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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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BronzeTongue said:
@DragonParadox is occult five enough to give us an idea what kind of relationship, if any, exalted hell has to DF Christian hell?
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The nature of exaltation is beyond the scope of any simple skill level, those are secrets lost to time that will take quests to uncover (being that you have the Urge of the Forbidden odds are you will look eventually). That said you know the themes of your charms come from a hell that does not belong to the Fallen.
 
BronzeTongue said:
The fey gimmick isn't quite a binding oath either in some cases. If you break an agreement to them without terms on punishment then it basically turns into a generic thaumaturgical link to you.

There's a scene early on where Mab herself decides to show up in Dresden's office to announce she owned his (very substantial) debt to lesser Sidhe now.

She demonstrates this by body jacking him and making him put a letter opener into part of his hand.

No save, no existing geas hanging off his soul from the previous agreement. Not even the slight warning that something had changed. He owed her so she could just do shit to him now.
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Hmm, there are Charms that could handle this. Firstly, the Wicked City Charm, Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy

Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy (•••••)
Whenever the universe dares to mar the Infernal's immaculate and ideal self, she may exert her will to reset herself to her default state of perfection.
System: Whenever the character is the subject of any supernatural power that seeks to transform, infect, taint, transport, or control her body or spirit, she may reflexively spend 1 Essence or 1 Willpower and roll Willpower against difficulty 7. Success undoes the hostile magic before it can finish affecting the Infernal, protecting her completely, and immunizes her against repeated attempts to exert the same sort of influence for the rest of the scene.
Alternately, the Infernal can spend 1 Essence to radically accelerate her healing for 24 hours. So long as she takes no strenuous activity, the Infernal heals all bashing damage or one level of lethal damage per 15 minutes of rest. An hour of rest mends one level of aggravated damage.
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Shaping defense (Shaping in this case is the manipulation of things [both living and dead] by other, often times forced) is bread and parcel of Exalted and so we are able to withstood against it.

Alternatively the Hell of Being Flayed Alive is another really good choice with Freedom Lets Go:

Freedom Lets Go (•)
The Infernal can no more be entrapped by the machinations and curses of others than can be the wind itself. Should she become so encumbered, she attaches these unwanted impediments to a little piece of her soul, casts it into the flaying winds of Hell, and laughs at her own freedom.
System: Whenever the character is afflicted with a curse, transformation, mental effect, or other unwanted mystical burden (such as a vampire's use of Dominate or Vicissitude, or a Thaumaturgic curse), she may attach the effect to one of her Intimacies, pay 1 Essence, and shed herself of both the effect and the Intimacy. The character can still assign a new Intimacy at the end of the current story, but cannot restore an Intimacy sacrificed to this Charm.
Signature Effect: Anyone who witnesses the Infernal don her Shintai form is forced to partake in her freedom. They must choose to give up one of the following: a memory, an emotional connection, or a possession(not necessarily one that they have on them at the time).If they pay 1 Willpower, they may also choose what specific thing is lost; if not, the Storyteller decides. The lost thing is carried away on the flaying winds of Hell.
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So any Geas that tries to screw with us can get screwed back by flaying a part of our soul from said pact. Breaking oaths is part and parcel of being an Infernal, it's what they are made for.
DragonParadox said:
The nature of exaltation is beyond the scope of any simple skill level, those are secrets lost to time that will take quests to uncover (being that you have the Urge of the Forbidden odds are you will look eventually). That said you know the themes of your charms come from a hell that does not belong to the Fallen.
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If anything, Molly should've recognized that these Hells are more akin to the Buddhist hells. She might think she has contracted an eastern Raksasha or Daeva.
 
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DragonParadox said:
It should be taken into account though that while the Freedom Lets Go is very powerful it comes with very real costs to the exalt's personal life and general humanity.
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Flight of fancy with a side of casual murder is very Adorjani. I'm not saying it is not without cost, it's just an option whenever we are in a precarious situation where disobedience can cost us our life.
 
Artemis1992 said:
We can't restore the sacrificed intimacy, though we could pick a new one.
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This is what I interpreted as regrowing the soul fragment as in we have a new piece that is equal to the old piece though not a copy of the old piece kind of like how axolotls regrow limbs if the new limb had the same amount of appendages in slightly different places than the original.
This was very a very confusing explanation to give to a person who already understands what I'm trying to explain.
 
CorruptedKing said:
This is what I interpreted as regrowing the soul fragment as in we have a new piece that is equal to the old piece though not a copy of the old piece kind of like how axolotls regrow limbs if the new limb had the same amount of appendages in slightly different places than the original.
This was very a very confusing explanation to give to a person who already understands what I'm trying to explain.
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Indeed, it is quite similar to such an analogy.

Intimacies are concepts, people, and ways of life that we believe and care about. For example, if we use Freedom Lets Go to break out of an oath and attached it to: "My Pet Dog (Warm Affection)". The bond that you have with your dog will forever be destroyed. Sure, you can still care for it. But it will not receive the same intensity and quality as your bond before. You can make a new Intimacy after a Story Arc is over similar to the one you lost like: "Canines (Comfort)". You would still love dogs. But it would be all dogs in general, not your dog specifically. Never your dog specifically.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Breaking oaths is part and parcel of being an Infernal, it's what they are made for.
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In this setting that's a really bad idea.

The supernatural world has a bit of a thing about oaths and the value of one's word, because it's one of the few touchstones that allows very different actors to interact without violence.

It's even formalized to an extent through the Unseelie Accords, an agreement that the winter court negotiated which describes all sorts of basic expectations for interactions between signatories.

Being a known oathbreaker would be bad for business, even if we avoid magical consequences.
 
So get it for a last resort and stick with Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy mostly though from its description I assume there's a chance to fail EIPP and that's a reason to have Freedom Lets Go (POG!)
 
Ego Infusing Pattern Primacy only works for a single scene, which is great if you want to turn to someone who holds a geas on you and punch them in the face, but not so great if you want to be rid of it long term.
 
You're not wrong. Even in 2e Exalted, most Infernals (that aren't of the Ebon Dragon variety) don't exactly fit the whole mould of villains and warlords of hell. Words are honoured, even there. The Solar Eclipse Anima Power and Abyssal Moonshadow Anima Power work around binding spirits and elementals to achieve good accord with them.

Breaking it wholesale is very rare, and even if it did, it is usually done by Solars and Infernals. Infernals because they have the ability to do so. Now the inclination to be treacherous or escaping consequences is very different.

Solars on the other hand... well, let's just say these Gilded Heroes of Old were known as Creation's number one monsters for good reasons.
 
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CorruptedKing said:
I assume if we were a solar at some point we'd probably be able to 1v1 medb and win however far into the future that would be given that I remember something about solars killing some of the yozis
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If we are a Solar with full power with Creation-tier ambient magical energy. No kidding, you can kill just about anything. Dawn Caste Solar Exalted have these as their motto: "Above and beyond the rest of the Lawgivers, Solars of the Dawn Caste were made for one thing: war. Combat is their imperative, conflict is their instinct, and killing is their birthright."

An Essence 5 Dawn Solar can kill legions of gods and rampaging titans. I have done the test. They can accrue 2,000 Successes with Essence 5 Charms for killing purposes.
 
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Huh, I just realized. Harry is a good candidate for Lunar Exaltation, isn't he? What with his proclivities to always be a breath's away from death's door and always surviving nonetheless. Or Abyssal if his luck has truly run out and he becomes a Champion of the Dead.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Huh, I just realized. Harry is a good candidate for Lunar Exaltation, isn't he? What with his proclivities to always be a breath's away from death's door and always surviving nonetheless. Or Abyssal if his luck has truly run out and he becomes a Champion of the Dead.
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holy shit abyssal harry vs outsiders

was about to post questioning how hard it would be for us to fight outsiders
 
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So, seeing as I am very much a noob with Dresden Lore. Can any of you more knowledgeable tell me what sort of threats and magical effects we might encounter/fight against in the foreseeable future? Much like the "Breaking against unwanted oaths", I can try and find us Charms that may help us defend against those someday.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
If we are a Solar with full power with Creation-tier ambient magical energy. No kidding, you can kill just about anything. Dawn Caste Solar Exalted have these as their motto: "Above and beyond the rest of the Lawgivers, Solars of the Dawn Caste were made for one thing: war. Combat is their imperative, conflict is their instinct, and killing is their birthright."

An Essence 5 Dawn Solar can kill legions of gods and rampaging titans. I have done the test. They can accrue 2,000 Successes with Essence 5 Charms for killing purposes.
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Story-wise even the Solars died en masse when taking on the Titans.

They managed to wear them down by reincarnating and killing their greater demon-aspects.
 
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