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Objection. True Neutral. Good is stretching it hard for her, and her most notable legend is opposing a great hero, getting fucked over by him (both literally and figuratively), then sending their child to most probably kill (or be killed by) his father. Neutral might even be charitable for a person who by all rights wasn't known for doing things conventionally thought of as "good" or "moral," and was an antagonist in the hero's story.
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Alignments, like pretty much everything else in Servant sheets, are complete bs.

If you want proof, remember that Archer!Gilgamesh has always been Lawful Good, even back when his only appearance was as the irredemable main villain of 2/3rds of F/SN.
 
Alignments do factor in the personal views tho in Apocrypha it is explicitly stated that Atalanta's is what it is specifically because she views herself as evil because of defying her father by refusing to get married as he wanted and insisting on the races. Bearing in mind this is the same father who abandoned her in the woods to probably die most modern people would disagree but to her it makes her evil so that's in her alignment.
 
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Alignments do factor in the personal views tho in Apocrypha it is explicitly stated that Atalanta's is what it is specifically because she views herself as evil because of defying her father by refusing to get married as he wanted and insisting on the races. Bearing in mind this is the same father who abandoned her in the woods to probably die most modern people would disagree but to her it makes her evil so that's in her alignment.
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Do you know where it says that? I'd assumed Atalanta's NE alignment was because, rather than anything to do with defying her father, while she has a very benevolent wish and won't intentionally go out of her way to fuck with people she's also fairly callous with adult lives with a tendency to go full "whelp, it's the fate of the weak to get eaten. Sucks to suck I guess" towards non-child victims. Like, in Apocrypha she didn't have problems with Jack Mist-ing Trifas up until it started to harm children, which caused her to intervene and shoot Jack. If Trifas had been magically child-free, everyone in it dying of magical acid-toxins wouldn't have bothered her.
 
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Shinji117 said:
Do you know where it says that?
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Its on the light novel translations on wordpress i think it is somewhere but that's a lot there's 2 or 3 sections of side material along with odds and ends like servant profiles, a prequel short story and a female height lineup that Alstolfo manages to sneak into by making the writer forget their gender again. Its the one that has volumes 1, 2 and 4 done but volume 3 is only about 65-70 % done because its got a different translator than volume 4s and the updates are very infrequent.
 
famfrit said:
Its on the light novel translations on wordpress i think it is somewhere but that's a lot there's 2 or 3 sections of side material along with odds and ends like servant profiles, a prequel short story and a female height lineup that Alstolfo manages to sneak into by making the writer forget their gender again. Its the one that has volumes 1, 2 and 4 done but volume 3 is only about 65-70 % done because its got a different translator than volume 4s and the updates are very infrequent.
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I think I know what you're talking about, and there is a part in V4 Chp6-1 where Atalanta thinks about her dad (the same chapter where she has her "skill issue" thoughts on humans getting Jack'd, even) but nothing in it has her think of herself as in the wrong/evil for disliking her shitty dad's treatment of her. Like, she knows he's wrong in her treatment of her, and the fact he is wrong is one of the reasons for her Wish.

Atalanta doesn't feel like a case of whacky alignment nonsense like Super Genocide CG Gilgamesh, and it honestly feels like she earnt her NE alignment in a fairly sane way. Despite her Very Good Wish, if she came across an adult she didn't already have a connection to dying of something she could fairly easily stop, she'd have a fair chance of just...letting them die, which seems like something that most people would label as Evil.
 
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Shinji117 said:
I think I know what you're talking about, and there is a part in V4 Chp6-1 where Atalanta thinks about her dad (the same chapter where she has her "skill issue" thoughts on humans getting Jack'd, even) but nothing in it has her think of herself as in the wrong/evil for disliking her shitty dad's treatment of her. Like, she knows he's wrong in her treatment of her, and the fact he is wrong is one of the reasons for her Wish.
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No that can't be it because volume 3 isn't finished so I haven't started volume 4 yet
 
famfrit said:
No that can't be it because volume 3 isn't finished so I haven't started volume 4 yet
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V3 has been in limbo for years. The translation for Apoc was split between two people, and one (the one who had V3+5 specifically) has gone MIA. V4 was done in 2017, the last heard of V3 was from the end of 2016 and V5 hasn't been touched. Fairly sure the translation of the novels isn't ever going to be complete (though the manga follows the novels more closely than the anime, so that can be substituted in).
 
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V3 has been in limbo for years. The translation for Apoc was split between two people, and one (the one who had V3+5 specifically) has gone MIA. V4 was done in 2017, the last heard of V3 was from the end of 2016 and V5 hasn't been touched. Fairly sure the translation of the novels isn't ever going to be complete (though the manga follows the novels more closely than the anime, so that can be substituted in).
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I know that cause i said it a few post above you are wrong though the guy doing v3 has continued it a bit past that its just that you have to follow the trail to a thread instead of wordpress to read it.
 
It's easy to forget sometimes, but Aife does get mentioned in places other than The Wooing of Emer. TWoE is the only place, to my knowledge, that she and Scathach actually appear "on screen," as it were, but we get a few extra details from The Tragic Death of Aife's Only Son and The Cattle Raid of Cooley. The former tells us that she and Sca are actually sisters, where the latter tells us that Ferdiad and Cu learned under both of them (presumably after they made peace following that battle in TWoE, although the Doylist reasoning is probably either that the stories were recorded independently or that TWoE was recorded after the Tain) and credits Gae Bolg as "Aife's spear."

So no. Aife doesn't have a solely antagonistic role throughout the Ulster Cycle. Just the one time she's on screen for the myths.

"Neutral Good" is very much the appropriate alignment for her, because she has definitely made some questionable decisions in pursuit of a good fight, but she's also a Classical hero, so that's nothing particularly egregious enough to get her "evil" anywhere in her alignment. She's also a charismatic tyrant, so she can't be truly "lawful," but her rule wasn't cruel or despotic and she didn't mistreat her subjects/students, even if she was hard on them, so she can actually be called "good." Since, for the majority of her adult life, she was settled and relatively calm, she also can't be "chaotic."

So. Neutral Good.

In any case, yes, as the matrix implies, I will be updating it as and when the team hits Aife's bond levels. I'm probably even going to post a little graphic after the chapters where it happens just so that you guys can know to go back and check.
 
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A warrior queen from Celtic Mythology, the Ulster Cycle.

Sister and rival to Scáthach, it is said that, in a competition of sheer might, she is the superior warrior. She is a master of the martial arts of the ancient Celts.

However, because of Aífe's lesser talent in the mystic arts, Scáthach was the one chosen to rule over the Land of Shadows and hold closed the gate that blocked off its countless ghosts. As a result, Aífe lived a different life and died as a mortal woman, taking her place upon the Throne of Heroes.

Much of her legend has been lost to time. However, her tutelary aspects and her fierce nature as a warrior remain, and it might be said that the things of which she was most proud are the things for which she is most remembered.
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Height/Weight: 165cm ・ 53kg

Source: Celtic Mythology

Region: Ireland

Alignment: Neutral Good

Gender: Female

At the boundary of the possible lies the ultimate expression of the martial arts. Only once you arrive there will you begin to understand my strength.
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Talking about Aife. Is there any story about her get summoned in Fuyuki Holy Grail War ? Illya is one of best person who get along with Aife and Aife can become mother figure for Illya.
 
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Impstar said:
Why does she have grey eyes?
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The only slider for eye color in Artbreeder is blue. Positive goes more blue, negative goes brown, but the base image(s) you start with can also influence eye color. I tried to swing her eye color towards brown, but this is what came out. I guess the "genes" of the parent pictures were just too strong.
 
That looks like a person that I know. Huh.

Though, I guess this Taylor looks decidedly more boyish than her.
 
That's clearly the face of someone with purely good intentions.

Also reminds me of:
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SolipsistSerpent said:
I like it in general, but I think the eyes might be rolled up a hair too high. A lot of the pupils are cut off.
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The trouble with Artbreeder. When you find something that hits enough points, you have to save it, because fiddling with any of the sliders can result in a vastly different image and undoing the change doesn't always bring back exactly what you had before.

EDIT: I think it has some trouble with glasses, too, because some of the other results once I started fiddling with the glasses slider, uh, weren't...great.

For example...
I really like the shape of her eyes and mouth better here, but she looks much more like this weird cross between a photo and painting in this one, and this version might be a little too pretty, compared to the other one.
 
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Yeah, the eyes definitely do look better in the second one, even if, as you note, the glasses are sort of half in and half out of reality.

Here's an idea, could you just save the image file and then use, like Paint or something, to swap the eyes from one to the other? It might not line up right, I know.
 
SolipsistSerpent said:
Yeah, the eyes definitely do look better in the second one, even if, as you note, the glasses are sort of half in and half out of reality.

Here's an idea, could you just save the image file and then use, like Paint or something, to swap the eyes from one to the other? It might not line up right, I know.
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I possess the necessary skills, yes. But, like, I wasn't really, seriously trying to make a photorealistic Taylor, I was dicking around in Artbreeder to see how close I could get.

EDIT: Hm. Maybe I should make that part of my next art project for Hereafter. I know enough that I think I can model the Chaldea uniform well enough, and I already have a dedicated morph in Daz Studio for Taylor, so...
 
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