Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The vote is very narrow so I think I'll leave this one up until tomorrow. In the meantime because I still want to write how about an interlude from someone a bit farther afield than Michael or Harry? ;)
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 17, 2022 at 11:38 AM, finished with 137 posts and 15 votes.

  • [X]Plan Foxhunt
    -[X] See if you can track down the escaped cultists
    --[X]Loot cultist cellphones before leaving Soul's Rest
    --[X]Crown of Eyes: NotWolverine: What way do they open?: -1 Essence
    --[X]Crown of Eyes: NotWolverine's Partner: What is Dr Niemi's current cellphone number: -1 Essence
    --[X]Return to hotel; run check with cyberdevils in hotel network and in La Blanche's phone if anything of significance has happened
    --[X]Let Michael and Lydia use the bathroom first.
    --[X]Two hour bleach soak to regen 9/11 HLs and 4/12 Essence to full
    --[X]Call Dresden at scheduled time. Use Burny, not his landline, to avoid Daedalus landline intercepts if they exist.
    --[X]Wait for Lydia to refresh Essence at (sunset? midnight?) before setting out again.
    --[X]Dr Niemi's cellphone: Using an online ID spoofer, have Clippy call number and attempt to sell him an extended warranty. Crown of Eyes location of owner of phone
    --[X]Cyberdevils:
    ---[X]Police traffic camera network around Soul's Rest. Attempt to track destination of fleeing cultists, especially Niemi
    ---[X]Cultist phone history, with aim of finding out why they wanted the gossamer, and any safe houses to flee to
    --[X]STUNT: A last look around the erstwhile chamber of horrors. "One minute".In moments you are going through their pockets, ignoring bulging billfolds and credit cards in favor of a small pile of cellphones. At your Dad's look, you explain as you stuff them in your pockets "Loose ends, Dad. Niemi was apparently scamming both Iku Turso and the poor people here. His people's phones might help us figure why." A hurried departure through empty passageways gets you out of there just ahead of a throng of firemen and EMTs, and you only have a brief meeting with Ruth Koskinen before slipping out the foyer and down the sidewalk.
    [X] Return home, someone is going to have to deliver all these Pathfinder goons to the White Council
    [X] See if you can track down the escaped cultists
    -[X]Loot cultist cellphones before leaving Soul's Rest
    -[X] Set Clippy and your other cyberdevils to tracking the cultists you identified.
    --[X]Police traffic camera network around Soul's Rest. Attempt to track destination of fleeing cultists, especially Niemi
    --[X] Have them check ICQ and other messengers and social pages of the cultists. Maybe you'll be able to track them that way.
    -[X]Bleach soak to heal and regain power
    -[X] Go after Dr. Niemi after both you and Lydia regain power.
    --[X] Use the crown at that time to check where he fled to. Use the Soul's Rest site as a focus. The question is "where is Dr. Niemi fleeing to?"
    --[X] Spend the time between you getting out of the bath and going hunting for Niemi looking for fleeing cultists.
    -[X] Message Harry that there is a mess to clean up in Cleveland, definitely breaching a lot of the Laws. You, dad, and Lydia dealt with the immediate situation, but there are prisoners that need handling. Have Clippy compile and send a detailed report to Mouse's devilphone. In cypher / whatever demonic language your cyberdevils speak.
    --[X] Call Harry at 7 P.M.
    -[X] Stunt: "Ok! So, who's up for pizza? I am famished, and need good food and a nice bath before we go hunt down the local mastermind." You ask casually even as you are quickly typing on you phone, giving your virtual minions their marching orders. And looking for good pizza deliveries in Cleveland.
    [X] See if you can track down the escaped cultists
    [X] See if you can track down the escaped cultists
    -[X] Ask urgent questions via the crown:
    --[X] Use the building or its website, if it is still up, as a focus of the crown. The question to ask is "where is Dr. Niemi fleeing to?"
    --[X] Set Clippy and your other cyberdevils to tracking the cultists you identified.
    -[X] If possible, try to give Lydia some power before taking a bleach bath.
    --[X] Go after Dr. Niemi after we regain our power.
    -[X] Message Harry that there is a mess to clean up in Cleveland, possibly infringing upon "Though shalt not Open the Outer Gates" law, and definitely with a lot of other Laws. You, dad, and Lydia dealt with the immediate situation, but there are prisoners that need handling. Have Clippy compile and send a detailed report to Mouse's devilphone.
    -[X] Stunt: "Ok! So, who's up for pizza? I am famished, and need good food and a nice bath before we go hunt down the local mastermind." You ask casually even as you are quickly typing on you phone, giving your virtual minions their marching orders. And looking for good pizza deliveries in Cleveland.
    [X] See if you can track down the escaped cultists
    -[X]Loot cultist cellphones before leaving Soul's Rest
    -[X] Set Clippy and your other cyberdevils to tracking the cultists you identified.
    --[X]Police traffic camera network around Soul's Rest. Attempt to track destination of fleeing cultists, especially Niemi
    --[X] Have them check ICQ and other messengers and social pages of the cultists. Maybe you'll be able to track them that way.
    -[X] If possible, try to give Lydia some power before taking a bleach bath.
    -[X]Bleach soak to heal and regain power
    -[X] Go after Dr. Niemi after both you and Lydia regain power.
    --[X] Use the crown at that time to check where he fled to. Use the Soul's Rest site as a focus. The question is "where is Dr. Niemi fleeing to?"
    --[X] Spend the time between you getting out of the bath and going hunting for Niemi interrogating the prisoners.
    ---[X] Use Intimidation excellency
    ---[X] Focus on who they work for, who they were in contact with, etc.
    -[X] Message Harry that there is a mess to clean up in Cleveland, possibly infringing upon "Though shalt not Open the Outer Gates" law, and definitely with a lot of other Laws. You, dad, and Lydia dealt with the immediate situation, but there are prisoners that need handling. Have Clippy compile and send a detailed report to Mouse's devilphone.
    -[X] Stunt: "Ok! So, who's up for pizza? I am famished, and need good food and a nice bath before we go hunt down the local mastermind." You ask casually even as you are quickly typing on you phone, giving your virtual minions their marching orders. And looking for good pizza deliveries in Cleveland.
What happened the first time Molly popped off a Shintai in Chicago. In Harry's words:
"That is not even technically swearing you know," you scoff. Briefly you consider going over to help Matthews, but Lydia seems to have it in hand and judging from the wide eyed look he gives you before quickly looking away you suspect your help would not be welcome. Here have this cup of tea boiled in hellfire...The thought is a lot more funny than it probably should be. "Dare I ask what that... felt like?" You carefully measure your words, enough emotion to make it clear you need to know, but not so much vulnerability that he shuts down 'for your own good.'

"Like a star of destruction going supernova only to be focused down to a laser point, like an ocean of darkness flowing through a narrow, unbreakable channel."
How many people in White Council HQ in Edinburgh walked into a wall when that happened?
:V

Alternative, more serious PoV options are Summer Court royalty(Fix, Lily, Titania), White Court(Lara, ), Marcone
-Odin dealing with Gard finally delivering Kattrin's body home.
-M Lindqvist dealing with the reaction of the Chicago spirit world to Corpsetaker getting nuked
-White Council getting confirmation on the Corpsetaker kill
-Marcone dealing with the aftermath of the Museum murders, both in law enforcement activity and the need to increase his magic defenses because of crazy necromancers and ignorant Daedalus agents
-Summer Court doing summer court things
-Cindy's sister reacting to the changes in her life

I would have suggested Maeve as well, but Nemesis makes writing her too difficult
 
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Arc 3 Interlude 3: Straight Shot
Straight Shot

25st of July 2006 A.D.

Sam's Shooters, Chicago

Moniker aside Gentleman Johnny Marcone was not the sort of man to take his ease with with a sniffer of brandy and a cigar. He had learned early that both could do you in as surely as a bullet in the gut, if not quite as fast. He preferred the basketball court, the gym, or, as was the case this time, the range, the crack of riffles went a long way to dealing with any listening devices and he knew well that the woman carefully watching his performance was more comfortable around dealing with live weapons than physical exertion with no martial application.

"Fifty points, you are still leading the target too aggressively though, there is such a thing as overcompensating you know." The woman who had been old when America was young said after his last shot, the faint smell of cordite still in the air.

"You don't say? I've never heard that from a woman before," John joked, one of the few people he could afford to joke about such things with.

"You need to talk to more women then," Gard shot back. It was not hard at all to read what was unspoken in her tone. You need to talk to more people. She was of the opinion that John was a 'lord without a proper court', too much business too little mingling to put it in terms that were not older than Shakespeare's English.

"So the girl. Margret Carpenter, do you have any better of an idea what she is now that you searched around?" He asked as much to distract her as anything else.

"No and that should worry you," she replied, expression darkening. "With that much power... it cannot be something new, if it were everyone with eyes in their heads would have noticed it being born. Which just means she has to be something very old."

"So you need more money for old books?" Over the years John had learned that magic know-how could be as expensive as a a high priced lawyer or a drug habit, or maybe a high priced lawyer with a drug habit, but he has also learned that it was much better to pay in advance than deal with the occult when it was already trying to kill you.

Gard shook her head, her braid flying off at the vehemence of the motion. "Old enough that if anything is written about what she is it's on clay tablets... or cave paintings, as remote from me as it is from you. Yet she is still Margret Amanda Carpenter at her core. I've checked that she finished the school year and there is no indication she will not return next year for her Senior Year, she goes to Church on Sunday... This power did not cut the thread of her mundane life though it cut the thread of her fate. You wanted a threat assessment... Superman."

"Pardon?" John asked, not trying to hide his confusion. Gard was not usually the sort to use pop culture in her comparisons.

"Otherwise ordinary human teenager who has been granted powers which are near divine in scope and authority. Nathan said Superman would be the most appropriate current cultural context only and I quote 'ignore the all-American apple pie bullshit'."

John thought about that for a moment, really thought about it. He had never really been into superhero comics as a kid, at most he had read some Archie Comics, but someone who could jump a skyscraper, stop a speeding train, shoot lasers out of their eyes and all the rest... someone like that as a teenager with a taste for heroics... "Fuck."

"There is a reason why the scheming old king always gives the demigod seemingly impossible tasks far away," Gard snorted. "Now that I have that out of the way, some more specifics, she has authority over a significant class of knowledge spirit, authority that she calls on often, which means she is either a fool, which should not be discounted but cannot be the first assumption, or the price is something she does not mind paying. Given her association with a true servant of the White God most forms of sacrificial magic can be excluded, but you remember what I told you about the internet a few years ago?"

"I believe you called it 'a vast cauldron of human insight swirling with the hopes and nightmares of mankind'," John replied after a moment.

"Indeed," Gard leaned back against the wall as she continued. "Well if there is something about her power that allows her to bridge the gap between stone, glass and metal and a certain ethereal spirits that would give her insights related to both. Assume Miss Carpenter can look through any camera she wants to and if you want to keep information out of her hands use paper."

"So treat her like she is Homeland Security?" John could already feel a headache coming on, but he reminded himself, it was not all doom and gloom. Unlike Dresden Margret Carpenter had not shown herself to be opposed to working with him, he might yet get Homeland Security on his side.

He returned his attention to the target, more careful of leading it. He would not make the mistakes of those old kings.

OOC: This is not a full report since Gard would have told him the basics of how Molly fights and other obvious things already.
 
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You know... The Gossamer is pure chaotic potential right? Could we use it to speed up Lydia's father's return? We have a connection to him through her. Can we turn the Gossamer into a "return to life" jumpstarter?
 
So treat her like she is Homeland Security?" John could already feel a headache coming on, but he reminded himself, it was not all doom and gloom. Unlike Dresden Margret Carpenter had not shown herself to be opposed to working with him, he might yet get Homeland Security on his side.
I actually would not be opposed to doing that. After all in order to do that effectively John would have to basically have no secrets from us.
 
@DragonParadox, nice interlude! Marcone is an interesting POV I would like to see more of sometimes.

Did Gard also have anything to share with him about Daedalus, what little she may know anyway?
 
One thing how strong is sphere Magic compared with linear Magic?? I know it is stronger, faster,with more potential and that instead of willpower uses mana or quintessence but I dont really know the especifics. Also if dresden wizards dont have paradoxes what are their limitations instead. The inability to use technology? The laws of Magic? And what are the differences between a sphere mage and a nephandi one anyway? Can we even learn nephandi sorcery as a creature of hell?
 
Sorry, but let me laugh in "rare elements are rare". No, this isn't how it works, and you essentially can't find trace elements of a lot of useful stuff in households.
This isnt a normal household.
We literally made this in the house's specialized crafting workshop.
The workshop is on the second floor right over the kitchen and it is one of the more enduring rooms in the house. While you have all changed and switched room and even had bigger rooms cut in too to fit a growing family this place had been set up like this practically since the month you arrived here, a big sunny room filled with the smell of oil and varnish, the odd bit of sawdust to tickle the nose, all the drills the saws, the clamps, the hammers and all the other tools in their place. But of course this isn't just a carpenter's workshop over in the corner is a small forge and a lathe for drawing wire and twisting it into chain for chain-mail together with some rather anachronistic pieces of Kevlar and ballistic mesh.


You pull down the blinders one by one until the only light is the mark on your brow. Within that light you reach letting balefire twist out to illuminate the room as it had never been before under the gaze of your eyes. From the wavering shadows you pull tools unseen upon the earth as inspiration bubbles in your soul like tar from some antediluvian well.
We didnt even bring the steel/iron or carbon/coal we used, we apparently just scrounged it out of the storage bins.

I dont know how much trace elements you think would be needed to make a kilogram weight mail shirt anyway.
Even carbon in most steels is sub 0.40% by composition, which in a steel shirt of roughly 1 kilogram mass, would amount to maybe 40 grams or less. A third the weight of my bar of toilet soap, and significantly less than the weight of a burger meat patty.

Trace elements would mass even less.
Why would we be in charge of combining it? I fully expect True Faith magic to take up the slack. As long as our intent is to cooperate, and Charity's intent is the same, I don't see an issue.
Why would Faith magic take up the slack?
Faith magic is not wizard magic. Wizard magic specifies what it wants to do, how it wants to do it, and how much effort it wants to put in. The central conceit of wizardry is about control and knowledge; thats why wizards are often supposed to be Wise.

Faith magic is not that. Its about trust in something or Someone else.

Someone who is using Faith magic in canon usually dictates a broad goal, and leaves how that works out up to their deity, or providence, or whatever. Sometimes its immediate and flashy, like Michael exploding vampires off himself like the blastwave of the Beirut port explosion during Grave Peril. Most times its much more subtle and indirect.

Like Charity praying to recover her daughter and that happening via Dresden remembering some magic and then calling in a favor from the Summer Lady. Or Michael needing to chase someone and his speeding car threading an intersection during a red light without hitting anyone or causing an accident.

Sometimes it will deliberately leave things incomplete despite having the power to go the whole way, like when Michael removed some, but not all, of Mab's memory blocks on Dresden's memories about using Fire magic in Small Favor by prayer.

You dont give specific dictates to Faith magic or its practitioners.
There's been wizards around for centuries, with lifespans in the hundreds of years, and other than some wizards who allegedly dual-wield faith magic and wizardry, nobody tries to combine faith magic and normal wizard magic.

Consider why.
 
One thing how strong is sphere Magic compared with linear Magic?? I know it is stronger, faster,with more potential and that instead of willpower uses mana or quintessence but I dont really know the especifics. Also if dresden wizards dont have paradoxes what are their limitations instead. The inability to use technology? The laws of Magic? And what are the differences between a sphere mage and a nephandi one anyway? Can we even learn nephandi sorcery as a creature of hell?
Linear magic to sphere magic is comparing a candle, to a volcano. Sphere magic can turn gravity off or even reverse it. And the main limitation are the law, and lack of overall talent compared to mage proper. Only one person could make warden swords, and to reach that level appears to take a 6 dot merit.
 
Personally, I'd like to use the Gossamer to craft artifacts or armor for Dad.
Or for potential hilarity, use the raw stuff of potential and unformed creation to enhance his Sword in an act of mortal will and faith.
 
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Makes sense.

We live in his city, or rather he operates in our city, and Gard is his security contractor. A lot of the supernatural repeatedly impinges on his underworld business. He has a pressing need to understand the dimensions of the new factor we represent, especially compounded with our positioning at the intersection of Dresden and Michael Carpenter.

The only other person who might have the same immediate urgency would be Lara Raith, in both her personas. Lara Raith, effective leader of the Raith family and the White Court of vampires would be looking at how it affected the local power balance. And Lara Raith, true Venatori agent/cell leader would also be worried about potentially Old Powers coming back into activity.

Linear magic to sphere magic is comparing a candle, to a volcano. Sphere magic can turn gravity off or even reverse it. And the main limitation are the law, and lack of overall talent compared to mage proper. Only one person could make warden swords, and to reach that level appears to take a 6 dot merit.
Citation please.
If that was stated anywhere I must have missed it.
 
Linear magic to sphere magic is comparing a candle, to a volcano. Sphere magic can turn gravity off or even reverse it. And the main limitation are the law, and lack of overall talent compared to mage proper. Only one person could make warden swords, and to reach that level appears to take a 6 dot merit.
Can you give me an example of the highest level of both?
 
Personally, I'd like to use the Gossamer to craft artifacts or armor for Dad.
Or for potential hilarity, use the raw stuff of potential and unformed creation to enhance his Sword in an act of mortal will and faith.
Oddly I think he's the last person we should give any direct powerup to. The nature of the swords is to even the odds. They don't provide a specific powerup. They make him a match for whatever foe he faces. We can't change that fundamental nature. If we give him a powerup the sword is just going to do less because there is less it needs to do before things are in "balance".
 
Can you give me an example of the highest level of both?

Ignoring things like Paradox and using Mage the Ascension revised for Sphere magic.

Creating new fully functional Minds is a 5 dot mind effect per revised.

Making two places co-located is a 5 dot correspondence effect

Time Travel is a 5 dot time effect.

Taking the shape of any creature you desire without regard for size is a 5 dot life effect.

If you go beyond 5 dots in a sphere that gets into basically god territory.
 
Citation please.
If that was stated anywhere I must have missed it.
Never stated but inferred, from the fact we can restore the crafters ablity to make warden swords by granting the Sphere natural merit. And can grant the potential to reach that level to others, with the Sphere natural merit. #6,521

Can you give me an example of the highest level of both?
Path magic tops out at say teleporting a few hundred miles of teleportation with prep and rituals at the highest. Top level sphere magic could teleport anywhere instantly. Or for Healing path magic can say restore somebody to full health instantly, but that is all it can do. While Sphere life magic can do that, and grant you wings, or just turn you enemies into plants.
 
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Interesting. Does Odin have intellectus? It seems that either Gard is lying (unlikely from the context), Odin knows and hasn't told her, or exaltations are
We didnt even bring the steel/iron or carbon/coal we used, we apparently just scrounged it out of the storage bins.

I dont know how much trace elements you think would be needed to make a kilogram weight mail shirt anyway.
Even carbon in most steels is sub 0.40% by composition, which in a steel shirt of roughly 1 kilogram mass, would amount to maybe 40 grams or less. A third the weight of my bar of toilet soap, and significantly less than the weight of a burger meat patty.
Iron and carbon are easy. Now, try finding stuff like rhenium (used in advanced superalloys), lutetium (high power high temperature magnets, certain alloys), or other rare elements.

You can expect to find (or extract from stainless steel) chromium, nickel, vanadium, maybe titanium. Once you go for rarer stuff, you are out of luck in a household.
Why would Faith magic take up the slack?
Faith magic is not wizard magic. Wizard magic specifies what it wants to do, how it wants to do it, and how much effort it wants to put in. The central conceit of wizardry is about control and knowledge; thats why wizards are often supposed to be Wise.

Faith magic is not that. Its about trust in something or Someone else.

Someone who is using Faith magic in canon usually dictates a broad goal, and leaves how that works out up to their deity, or providence, or whatever. Sometimes its immediate and flashy, like Michael exploding vampires off himself like the blastwave of the Beirut port explosion during Grave Peril. Most times its much more subtle and indirect.

Like Charity praying to recover her daughter and that happening via Dresden remembering some magic and then calling in a favor from the Summer Lady. Or Michael needing to chase someone and his speeding car threading an intersection during a red light without hitting anyone or causing an accident.

Sometimes it will deliberately leave things incomplete despite having the power to go the whole way, like when Michael removed some, but not all, of Mab's memory blocks on Dresden's memories about using Fire magic in Small Favor by prayer.

You dont give specific dictates to Faith magic or its practitioners.
There's been wizards around for centuries, with lifespans in the hundreds of years, and other than some wizards who allegedly dual-wield faith magic and wizardry, nobody tries to combine faith magic and normal wizard magic.

Consider why.
We aren't using mortal magic. We are using exalted BS. I have zero reason to believe that Charity working with us is impossible. I have little reason to believe that she is actually using active faith magic when making the armor for Michael (in fact, I have all the reason to believe that she is actively not using supernatural abilities). I don't see why we shouldn't try. And, above all else, I don't think we would do worse in making actual armor.

Mab, one of the highest hitters in the universe, when going all out (if with little to no ritualistic preparation) rolls 20 dice with an additional UMI effect when doing social combat. Assuming Charity is as good at crafting as Mab is at social combat, math checks out that we'd be at least as good.
 
Interesting. Does Odin have intellectus?
He might, but I have no idea what it might be focused on. Intellectus are usually very focused on a certain type of knowledge. Best way to torture people, what is happening on a certain island, hearing my name or all that is said in complete darkness.

Odin might have have an intellectus in his aspect as Santa allowing him to judge who is naughty and nice. Or something else, but there is no certainly that he would know all that much about us.
 
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