Ward) that mess if she sees it :V
 
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Yeah Caesar always struck me as more of a joke character than not. But not as much a joke character as some others, so I could see him working out quite well here.
 
This is your friendly reminder that Caesar was during his time known as "Every Man's Woman, and Every Woman's Man".
So Caesar acting like a Bafoon if he wants too is pretty believable not gonna lie.
Caesar was just as batshit insane as every other Emperor, just because that Insanity was channeled into doing Genius Roman ThingsTM
doesn't mean he wasn't.
 
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A warrior queen from Celtic Mythology, the Ulster Cycle.

Sister and rival to Scáthach, it is said that, in a competition of sheer might, she is the superior warrior. She is a master of the martial arts of the ancient Celts.

However, because of Aífe's lesser talent in the mystic arts, Scáthach was the one chosen to rule over the Land of Shadows and hold closed the gate that blocked off its countless ghosts. As a result, Aífe lived a different life and died as a mortal woman, taking her place upon the Throne of Heroes.

Much of her legend has been lost to time. However, her tutelary aspects and her fierce nature as a warrior remain, and it might be said that the things of which she was most proud are the things for which she is most remembered.
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Height/Weight: 165cm ・ 53kg

Source: Celtic Mythology

Region: Ireland

Alignment: Neutral Good

Gender: Female

At the boundary of the possible lies the ultimate expression of the martial arts. Only once you arrive there will you begin to understand my strength.
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Brutal. Ferocious. A no-nonsense type of woman who puts her all into everything and defeats her opponent without pause or mercy.

The type of ruler who leads from the front, a charismatic tyrant who accepts nothing less than the best effort of those who follow behind her. She is the kind of woman Celtic men loved the most.

Proud and unbowed.

An unstained ruler with a flawless record, undone by a single, humiliating defeat.

Possessing a fierce pride, she can accept any outcome where skill or personal ability were the deciding factor, even if the result is her own defeat. Therefore, naturally, her loss at the hands of Cúchulainn is one that she cannot accept.
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Discernment of Potential: B

The capacity of the grasping and understanding of "limitations."

It is mostly used for teaching, and in this area, it would see its highest level of efficacy, allowing Aífe to intuit her students' capacity for growth.

However, when used in battle, it allows her to know when the enemy is holding back or preparing a trump card. Even at this level, it is not possible to fully grasp the true nature and power of such a thing, but at least its existence may be understood.

As a warrior who has pushed herself to her own limits and then beyond, it is only natural that she would possess the knowledge of the exact limitations of those who stand before her, even if they are attempting to conceal them.
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Blood-Stained Queen: EX

Rígan Fuilech. The attribute of a Queen of Warriors.

It's a disposition befitting one who has blended warrior, queen, and teacher together seamlessly, to the extent that one is considered a natural extension of the other.

She is a woman who can switch from regal queen to bloodthirsty warrior from one moment to the next and acts with elegant brutality in all aspects.

Representing her nature as someone who is all of those things at once, it allows her to increase her performance by honing her mind towards the action in front of her. By acting in regards to the appropriate position, the efficacy of her actions is reinforced. Whenever she is one warrior amongst many, anti-army tactics are bolstered. Whenever she is fighting one-on-one in a duel, tactics for use against a single enemy unit are bolstered.

Thus is the nature of a queen who rules the battlefield and her kingdom with the same ruthless smile.
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An ordinary woman.

She who was blessed with nothing at birth except for her radiant beauty.

Charisma, skill at arms, mystical prowess, tactical acumen, leadership — these were all things which she was not born with, but acquired through supreme effort, honed over the course of years and many hours of backbreaking practice.

It is perhaps because she was born so ordinary that the role of steward of the Land of Shadows went to her sister, who overflowed with talent. Then, was it not a foregone conclusion from the beginning? To Aífe, it doesn't matter. Even if the outcome was never in question, she would have raced after that image in her mind no matter what.

Needless to say, there is a strong rivalry between the two sisters. Although Scáthach at that time acknowledged Aífe as the superior warrior, as far as Aífe is concerned, the issue was never settled, and because she is bound by Cúchulainn's geis not to fight her sister anymore, she has resorted to more indirect methods of coming out ahead.

"One day, I will train a student who surpasses your precious Hound. Then, we will truly know who is the better teacher!" is the sort of thing she promises as much to herself as to Scáthach.
Clear "The Resolution of the Final Regret"
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Aided Óenfhir Aífe (The Death of Aífe's Only Son) is the story of the tragedy of Connla's death by the hands of his father, Cúchulainn. By the fate forced upon him by the fate forced upon Aífe, Connla met his father, fought him, and was slain by the Gáe Bolg.

It is a tragedy of circumstances of Cúchulainn's own making, a completely avoidable fate brought to fruition by the imposition of a curse. There is no mention made of whether or not Aífe ever learned of what misfortune befell her only child.

However, as a woman who undoubtedly understood what it was she was sending Connla out to do, there is no doubt that Aífe knew from the very start exactly how this scenario would end. No matter how much she taught her son, no matter how far she pushed his skills, no matter how much she helped him to reach his potential, there can be no doubt that the end result was a foregone conclusion from the very beginning.

That there was nothing she could do to stop it… What terrible knowledge for a mother to possess.
 
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Objection. True Neutral. Good is stretching it hard for her, and her most notable legend is opposing a great hero, getting fucked over by him (both literally and figuratively), then sending their child to most probably kill (or be killed by) his father. Neutral might even be charitable for a person who by all rights wasn't known for doing things conventionally thought of as "good" or "moral," and was an antagonist in the hero's story.
 
It probably has more to do with Connla's fate.
Either way it's Cu's fault.

Objection. True Neutral. Good is stretching it hard for her, and her most notable legend is opposing a great hero, getting fucked over by him (both literally and figuratively), then sending their child to most probably kill (or be killed by) his father. Neutral might even be charitable for a person who by all rights wasn't known for doing things conventionally thought of as "good" or "moral," and was an antagonist in the hero's story.
Remember, the servant alignments are what the servants see themselves as, rather than their legends.
It's why Tamamo is chaotic evil on her page, but we never really see her do or act in an evil manner.
 
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Either way it's Cu's fault.


Remember, the servant alignments are what the servants see themselves as, rather than their legends.
It's why Tamamo is chaotic evil on her page, but we never really see her do or act in an evil manner.
Tamamo is evil because she's a mythical monster that killed the emperor. She's one of the great calamities of Japan.
 
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