Harry Potter and the Skittering Spouse

A thought just occursd to me, but Hedwig should likely be showing up sometime soon @Fencer from your past comments on her, so don't forget her either. It'll be interesting to see if Hedwig gets along well with Taylor, personally I don't see why she wouldn't. Taylor's on Harry's side so that should put her on Hedwig's good people list.
 
I've always put that sort of change over time down to teachers being Human.
Teacher make a mistakes, they teach those mistakes.
The people they taught grow up and become teachers, and teach what they learnt.
The practice spreads until it's the new normal.

This is generally what national standards is supposed to stop, however, over the last few decades it seems that "National Standards" has shifted to being another way to say "The minimum possible we can get away with teaching". Far too many schools don't even manage that much. Even when it is taught correctly, not everyone in the class learns what's being taught and some will misunderstand and misconstrue. The usage thus changes over time as the schools fail to actually teach the majority to do it correctly. Then of course you have those setting the "National Standards" seeing the shift in how it's being done, and instead of seeing the reality of it being due to a lack of proper education, they instead see a reason to lower the bar and shift the "National Standards" to show how "The language is constantly evolving and thus the Standards must move with the times" completely ignoring, intentionally or otherwise, the whole point of teaching a subject. Pretty sure in a few hundred years the language will have devolved into nothing more than variations on a grunt. Oh dear, seem the language will be ruled over by surly teenagers.

"y'all'd'nt've'd'd'I'd'nt've'd'y'all't've'd" anyone?
I can confirm that Linguists are on the "the language is constantly evolving and thus the standards must move with the times" side of the equation. Most linguists have long since accepted that trying to constrain language is an exercise in both futility and frustration and are actively pro-change.
 
The only languages where the 'rules' don't change over time are dead languages; languages that have no speakers with that language as their mother tongue. That or constructed languages, which arguably are by their nature, dead.

The 'rules' of a language, for the most part, describe what a native speaker internalises from growing up speaking that language.

The remainder are prescriptive rules that either were made from whole cloth, or are obscure things that are falling into disuse because they're used so infrequently an average child isn't exposed to them.

As an example of a made up rule; split infinitives; English doesn't have infinitives, they're Latin words that translate to multiple words in English; for example "to go", while a native English speaker will prefer "to boldly go" over "to go boldly".

For the latter, I expect collective nouns are going the way of the dodo , eg. A gaggle of geese, a murder of crows; there's a whole bunch more of them, but how many get used except because it's funny?

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On the actual topic of discussion, I think Taylor and Hedwig interacting might be interesting because unlike Harry and the other natives, Taylor is used to the idea that person != humanoid, and depending on interpretation, Hedwig isn't Harry's familiar, she's adopted a strange-looking owlet, or is the one sane woman, or... =)
 
A thought just occursd to me, but Hedwig should likely be showing up sometime soon @Fencer from your past comments on her, so don't forget her either. It'll be interesting to see if Hedwig gets along well with Taylor, personally I don't see why she wouldn't. Taylor's on Harry's side so that should put her on Hedwig's good people list.
Hm. This presents an amusing setup.

Owls. They're owls, yeah? Very owl-y, owls, prone to doing owl-like things. In fact, owls tend to be pretty good at being owls. They do things like snap their heads around very sharply to look at things, so look with great big eyes that seem to have a laser focus and seem to project a sharp intelligence that if unfriendly is quite difficult to miss, and generally project a very severe semblance and attention.

Harry, as it happens, is liable to have his owl around him sometimes. That's a thing that happens. He's also liable to have his wife around him sometimes. That's a thing that happens too. There, uh... Yeah, there could be some overlap.

So, imagine one, say, Draco, maybe, or whoever, really. Want to talk to Harry? When he and everyone else are all eating might be a good time to do it. Wander over, sidle on up to the table... and then Hedwig and Taylor Hebert turn to look in unison.

I think some people might find Taylor and Hedwig to be uncomfortably, unreasonably alike in some ways.

I can confirm that Linguists are on the "the language is constantly evolving and thus the standards must move with the times" side of the equation. Most linguists have long since accepted that trying to constrain language is an exercise in both futility and frustration and are actively pro-change.
There is distinction between organic mutation and propagation of ignorance, apathy, or stupidity. Yeah, language changes, constantly, to the point that most readers here could upon reflection find there to have actually been some significant shifts even just in the last decade. That is entirely separate from the fact that someone holding a position of authority saying that something is a certain way doesn't make it it "right" by any kind of arbitrary inherent virtue; such someone holding a nominal position of authority on the matter is fallible... and depressingly often either can't be bothered to invest in quality or has been largely set up for failure or at least disadvantage. So too, likewise, the argument that one option has no value beyond usage works both ways, not just in favour of newer contrariness, but some options do the job of language better than others.

Whether it's a matter of the distinction between making singular and plural nouns possessive, or the Oxford Comma, or if it's the difference between written notation for "its" and it's" like all the homophones for "there" or whatever, the purpose of language is to communicate ideas, and there are efficient, functional options that get meaning across concisely and without ambiguity, and options that don't do that. Linguistic options that do language better... are better at doing language, indeed.

If a given word ends in -s and has an apostrophe thrown onto the end of it to make it possessive, is it a case of a singular subject possessing something or a plural subject possessing something? Depending on the word, in some cases, there isn't a clear distinction, nor from the subject being used as a different type of word entirely and changing the meaning of the communication, all entirely unnecessary ambiguity. It's the exact same with the Oxford Comma and the other examples: one option works well, others work poorly, making them bad options that, for the sake of doing a good job of the role, don't work, and no amount of contrariness for whatever reason changes that; the one inflexible rule of language is communication.

Arguments of "lots of people do it" and "it's how I was taught" and the like miss the point. They don't make the position supported a good option, just one supported. Why might a given option be taken up, and what does it contribute? For the sake of a writer improving technical skill, there is a right way to do that and a wrong way to do that.

On the actual topic of discussion, I think Taylor and Hedwig interacting might be interesting because unlike Harry and the other natives, Taylor is used to the idea that person != humanoid, and depending on interpretation, Hedwig isn't Harry's familiar, she's adopted a strange-looking owlet, or is the one sane woman, or... =)
That presents an interesting consideration. This is not a Taylor from even later in her career where in canon she eventually ends up getting closer to individuals such as Dragon, but all the same, the cultural differences could be a not insubstantial factor, and one that might come up... well, all over the place, potentially, honestly.

This is the world of Harry Potter, and she's from Earth Bet.

Taylor is perfectly familiar with the idea of people like Case 53 individuals such as the local psychedelic orange monkey-ish boy with whom she fought alongside early on and found to indeed just sort of be a person who doesn't look quite the same as her. She likewise has a more unfortunate history with a both less and far more diverged ordinary girl and giant scary monster with a daunting crazed intelligence in Noelle/Echidna, and the hulking beast of a monster that was Crawler who was, inconveniently, indeed very much a who and a person, and just one that also happened to be a murderous asshole. Somewhat similar and quite different, too, the man who sometimes was a giant catlike lizard-y fire-spewing monster or the blender-wolf were sort of just normal fact of life for a long time.

But that was her world. Now, she's in some kind of fantasy land place.

I think Taylor stands to form some quite atypical perspectives out of a combination of ignorance and different, preconceived expectations.

She has already been faced with house elves, who, though quite thoroughly non-human, present a semblance of sort of just being another fantasy race of people around in this fantasy world. Goblins are a thing, too, though she doesn't yet know it, albeit with the caveat that she probably won't actually be terribly surprised to learn that, even if their preferred wardrobe might make her just sort of shrug and move on. This is, indeed, a fantasy world, overtly, almost insufferably so, and thus it has human witches and wizards people, goblin bankers in business suits, little house elf people who raise a lot of questions, apparently fae straight out of folklore who are somehow different from house elves and open up a lot more possibilities, and who knows what else?!

It turns out, there's even legal recognition of a "magical being" category separate from "magical creature." Though... that is also indeed a legal distinction.

So, what is Taylor to make of it if presented with other (not even necessarily living) things that seem to be a whole lot more intelligent than "just an animal" and yet not human? If Harry relates to her stories about Buckbeak and his all too typical misadventures, she might reasonably think that, though she might find it odd, there shouldn't be anything odd with just talking to the horse-bird like anyone else and expecting it to follow along with conversation even if it's one-sided. Hermione's cat may be around with the girl, too, on a similar note, and Taylor may be a little uncertain what to make of the fact that the cat apparently plotted and schemed Harry's godfather a while back in a complicated heist and intrigue, because, again, fantasy, it seems, tying into a similar issue of another, more disagreeable cat at Hogwarts that is an assistant to one of the staff or something. Hedwig, meanwhile, and all owls used by wizards, apparently, are likewise far smarter than what she used to consider normal.

If Taylor ends up observing the new students' first Transfiguration lesson without knowing what to expect, I think there's every possibility that Taylor in a position of looking at a cat sitting at the desk with all of the students seated and no human teacher in sight may well just figure that, being a fantasy world, whelp, guess the cat must be the teacher, then, huh? And if the cat shapeshifts... is Professor McGonagall a human who turns into a cat or a magic, intelligent, possibly talking cat that turns into a human?
 
There is distinction between organic mutation and propagation of ignorance, apathy, or stupidity.
Here's the issue: that is, in fact, organic mutation. Mutation is mistakes that build upon over a long period of time. There is no goal to it, no aim, no tracking of benefit or lack thereof, there's only change.

That is true in biology, and is still true in language. The main purpose of linguistics is cataloguing all of these changes and formulating a way to induce people into said language enough to be mutually comprehensible.
 
So, imagine one, say, Draco, maybe, or whoever, really. Want to talk to Harry? When he and everyone else are all eating might be a good time to do it. Wander over, sidle on up to the table... and then Hedwig and Taylor Hebert turn to look in unison.
Even better when both Hedwig and Taylor stop eating to turn their heads at the same rate, with both human and owl unblinking and literally pausing their chewing.
 
I must admit I did not expect to kick off a discussion on linguistical changes when I noted that "Tonk's" seemed misspelled... But maybe it shouldn't be in a thread meant to be about Taylor getting dumped in the wizarding world? And the sad part is the error is still in the chapter.
 
I must admit I did not expect to kick off a discussion on linguistical changes when I noted that "Tonk's" seemed misspelled... But maybe it shouldn't be in a thread meant to be about Taylor getting dumped in the wizarding world? And the sad part is the error is still in the chapter.
Two reason's it's still in the chapter. 1) I honestly find fixing tiny errors… not pointless, but not far off either. Part of that is ff.net being a dumpster fire and not wanting to deal with the issues of editing there but also not wanting to only edit one version and more than a bit of it is just built up apathy to small errors.
2) I've had about six different people weigh in with long rants declaring "this is the way!" And honestly you all lost me. Repeatedly.
 
Even better when both Hedwig and Taylor stop eating to turn their heads at the same rate, with both human and owl unblinking and literally pausing their chewing.
Better still, anyone on the receiving end of their twin stares stands to have a pretty good idea of what could be going on in their heads, the exact same thing shared between the two of them.

Taylor & Hedwig: Gonna pluck out those eyes...!

Given Taylor's parents nicknamed her Little Owl, I would not be surprised at all.
Well, if she's with Hedwig, she can't be the little owl, but on the other, "Big Owl" sounds like Taylor becomes some kind of very odd and quirky mobster. Though... that's not too far off from reality. Especially when she can entirely truthfully say that she's a criminal American who formed an alliance with the leader of Chicago's organised crime and doesn't like some of the people operating out of New York.
 
You know, Taylor and Harry really need to consummate regardless of how they feel about the marriage. They're opening themselves up for getting killed/tortured by just apparating incorrectly let alone someone acting maliciously.

Like, it's about as far from "sexy" as possible. But I can't imagine fresh-from-warlording Hebert not wanting to just gun and done it to eliminate weakness.
 
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I disagree, maybe Weaver right before becoming Khepri would be such a pragmatic and/or ruthless Taylor. But this Taylor, as she was until very recently Warlord Skitter, wasn't quite that cold in my reading of her as a character. Taylor was the Undersider who cared for orphans specifically, Lisa might've run a homeless shelter for everyone, but Taylor was the person who took in the abandoned kids. Warlord Skitter is complex, on the one hand she's a ruthless tyrant who rules with an iron fist. But if you go past the surface level optics it quickly becomes obvious she's a benevolent one. Still a tyrant, I won't deny that; but under Skitter you were safe as long as you followed her fairly basic rules.

So Taylor can be callous and calculating, but I don't think she's closed off her heart that much. She's just been betrayed so much that she isn't used to having someone that's pretty much on her side nearly unconditionally anymore. Regardless of anything else she's still a young woman who wants companionship and potentially romance, she hasn't cut that out of her life quite as thoroughly as later Taylors do.

So no, I don't think Taylor would just jump into bed with Harry. She has some time to get to know him, likely through this entire coming school year if she and Harry aren't reckless.
 
So no, I don't think Taylor would just jump into bed with Harry. She has some time to get to know him, likely through this entire coming school year if she and Harry aren't reckless.
She's also planning a war. One where she can't be more than six hundred feet away from one of the primary targets. I cannot imagine her giving the death eaters that kind of "do this and eliminate Potter" leverage. Hell, even schoolyard stuff could end up killing them.

Warlord Taylor is one of the more ruthless and stringent Taylors in part because she's never had to face her brutality or hypocrisy. She hasn't started therapy nor had the Chambers confrontation yet.
 
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For all we know at this point, Magic could decide that if one is apperated involuntary the other would be dragged along as if they where physically touching. Remember from what Taylor did in the hotel room Magic is the judge and rule maker, and we have no idea what it will decide.
 
She's also planning a war. One where she can't be more than six hundred feet away from one of the primary targets. I cannot imagine her giving the death eaters that kind of "do this and eliminate Potter" leverage. Hell, even schoolyard stuff could end up killing them.

That's just it though. She's planning for a war. She isn't going to be going out to fight for a while yet. She very much plans on forting up and preparing extensively and that's before heading off to Hogwarts, which is about two months away. Then she's going to be hitting the books and gathering as much knowledge as she can to combat her foes. Despite all the danger that Hogwarts has had in prior years it's still pretty freaking safe. Any fights she gets into before next June are going to be tiny one offs and scraps that aren't going to be of consequence for the most part. So again she has plenty of time to get to know Harry.

Taylor is very much going to have Kreacher, or potentially Dobby or Winky, go and do any shopping for them if they head to Grimmauld. They won't need to be going anywhere except maybe Ollivander and/or Gringotts. The first is arguably not the safest, but there are ways to keep the both of them safe like having Harry go there under his Cloak, but the second even Voldemort won't attack openly just yet. So again it's not like they're under threat at the moment. Taylor really has no reason to let Harry talk her into exposing themselves to the public. They are too much an easy target, and there are ways around it that they have easy access to. Taylor would see no need to go shopping personally when they can have someone trusted do it. She knows the art of delegation well.

For all we know at this point, Magic could decide that if one is apperated involuntary the other would be dragged along as if they where physically touching. Remember from what Taylor did in the hotel room Magic is the judge and rule maker, and we have no idea what it will decide.

Also very much this. It might be that Magic won't allow for them to be separated by others against their will, it could easily prevent that by not allowing transportation Magic to work at all. Like a set of personal Anti-Apparation Wards.
 
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It might be that Magic won't allow for them to be separated by others against their will, it could easily prevent that by not allowing transportation Magic to work at all. Like a set of personal Anti-Apparation Wards
On the other hand, Harry has a history with suddenly-portkey. And they have no reason other than wishful thinking to believe that it would either fail outright or take Taylor along too.
 
Wow, haven't seen one of these in a long time.
I know right? This is me doing the writer equivalent of hold my beer. Run into a terribad premise often enough see terrible early death stories and eventually I basically hit the point of enough. Let me show you how to salvage this. It was stewing as an idea for awhile and one day I just pounded out the first post on a whim. Reader response was positive muse was willing so here we are with me juggling yet another fic.
 
Also very much this. It might be that Magic won't allow for them to be separated by others against their will, it could easily prevent that by not allowing transportation Magic to work at all. Like a set of personal Anti-Apparation Wards.
That's a very unsupported "if" with dire consequences if they gamble wrong. We've already seen in story them worried about floo'ing and having them have to do simultaneous apparition to avoid triggering the punishment clause.

Harry has been kidnapped before and could easily be again. You don't even need transportation magic to do it. You can literally just stun one of them and walk away. Leaving that option to get enemies when she have an out that, while not necessarily 'easy', is entirely within her power is incredibly ooc for Taylor to not seriously consider. The girl is a master for a reason she has serious control issues.
 

True, it is a risk, but Taylor has already pondered on this issue in story and decided against it. Again this Taylor is going through a lot, and has been cut off from everyone and everything she cared about completely. It's entirely in character for her not to consumate her marriage given that they're safe for the time being to my eyes. I get the impression that you're thinking of Post Timeskip Weaver Taylor who has been hardened and changed thoroughly by fighting for two years and preparing for the End of the World while fighting at every Endbringer battle. This Taylor isn't that one. This one is the one that just went through two or three months of pretty much constant fighting in Brockton Bay starting from her first night out and just surrendered to the PRT. There were a couple weeks of downtime total I think. So again she's not that cold and calculating yet to my reading of her as a character. Ruthless sure, but not that unemotional.

Also we've only been seeing things from the perspective of Taylor and Harry so far. Dumbledore isn't likely to have just left the two of them at the Burrow without an unseen guard or six. Partially to protect Harry and Taylor of course, but also to observe her. Taylor's very much an unknown and her being tied to Harry is going to change everything.
 
And when a certain someone with sticky fingers falls asleep while on duty...

I think he's going to end up feeling rather stung. :drevil:
 
Binged, and watched.

He, he... Taylor in HP, the Death Eaters won't know what hit them...
...mainly because they simply can't grok that yes, guns can actually kill wizards, never mind the acromantulas.

Also, when she does ventilate a few I want to see someone quip to the effect of "she's American, what did you expect".
 
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