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Shirou did it, yes, but he also lost like 90% of his torso in the process, and it's only because of Avalon that he lived.
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- Thread starter James D. Fawkes
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Is canon that summoning in their place of their legend gives a servant a huge boost, hence the no Japanese heroes in the Fuyuki Grail war rule.
I know there weren't any Japanese servants in F/SN or F/Z, but I don't remember this being a codified rule. Source? At the very least in F/A, Amakusa was summoned in a Fuyuki HGW (though he was also a cheat summon so this doesn't necessarily prove anything except that the Einzberns are cheaters).
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Power creep. The same reason that Excalibur was the F*CKING pinnacle of a noble phantasm in FSN and now there are more EX rank noble phantasms than you can shake a stick at.
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My guess is the Naruto effect more than any actual in lore reason.
Yeah, if Herk were remade and they wanted him to be on the same level, he would get A++ Strength and Endurance, A+ Agility, etc
the power creep is real
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Off-topic a bit, but this honestly is a badass line to say. "We will rewrite the stars!"
Anyway, I agree that the stats are kind of bullshit. Maybe downgrade all of them and when they get a buff (like being in their home territory) then they the 'normal' stats?
Amaskusa was summoned in Apocrypha which has the rule stated along with things like the Assassin is one of the Hassan due to the heroes only bit. Regarding the fame bonus tho that too is covered in multiple places such as about Vlad and is why Monarch Vlad is summoned. Although he's an extreme example cause of his boost being on par with King Arthur in England and having skills about claiming territory (Demonic Defender of the State I think one is called) when he left his territory and entered into the hanging gardens, a place of neutral fame to all but its owner (important because Monarch Vlad gets weakened normally due to Vampire legend causing negative fame) he describes his power as going from a 10 to a 6.
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From my understanding, with D'eon it's justified to be a result of their Self-Suggestion skill, which is strong enough to affect their own body and identity at that. So it makes some sense.
But in general, Fate stats aren't even worth the letters they are penned at. Fate combat generally works by "who has the more magibabble wins" and by external factors that are often not even related to the Servants themselves outside of the occasional "this guy died by X in his legend".
It is worth noting though that Saint Graph stats are already recorded with the skills taken account for unless stated otherwise. So I presume the reason why he has so much base stats is because of Madness Enhancement and his Personal skills being already accounted for, like in the aforementioned case of D'eon.
well there is sasaki kojiro, but he's a cheat summon by medea so that could be an exception to prove the rule
i can't speak for the many EX rank np's, since EX doesn't necessarily mean hyper powerful but instead that it doesn't work for the scale of E to A, but excalibur is still above most of them, if only cause the excalibur we see in F/SN is under a bunch of seals and fully released it is way more powerful, granted those seals are vague and occasionally contradictory. like one is released in 1v1 fights, and another is released if their 'comrades-in-arms' are courageous, and one is released as long as nothing 'inhuman' is being done (which begs the question of how one defines inhuman) etc. but in general, excalibur can peak higher than most np's effectively, which is why it's said to be the pinnacle.
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at its max output it can take out the white titan, usually it's just at the level seen in F/SN.
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He wasn't trying to tank it. He was Saccing himself to preserve a stronger member of the team. A Tanking swap is something like switching your Snorlax in on a Fire Blast, Shirou switched his weak, Lv 6 Paras self in on it.
Plot Armor. Thy name is Avalon!
That aside Caligula i'm sure part of that is because of Madness Enhancement. So it's Territory Bonus + ME = One Angry Emperor.
And then there is his Love for Nero! Love is a great motivator! Just ask Spartacus!
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The problem was that Shirou was Destiny Bonded with the team carry Artoria, so it was a bad tactical decision either way.
Every now and again we forget some details and make a bad move. I can't tell you the number of times I forgot there was a Reflect in play or Rock types getting a SDef buff in Sandstorms. Don't even get me started on missclicks and derp plays (you ever switched out a +6 Def, SDef, Evasion, Substituted pokemon you meant to Baton Pass with? Feels bad man).
Shirou'll figure it out eventually.
Hercules should have Ex strength because he's famous for his impossible strength.
So would Sampson.
it is possible his 'strength' is more metaphorical in fate or something, since god hand is quite powerful. alternatively, it could be that since herc's berserker class is his worst class, even with mad enhancement his strength is but a fraction of what it would be at his fullest, there is precedent for strong enough characters being weaker as a servant than they were in life, cause all their various abilities and effects are split up between classes
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Nah. This is only for Heroic Spirits from the Age of the Gods and/or those with Divine attributes. More modern Heroic Spirits are more likely to be weaker when they were alive compared to when they were Servants, for example the author or inventor Servants. After all, they were just regular people, and now as Servants, they are at minimum E-Rank at every stat, which doesn't sound much until you realize that it means that tiny snarky Andersen is ten times stronger, faster, and more resilient than a human.
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In skill set they're probably more limited though because of the class containers.
It works better if you say that Caligula has A+ strength as an Authority side effect rather than as direct power.
Herc can punch a hole through a target because he's a literal railgun, Caligula can't do that because he isn't one, so instead of being hut by a railgun round Qligila makes you into a railgun round.
Or something
Herc can punch a hole through a target because he's a literal railgun, Caligula can't do that because he isn't one, so instead of being hut by a railgun round Qligila makes you into a railgun round.
Or something
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I think he talked about anyone who know how to fight, and wasn't adlibbing like a madman.
Sasaki says "HI!"
*But anon he is a wraith, not a real Servant*
*Me an intellectual*: "Meh, good enough for FRANCE!"
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I'm as frustrated by the fact that no one even remarks on it as I am that he actually has it. Like, Romani and Mash are more blown away by the fact Nero was a woman than they are the fact that Caligula is strong enough to literally blow them all away.
That's why, when Caligula does show up, I made sure to draw attention to it. Emiya even gets to compare it to fighting Herk.
That's why, when Caligula does show up, I made sure to draw attention to it. Emiya even gets to compare it to fighting Herk.
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Honestly sounds like a game balancing decision that they didn't think through the lore of.