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Harry Potter and the Scabbard of Excalibur [AU]

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Birdsie said:
I do not personally "weigh in" on anything. The opinion you describe is Harry's. Were I the one making the choice for him, I certainly wouldn't trust anyone enough to share my secrets. Harry feels bad at the prospect of keeping Neville in the dark, however. Whether this is Neville manipulating your sympathy or Harry being naive is up to intepretation.
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I, okay, good to know.

The crux of the matter is that any opinion expressed in the voting prompt itself is going to be given an undue amount of weight, especially if it's negative. Whether it's you, or "the narrator" or Harry himself, doesn't really matter. Especially since I'm likely not the only one being mistaken on who's writing the voting prompts.
 
Decided to go with the main vote, but with an additional add on. I think Geist will advise Harry to not tell Neville anything of importance, but sharing Harry's vision of Arthur and Merlin seems both a) reasonably safe, and b) a fair trade for Neville's vision, and c) a good idea in case there's critical information that needs to be shared in it somewhere.

Also I think not learning some things from one another would be a wasted opportunity, even if we don't want to share the really illegal stuff.

[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy.
-[X] You could at least tell him about your vision, and ask if he would like to teach one another some of the things you've learned beyond the curriculum.

[X] Confess: I Am Chosen - "I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but it'd make sense, given my past history."
 
We had a bit of a brainstorming earlier about the heirs. Couldn't we use the Star of the Chosen to track down or identify the others? If it works on Neville and us then it should work on them too. It's about time we attempted our first major Astrological undertaking. And we would have Neville helping us this time, as well as Ornias if we choose to resummon him before the convocation.

We have the Marauder's map now too, maybe it could used in conjunction with the rite as well. The sooner we find the heir of slytherin the faster we can nab the green ring.

Neville is the suspected Ravenclaw sage.
Harry we know is Hufflepuff lord
Draco possibly is Griffindor Champion and Daphne Slytherin Heir?
Or the sleeping girl is the Champion
Hermione or Ron doesn't have particularly suspicous traits so far. It could easily be people beyond our peer group as well.

Any thoughts about the Ring of Hufflepuff?
 
I think Neville proved his bravery by taking on the dungeon menace by himself. He definitely glossed over some stuff. So, the Grffindor ring came to him.

He solved the Ravenclaw's astrological puzzle and tracked down her Ring.

The Slytherin ring is in Chamber of Secrets, which is the heir's exclusive domain should they have Parseltongue and perhaps something to do with cunning?

So my hypothesis is that the Hufflepuff Ring will have a test of loyality to Hogwarts. Or maybe something to do with the Kitchen and House-elves because Helga was in charge of them.
 
Hufflepuff is all about working together, so maybe we just need to ask for help? It might be something that's only likely to be found by the House working together, or at least the inner circle.
 
So come next update we come clean about the prophecies and enlist the entire Inner Circle Hufflepuffs on a mission to find the House's ring?

Despite how easily Harry had been accepted in their midst I don't think we have quite that much clout yet (rather haven't reached our potenial clout level) We would need proof about such a claim. Memory charms and legilimency comes to mind, but Neville could be immune and Harry has no memory of the nightmares.

And even if we did convince them of our Chosen one staus it could end up changing relationship dynamics to an uncomfortable territoy for the duo.

We'll need to come up with a fiction so they'd buy it. Maybe if we hit the Library on lore about the rings first. I bet Hermione would also look up the Ravenclaw tower Library on our behalf.
 
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_brightwing said:
So come next update we come clean about the prophecies and enlist the entire Inner Circle Hufflepuffs on a mission to find the House's ring?

Despite how easily Harry had been accepted in their midst I don't think we have quite that much clout yet (rather haven't reached our potenial clout level) We would need proof about such a claim. Memory charms and legilimency comes to mind, but Neville could be immune and Harry has no memory of the nightmares.

And even if we did convince them of our Chosen one staus it could end up changing relationship dynamics to an uncomfortable territoy for the duo.

We'll need to come up with a fictional story so they'd buy it. Maybe if we hit the Library on lore about the rings first. I bet Hermione would also look up the Ravenclaw tower Library on our behalf.
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We might not need everyone, we could start with the keeper of the cup and go from there based on what he knows.

However, we should run it by Neville first. It's his secret and we should respect his decisions unless we have a very compelling reason not to.
 
It could be something esoteric too like convincing all of the outer circle Hufflepuffs to join the Inner Circle and fill the quota for Ring of control for the Lord to pop out of the Chalice. This is wild mass guessing though.

We should devote all our time next round on the Astrology rite and getting people to research the lore of the Rings. Maybe we'll be able to activate the Ravenclaw Ring for Neville too once we know what it does.
 
_brightwing said:
So come next update we come clean about the prophecies and enlist the entire Inner Circle Hufflepuffs on a mission to find the House's ring?

Despite how easily Harry had been accepted in their midst I don't think we have quite that much clout yet (rather haven't reached our potenial clout level) We would need proof about such a claim. Memory charms and legilimency comes to mind, but Neville could be immune and Harry has no memory of the nightmares.

And even if we did convince them of our Chosen one staus it could end up changing relationship dynamics to an uncomfortable territoy for the duo.

We'll need to come up with a fiction so they'd buy it. Maybe if we hit the Library on lore about the rings first. I bet Hermione would also look up the Ravenclaw tower Library on our behalf.
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I don't think it's worth spreading widely about our status as the chosen one, given how strong our enemies are.
It is quite possible that the ancients sent their champions (Neville I'm looking at you) to confront us, and such an early discovery of the status could put us all in danger.
 
Maybe we shouldn't ask for help in this matter, but just have to make the whole inner circle make sure of our reliability.
Of course, it's not particularly difficult, but the rest of the rings are not hidden so much, so why should the Huffpuff ring be hidden otherwise.
 
The Slytherin Ring is definitely hidden; the Ravenclaw Ring was in an unassuming location that all but required analyzing the milennial supernova to understand. I fully expect some kind of Hufflepuff-associated route is required to find the Hufflepuff Ring.
 
I suppose we could call Neville out on the obvious.

"You haven't explained how you're so far ahead of the curve."
 
Let's just do a study of the four founders by connecting our friends. After all, we are now making assumptions based on the canon, in which there were two words about Helga.
P.S. Another oddity of Neville, how did he know that the supernova is connected with the mission?
Had the lady in the dream told him? If so, why didn't she tell him about the other rings? Maybe he had a vision, like the sage Ravenclaw, why didn't he tell it to us? And if he managed to find out from the ghost of the Gray Lady, then the same questions remain?
 
Oh now there's one resource we haven't plumbed - the Hufflepuff House ghost! The Friar had been around forever, he'd have definitely heard about or seen the ring.
 
I think Nevilles story is probably true. Harry doesn't remember the !Dementor's speech, and this isn't just because of the dreams thing- Harry was awake at the time. And Geist clearly didn't remember it either or he'd've believed Neville wasn't Just bullshitting immediately. The only part which remembers the speech is harries metaphysical overself- Us. Given that, Neville would have to be more than just evil to make this as a lie- he would have to be evil, know we've heard about the guardians and ancients before, and know that our highest level of decision making still remembers this even though harrys actual words don't at all. It would effectively have to be a lie directed at us the players and I don't recall any references to our role except arguably by the !Dementor- or any reason to believe Neville would know about that role in anything resembling the detail needed for strategic deception.

Edit: wait, how would harry even know if he's chosen or not?
 
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Geist have told him multiple times that he is Chosen. Ancients doesn't necessarily have to be evil, they could be two factions with opposing values or something. I suspect we'll eventually find things out on a deeper level to reach a decision on where to throw our lot.
 
[X] Keep Yourself Obscure
[X] Don't reveal your secrets to him

I change my mind there are too many suspicious things going on with Neville to trust him right now

Neville finding the Gryffindor ring randomly on the dungeon floor makes no sense, The Ravenclaw ring if he is telling the truth was hidden in a star till the right time it was need and if Geist is right the Slytherin ring is in the chamber of secrets a place only the hair could get to so why on earth would the Gryffindor ring be just lying on the dungeon floor while the other two are in protected places
Some people have theorised that Hecate put the Gryffindor ring on the floor but she has been asleep since before Harry's parents were killed when harry was 1 so she could not have done it before going to sleep or someone would have picked it up by now

She also could not have done so after she woke up because Neville found the ring while she was still asleep

One of the perks of being the Lord of Hufflepuff is that we don't remember our dreams meaning that it's better for us not to remember them for some reason but why?

Nevilles dream seams purely beneficial because without it we won't get all the ring before the time limit or even know we must collect the rings in the first place

Are our dreams different then Nevilles or would they be the same
If they are the same (and there is a fair chance they would be given we are both the chosen ones of semaning the same prophesy) then the fact not geting them is a advantage puts how trust worthy the dreams are in to question
It's possible the guardians are the bad guys or that they are the good guys but the women talking to Neville is lying about being one or that Neville is lying about having that dream or what he really dreamed about
How did Neville know about the super nova that had the ring in it?
If the supposed guardian told him about it you would think he would of said so but he didn't so that mean he probably knows because of some other reason

also why did he bring us with him because when you think about it we never really did anything to help him (that we know) and he was trying to keep this stuff a secret at the time but brought us anyways its possible the supernova would not have happened without us their but not if he was their which implies he is not suppose to be able to get it

Neville being able to remember the different plants in the dream is not proof of him being the Sage either because the way he says it clearly show that that level of memory recall is not normal for him since he clearly say the fact he could remember them was one of the thing that made the dream special and abnormal for him
 
Some people have theorised that all the four hairs are chosen ones but i don't think they are

Birdsie has so far only talk about two people being the chosen ones Harry and Neville not about their being four chosen ones

The chosen ones and the heirs of the Founders can be two serpent things

The chosen ones can be the champions of the guardians and the ancients which could explain why there are two of them so Neville could be the ancients champion whether he knows it or not while we could be the champion of the guardians

Neville or the one(s) manipulating him would not need to know about the shade/ghost/whatever we saw, Just what Neville told us assuming we knew nothing of the guardians and ancients would be enough to trick us
 
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[X] Confess: I Am Chosen - "I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but it'd make sense, given my past history."
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy.
 
Does not admitting Chosen One status automatically preclude telling Neville our secrets?

It would make sense due to not trusting him, but I'd rather ask.
 
I think it would be best to hide our secrets from Neville right now

If we have to tell him about them later we can just say we were scared some one would have read his mind and find out

Even if he does not except that excuse i think taking the relationship hit would be worth it for the extra safety we would get right now
 
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