Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I don't want to use the Slave Dimension extra, but starting with a population of loyal humans or devils is only sensible, if we want to make something from our Hell.

After all we made the place, why shouldn't we be the first mayor?

If our rule is shit, the low-level loyalty won't save us from rebellion, but I doubt we'd be that bad.
I know im not gonna convince you. Well it would be more accurate to say I know im not gonna convince anybody.

Not the infinite demons, not the humans living there.
Like jumping right to the most reprehensible example possible.
 
Well, not that it matters to us.

We won't have a powerful soul-hierarchy to effectivly rule for us, so we have to prevent rebellion the old fashioned way, being a decent (or absent) ruler.
I assume an effective (and complicated) bureaucracy would be part of an advanced culture? Though maybe technology as well.

Modern (Cost: None): The Realm's inhabitants have a highly developed social system, with intricate politics and a robust body of law.
 
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I assume an effective (and complicated) bureaucracy would be part of an advanced culture? Though maybe technology as well.
Yeah, what I mean by soul-hierarchy is having the 1st and 2nd Circles from Malfeas and his colleagues rule, the ones who can't turn against their master due to being part of them.

Of course our Hell, if it is inhabited, should have a decently modern structure of goverment so it can get along without us. We have to spend a lot of time outside our private hell after all.
 
Yeah, what I mean by soul-hierarchy is having the 1st and 2nd Circles from Malfeas and his colleagues rule, the ones who can't turn against their master due to being part of them.

Of course our Hell, if it is inhabited, should have a decently modern structure of goverment so it can get along without us. We have to spend a lot of time outside our private hell after all.
We do honestly. Without time dilation its one day out for every day in.

Assuming we can even effectively run a (whatever size we pick) society with our skills.

Though I wonder if Usum would show up there? That was part of a version of the world body charms I think.
 
Completly different topic, but much closer to our current state: Shintai-Time!

I propose the following:

Glorious Emerald Princess that can survive Dresden setting the block on fire

Demon Emperor Shintai
The character assumes a towering, monstrous form such as a fifteen-foot-tall colossus of living stone and flame, a whirling constellation of mansized crystalline spheres crackling with lightning, or a massive suit of ancient armor inhabited only by the burning light of the Infernal's anima. This form adds two dice to all soak rolls, and reduces the difficulty of soak rolls by one.

With this stat-bonus:
Strength +3, Dexterity +2, Stamina +3, Appearance 0

And the follwing Aspects:
Demon Armor: Increases Soak by +2 Dice
Flight: What it says
Hardened Devil Body: +3 Bruised Health levels
Hardiness (Heat): Immune to environmental damage, movement restrictions and penalties from a specific environment, in case of working with Harry that should obviously be "burning buildings".

With this combined we have a soak-pool of 10 dice at reduced difficulty, so we can tank an average of about 5 damage per attack. That means you have to hit pretty damn hard to hurt us at all, common men with knifes or guns have barely any chance. The additional health-levels also mean that an enemy would have to deal 6 health-levels of damage to us before we take any penalties at all (Edit: That is enough damage to leave a mortal crippled and helpless).
Oh, and with our increased DEX we can also defend ourselves better to avoid getting hurt in the first place and Flight allows us to leave the situation if it becomes too troublesome.

Aesthetically, I see no reason to diverge too far from the classics, a titan of stone and green flame with wings of brass for example, maybe wielding our current sword as the head of a large glaive?
 
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Well since the place is inside your soul and he is part of your soul I think he should be able to show up there yeah, though if you leave him in there long term you would be without your sword and the other benefits of the Demonic Guide since he cannot multitask like that.

Anyway Vote closed, let's get strategizing.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 9, 2022 at 2:40 AM, finished with 119 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Plan: Explore your Options
    -[X] "Okay, okay, we're getting ahead of ourselves, let's step back for a moment, look at the whole thing, and figure out how we can sort this out without anyone needing to come under threat of death or damnation"
    --[X] "The problem at hand is that I did Black Magic, and the White Council takes a 'Zero Tolerance' policy towards that, due to the effects said Black Magic have, the fact that the situation has changed doesn't matter, because they don't want to get in the habit of making exceptions, because Black Magic is both addictive and tends to drag people into doing more and more evil things. Actually making said exceptions requires someone to stick their neck out for you, and doesn't actually get you off the hook either. You can do that, but you have enough enemies who'd take advantage of it that it would meaningfully limit your own options. Let's put a pin on that, but I don't want you to have to stick your neck out if we have another solution, right?"
    ---[X] "Now, I'm guessing the White Council doesn't have the right to just go around and kill everyone who uses magical stuff in a way they don't like. The very fact that we just got out of a crisis where a nasty faerie spirit was doing spooky magic things, and there's not a state of open war between them and the White Council. So why is it that they're not enforcing their take on the Laws there? Is it just because Winter is scary and they're being bullies? Or is there a jurisdiction thing going on that we can work with? Who is the White Council unwilling to cross to enforce the laws?. Is it that their jurisdiction begins and ends with Practicioners? In which case, there's a good argument to be made that I don't count as one anymore--I don't even know I can use magic the same way that I used to. Is it political? Diplomatic? The point is knowing who it is they can and can't punish, and we can figure out a solution from there, if we can't... Well, we can fall back to your option--but I don't want to get you in trouble like this unless there's no other way forward."
    [X] Fine, you will do what he thinks is best
    [X] Gently Try to Explain You Aren't Using Magic Like A Mortal Would, Thus Reporting You Would Be A Waste Of Time
    -[X] "The Laws Apply to Mortals who use Magic, Life Itself, you just called it. But I don't think...I'm using that? I'm using something else. Its like...The Exaltation, when I accepted it, when I took it up, I could feel it. Feel Her. This new part of my Soul...It's not bound up in cause and effect, it's Paracausal in a way. It's...drawing power from The God I Will Become, maybe? The One I Would Become at the Turning Of The Age. I'm not totally sure just yet, I can know if I look but my theory is I'm closer to being My Own Paladin than a Normal Wizard. At least now."
    [x] First lets check if I can actually still do magic before deciding anything. What little I have picked up indicates that the prior people that had this power didn't need to draw power from outside themselves to do magic.


This might weird out out Harry more than the Lash related basement comment. Seventeen year olds are not normally supposed to plot like that

Future Demon Empresses on the other hand... ;)
 
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Well since the place is inside your soul and he is part of your soul I think he should be able to show up there yeah, though if you leave him in there long term you would be without your sword and the other benefits of the Demonic Guide since he cannot multitask like that.
Can we just have him around in our Kingdom while we're also there, and inside ourself when we're outside?
 
Completly different topic, but much closer to our current state: Shintai-Time!

I propose the following:

Glorious Emerald Princess that can survive Dresden setting the block on fire

Demon Emperor Shintai
The character assumes a towering, monstrous form such as a fifteen-foot-tall colossus of living stone and flame, a whirling constellation of mansized crystalline spheres crackling with lightning, or a massive suit of ancient armor inhabited only by the burning light of the Infernal's anima. This form adds two dice to all soak rolls, and reduces the difficulty of soak rolls by one.

With this stat-bonus:
Strength +3, Dexterity +2, Stamina +3, Appearance 0

And the follwing Aspects:
Demon Armor: Increases Soak by +2 Dice
Flight: What it says
Hardened Devil Body: +3 Bruised Health levels
Hardiness (Heat): Immune to environmental damage, movement restrictions and penalties from a specific environment, in case of working with Harry that should obviously be "burning buildings".

With this combined we have a soak-pool of 10 dice at reduced difficulty, so we can tank an average of about 5 damage per attack. That means you have to hit pretty damn hard to hurt us at all, common men with knifes or guns have barely any chance. The additional health-levels also mean that an enemy would have to deal 6 health-levels of damage to us before we take any penalties at all.
Oh, and with our increased DEX we can also defend ourselves better to avoid getting hurt in the first place and Flight allows us to leave the situation if it becomes too troublesome.

Aesthetically, I see no reason to diverge too far from the classics, a titan of stone and green flame with wings of brass for example, maybe wielding our current sword as the head of a large glaive?
Its very cheeky to be this resistant to both ice and fire.

Well since the place is inside your soul and he is part of your soul I think he should be able to show up there yeah, though if you leave him in there long term you would be without your sword and the other benefits of the Demonic Guide since he cannot multitask like that.
If he can get stuff done its probably worth it.

And I suspect he might be... He might enjoy having limbs, and a body, and the ability to move freely again.
 
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Well since the place is inside your soul and he is part of your soul I think he should be able to show up there yeah, though if you leave him in there long term you would be without your sword and the other benefits of the Demonic Guide since he cannot multitask like that.

Anyway Vote closed, let's get strategizing.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 9, 2022 at 2:40 AM, finished with 119 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Plan: Explore your Options
    -[X] "Okay, okay, we're getting ahead of ourselves, let's step back for a moment, look at the whole thing, and figure out how we can sort this out without anyone needing to come under threat of death or damnation"
    --[X] "The problem at hand is that I did Black Magic, and the White Council takes a 'Zero Tolerance' policy towards that, due to the effects said Black Magic have, the fact that the situation has changed doesn't matter, because they don't want to get in the habit of making exceptions, because Black Magic is both addictive and tends to drag people into doing more and more evil things. Actually making said exceptions requires someone to stick their neck out for you, and doesn't actually get you off the hook either. You can do that, but you have enough enemies who'd take advantage of it that it would meaningfully limit your own options. Let's put a pin on that, but I don't want you to have to stick your neck out if we have another solution, right?"
    ---[X] "Now, I'm guessing the White Council doesn't have the right to just go around and kill everyone who uses magical stuff in a way they don't like. The very fact that we just got out of a crisis where a nasty faerie spirit was doing spooky magic things, and there's not a state of open war between them and the White Council. So why is it that they're not enforcing their take on the Laws there? Is it just because Winter is scary and they're being bullies? Or is there a jurisdiction thing going on that we can work with? Who is the White Council unwilling to cross to enforce the laws?. Is it that their jurisdiction begins and ends with Practicioners? In which case, there's a good argument to be made that I don't count as one anymore--I don't even know I can use magic the same way that I used to. Is it political? Diplomatic? The point is knowing who it is they can and can't punish, and we can figure out a solution from there, if we can't... Well, we can fall back to your option--but I don't want to get you in trouble like this unless there's no other way forward."
    [X] Fine, you will do what he thinks is best
    [X] Gently Try to Explain You Aren't Using Magic Like A Mortal Would, Thus Reporting You Would Be A Waste Of Time
    -[X] "The Laws Apply to Mortals who use Magic, Life Itself, you just called it. But I don't think...I'm using that? I'm using something else. Its like...The Exaltation, when I accepted it, when I took it up, I could feel it. Feel Her. This new part of my Soul...It's not bound up in cause and effect, it's Paracausal in a way. It's...drawing power from The God I Will Become, maybe? The One I Would Become at the Turning Of The Age. I'm not totally sure just yet, I can know if I look but my theory is I'm closer to being My Own Paladin than a Normal Wizard. At least now."
    [x] First lets check if I can actually still do magic before deciding anything. What little I have picked up indicates that the prior people that had this power didn't need to draw power from outside themselves to do magic.


This might weird out out Harry more than the Lash related basement comment. Seventeen year olds are not normally supposed to plot like that

Future Demon Empresses on the other hand... ;)

I mean, this is amateur hour plotting, just straight up "Wait up, let's actually put our options on the table and see if we can find one that doesn't get someone screwed over." I like portraying this Molly as having a lot of power, but an acute awareness that things should have gone awfully but for the grace of God and she doesn't want to be in that position ever again. So she's trying to learn to be more thoughtful.

That this is also fitting her increased attributes is just icing on the cake, and a nice way of portraying it.
 
I mean, this is amateur hour plotting, just straight up "Wait up, let's actually put our options on the table and see if we can find one that doesn't get someone screwed over." I like portraying this Molly as having a lot of power, but an acute awareness that things should have gone awfully but for the grace of God and she doesn't want to be in that position ever again. So she's trying to learn to be more thoughtful.

That this is also fitting her increased attributes is just icing on the cake, and a nice way of portraying it.
How much planning does Dresden usually do?
 
Arc 0 Post 18: Paths Narrow and Steep
Paths Narrow and Steep

5th of July 2006 A.D.

Breathe Molly, the crusty old wizard government is not going to change its laws because you ask them to, even if you are right. Alas Harry's eyes do not move an inch from your face when you do it, but them's the breaks. "Okay, okay, we're getting ahead of ourselves, let's step back for a moment, look at the whole thing, and figure out how we can sort this out without anyone needing to come under threat of death or damnation"

"Alright," he seems a little startled by your sudden turn, but that is way better than the condescending 'let the adults handle it' attitude. You are going to be eighteen in November and you made this mess so you are going to do everything in your power to make sure you do not drag other people down with you.

"The problem at hand is that I did Black Magic, and the White Council takes a 'Zero Tolerance' policy towards that, due to the effects said Black Magic have, the fact that the situation has changed doesn't matter, because they don't want to get in the habit of making exceptions, because Black Magic is both addictive and tends to drag people into doing more and more evil stuff. Actually making said exceptions requires someone to stick their neck out for you, and doesn't actually get you off the hook either. You can do that, but you have enough enemies who'd take advantage of it that it would meaningfully limit your own options. Let's put a pin on that, but I don't want you to have to stick your neck out if we have another solution, right?"

"Hold on there," He rubs his temples again. How long had it been since he had a proper night's sleep? His eyes are a lot of things, but well rested is clearly not one of them "I can practically hear Lasciel talking in that, thinking that the Council are all a bunch of schemers and most of them are out for my neck in particular. Most wizards are homebodies who stick close to their labs and their interests don't go sticking their heads in other people's affairs and I've got my own friends on the Council."

"OK, first off I did not ask her for advice, this is all me." If not quite the 'me' that got out of bed this morning, you admit mentally. You are pretty sure you did not have the ability to put a freak out on ice like this before, maybe because you did not have enough ice. "Secondly it's nice to know you have strong friends. Your former master I'm guessing since he was able to sway at least three quarters of them?"

"Yeah, Ebeneezer McCoy, he taught me the most important part of magic the 'why'." He gives you a distant sort of look like he is already imagining teaching you and not sure he's up for it. "He's a member of the Senior Council, that is who is in charge of the day to day stuff under the Merlin."

"Merlin is real?" You are not sure why you are surprised, you just got kidnapped by servants of Queen Mab of the Winter Fey, but does that mean there was a big round table with knights around it in post-Roman Brittan? An actual Holy Grail? Maybe you could ask dad about that last one.

"It's not a name, it's a title, but there was a Merlin once upon a time, the original."

"And how does the present one feel about you?" you press.

The silence that follows is almost answer enough on its own, but he does eventually admit that the Merlin is one of those who don't like him."I'm not always as prompt and presentable as his idea of a wizard would be. Not enough curl to my beard see?" Harry runs his fingers through an imaginary beard

Though you do laugh a little, you do not miss that he is trying to distract you. If that is all there is to it you will eat your sword. "And..."

"What do you mean and...?" he challenges. "Don't you think that is enough? Honor of the Council is in how we comport ourselves"

Okey so the voice is funny but... "If you don't involve yourself in the affairs of the Council much I do not see why it would be. Out of sight out of mind. The trouble would be if other people really liked your...er... improper beard." That sounds way dirtier than you meant it.

"We have been on opposite sides of an argument before."

"And you came out on top," you finish. "While being non-senior whatever, not looking proper in his eyes and presumably those of his peers and being disreputable because of having been under the Doom." You pause for the confirmation you know will come. "And onto that I say yikes"

He does not disagree.

Out of the rest of the Senior Council Harry does not even know most of them well, nevermind being able to count on them. He puts on a brave face on how wise they are, but wise does not mean 'good' or 'fair'. Evil can be wise in its own way at least when it comes to achieving its goals, not to mention the self-interested and the corrupt. He also explains what the Red Court is, giant bat monsters with addictive spit that pretend to be human, and how the war had started. Now you know why Lasciel had said 'inciting incident' and not 'cause'. There was no way that two world wide supernatural powers were fighting over a burned down club in Chicago. If a lot of the White Council really believe that then they aren't very wise after all.

"OK so there was peace between the Red Court and the White Council before and there is peace between them and the Winter Court now right?" you lean forward a little the way you do when you are working your way through a hard question in class. This is like old time European politics, though hopefully without arranged marriages to any bat monsters. Even Usum is creeped out by them and does not know what they are beyond 'bad news'.

"The Council can't be everywhere Molly," Harry cuts in to your thoughts, his voice oddly gentle. "I'm sorry..."

"For what coming to my rescue?" you roll your eyes, then all faux-offended add. "Waiter, waiter, I ordered the rescue three hours ago and now it's cold." The memory of ice piercing your wrists rises to the forefront of your moment, but only that, your smile does not waver

It gets a laugh out of Harry... and an all too familiar throat clearing sound out of your mother. You turn to see her not quite glaring at a point equidistant in the space between you and Harry. Space which had grown rather small space you now realize, snapping back. You would be alot more embarrassed if you did not have more important things on your mind. It's not every day a girl declares herself inhuman to hopefully get out of a death sentence and trying to perform magic with your mom present is...probably not going to go well. On the other hand the standing alternative is 'Molly Carpenter, wizard's apprentice' so maybe you can convince her to let you try

How do you present things to Harry and your mother?

[] Bluntly, there is no point trying to sugarcoat this, you have changed and there is no going back. Now it is time to figure out just how (Charisma+Empathy)
-[] Write in stunt

[] Imply that if this power no longer allows you to use magic like a wizard than it might be the first step to not having magic (Charisma+Subterfuge)
-[] Write in stunt

[] Write in


OOC: You guys took nightmares which means you do have to deal with trauma, but you also took nine willpower,which means she is a hell of a lot better than she was at pushing those feelings away...at least when she is awake.
 
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Imply that if this power no longer allows you to use magic like a wizard than it might be the first step to not having magic (Charisma+Subterfuge)
This is some very big brain doublethink to sell Charity.

"Don't worry, I am no longer a wizard capable of magic as you feared! All it took was grafting two new souls to me, one which is a demon and the other is a primordial weapon that was used to overthrow the makers of the universe."

I'll most likely go with a variant of the first, but I'll wait for a stunt.
 
This is some very big brain doublethink to sell Charity.

"Don't worry, I am no longer a wizard capable of magic as you feared! All it took was grafting two new souls to me, one which is a demon and the other is a primordial weapon that was used to overthrow the makers of the universe."

I'll most likely go with a variant of the first, but I'll wait for a stunt.

The implication is that the exaltation might be then exorcised. It cannot be of course and Molly knows it, hence why it is subterfuge.
 
I wonder if Charity or Michael might know something that could help get us out of this situation?

Seems unlikely, but who knows what our dad knows.

I can't imagine Molly wanting to involve her parents tho.
 
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