Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[uju32]

As you mentioned, resource limitations are a thing. They can't have super blenders everywhere, and they're at war right now. I wouldn't say they're necessarily a soft target, but they're more vulnerable now than after they've had time to call for reinforcements.

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They are here to deal with a chtonic entity from a Finnish creation myth. That suggests that reasonable measures would include a certain amount of....direct action assets, whether organic or contracted. Like I pointed out previously, they were in cahoots with the Heirs of Kemmler in Dead Beat, and we know they have dealings with Master Blampires like Mavra.

I do not believe they expected to deal with both an Infernal and a Knight, but I doubt they came here without force at hand.

Letting him live doesn't help either, and might hurt. The crown does have limited uses, but we can ask for everything he knew about this situation in one question. It forgoes asking about stuff beyond that with this corpse, but it would give us an immediate outline of what's going on that we could react to without spending days figuring out what's happening.

Getting the most bang for our buck is important, but past a certain point the time is worth more. Getting a good picture right now is better than a perfect one in days.
Days they would use to bring in more vampires, demonic war animals, and other resources to make our job harder.

One dead vampire doesn't solve the problem, but a lot of them before they can adjust would. Which is something a journalist can't typically do. The point I'm making here isn't to kill one dude and be done, it's that since we've been made we need to get aggressive. Spending days playing Dresden is giving up advantage we don't need to.

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My point is that moving fast and breaking stuff is a much less attractive slogan when the stuff being broken potentially includes civilian lives. We dont have home ground advantage, we dont know the ground, we dont know the locals, we only have an imperfect understanding of the situation. Letting him live allows us to use him to gather information on at least part of that.

There is currently no indication that we are under such time pressure that we need to rush things immediately.
Michael was planning this trip for at least two weeks; if it was immediately imminent, I presume we'd have gotten more urgent pressure about moving.

Its also worth noting that killing a vampire in a graveyard ensures plenty of witnesses, if the ghosts in the Cleveland area are anything like those in Chicago during Changes.

Yeah, they aren't as bad as black court vampires. But the effects on them are so strong that the difference doesn't matter much on a practical level.

Dresden directly talks about wardens being turned during the war and being used to fight in it later. If the supernatural willpower of a full wizard can't resist giving in to being a murder monster then the average person is screwed.

I'll admit that exceptions are possible, but they also aren't the rule. We hear about zero cases of non-monstrous reds in any canon material (that I'm aware of anyway). Which puts them below ghouls in terms of positive representation.

Micheal doesn't kill them on sight, but he doesn't kill Denarians on sight either. He's in a special place that takes a lot of faith to reach, not necessarily a rational standard of measure.

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1)You are mistaken.
At no point in the Vampire War is there textev that it has ever happened, just that its something they are worried about
It didnt happen until Battlegrounds, and it took Drakul himself to show up and do so.

2)Michael doesnt. But he isnt unprecedented that way.
Dresden talks to Denarians as well under parley. He talked to Ortega and Mavra and Papa Raith and Cowl and even Corpsetaker.
The White Council talked to the Red Court after they started the Vampire War by killing a Senior Council member Simon Petrovich.

Yeah, but I was addressing your point about letting him live so we can run an attack using his phone records. We can get a lot of the same without wasting the time.

With the right question we can get most of the picture from this guy, if he has friends then they're more questions to ask.
Then we go to work and smash down the front door of their operations as quickly as we can. We can get more information from there and unravel this while playing to our strengths.

The more time people have to react to our presence, the better a job they will do of it. We aren't as good at playing the prep game as a major organization is, it's a matter of numbers, resources, and magical flexibility. More organizations doesn't change that fact.


That said, looking back at the chapter Micheal does imply we're willing to talk instead of shoot, so killing him while talking would be bad for our rep if we start it. I still think we should kill him immediately and kick off a roiling fustercluck of violence because that environment favors us, but we should do it by following him home directly after this conversation or by provoking him to attack us.

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1)His phone records are just part of it. Using the phone itself as an electronic spy to follow him around is the other half.
We dont currently know which questions to ask. Because we dont know enough about the situation on the ground.

The killer app in this setting has always been information.
Maximizing information acquisition before taking irrevocable steps like killing hostiles or initiating open warfare minimizes collateral and maximizes our XP gain.

2)Like I've said earlier, I find it implausible that this is a Red op. It doesnt fit the known profile of Rampire operations.
Investing our effort to fighting Reds doesnt help if it leaves a third or fourth faction to carry on with whatever this operation is.
Haste is not speed.

 

[zxzx24]

Seeing all the arguments I made for haste being made when we were dealing with the nercromancers be brought back up in this context is amusing. As is seeing the people backing it up.

 

[Artemis1992]

It should be noted that we are not under any sort of parley.

We caught an enemy spying on us and he is trying to talk his way out of it.
Even Fey could just kill him in this situation, there's no right of negotiation, hospitality or anything else invoked here.

Just a bloodsucker having followed the wrong people.

 

[uju32]

VOTE
[X] Threaten and compel the spy as Usum suggested, maybe he knows something useful
-[X]Question him. Excellency(Intimidation)+ Impervious Primacy Mantle: -1 Essence, -1 WP
-[X]HMP on his phone if it enters line of sight
-[X]Ensure line of sight for own phone for Clippy+Cyberdevils to get a good look at his features and initiate photograph search of social media and accessible databases
-[X]Identify him as Red Court for benefit of party members
-[X]STUNT: You rise from your seat as he approaches, phone one-handed as you give it a clear view to the approaching vampire, before slipping the phone into a pocket. "Indeed." you say in a voice you barely recognize as your own, your eyes looking for weapons and personal electronics. "And just who are you, vampire of the Red Court?" And you meet his eyes.


REASONS
Michael offered parley, and it was accepted:

"If this hero of the Finns was indeed a man who lived and died than he could well have had mortal heirs," dad cuts in. "Depending on how long ago he lived there could be hundreds of thousands, millions even, bound by blood to both the oathbinder and the oathbound." He stops suddenly, right hand reaching for the hilt of the sword as he turns to face the alleyway to your left and calls out: "Who's there? Show yourself if you mean no ill or be gone."

The shadows under the linden trees shift and the silence that you had not even noticed fell under them, not even the chirp of a cricket to break it, suddenly lifts: "I mean no ill to those who do not mean me ill in turn," the man steps out as though from behind a tree, though to your gaze it seems stands revealed that he steps out of its shadow like a swimmer from dark waters. "I could not help but overhear you speak of weighty things freely where both the living and the dead might hear."

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Attacking him breaks Michael's implicit word.
You could argue that Molly did not personally give her word, but that would be hair splitting, and the exact sort of rules lawyering people complain about the Fae.

Also? We currently have no indication there's only one faction involved here. Initial indications were that the people arranging this had Finnish/North European connections. The Red Court is primarily from Latin America, which indicates they are a different faction. We need more information, and its hard to get information from a dead person. So dont kill the vampire.

We have the opportunity to use him to map out his faction.
Get his phone number by hacking the cellphone company's local servers, call his phone using a caller ID spoofer, try to sell him an extended car warranty, put a cyberdevil on his phone, and use it to wiretap everything that happens around him.

Also, steal his contacts list.
Basically, we have the opportunity to use him as a Judas Goat and develop intel on the Red Court's operations hrrr.
We should take it.

Impervious Primacy Mantle because hypnosis is a thing that Rampires can do.
Usually sight-based, but not necessarily.

 

[uju32]

It should be noted that we are not under any sort of parley.

We caught an enemy spying on us and he is trying to talk his way out of it.
Even Fey could just kill him in this situation, there's no right of negotiation, hospitality or anything else invoked here.
Just a bloodsucker having followed the wrong people.

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Citation:

"If this hero of the Finns was indeed a man who lived and died than he could well have had mortal heirs," dad cuts in. "Depending on how long ago he lived there could be hundreds of thousands, millions even, bound by blood to both the oathbinder and the oathbound." He stops suddenly, right hand reaching for the hilt of the sword as he turns to face the alleyway to your left and calls out: "Who's there? Show yourself if you mean no ill or be gone."
The shadows under the linden trees shift and the silence that you had not even noticed fell under them, not even the chirp of a cricket to break it, suddenly lifts: "I mean no ill to those who do not mean me ill in turn," the man steps out as though from behind a tree, though to your gaze it seems stands revealed that he steps out of its shadow like a swimmer from dark waters. "I could not help but overhear you speak of weighty things freely where both the living and the dead might hear."

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That suggests otherwise.

 

[BronzeTongue]

They are here to deal with a chtonic entity from a Finnish creation myth. That suggests that reasonable measures would include a certain amount of....direct action assets, whether organic or contracted. Like I pointed out previously, they were in cahoots with the Heirs of Kemmler in Dead Beat, and we know they have dealings with Master Blampires like Mavra.

I do not believe they expected to deal with both an Infernal and a Knight, but I doubt they came here without force at hand.

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That doesn't change the fact that more time for them to work with directly translates to them having a better force to counter us with.

1)You are mistaken.
At no point in the Vampire War is there textev that it has ever happened, just that its something they are worried about
It didnt happen until Battlegrounds, and it took Drakul himself to show up and do so.

2)Michael doesnt. But he isnt unprecedented that way.
Dresden talks to Denarians as well under parley. He talked to Ortega and Mavra and Papa Raith and Cowl and even Corpsetaker.
The White Council talked to the Red Court after they started the Vampire War by killing a Senior Council member Simon Petrovich.

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1) It does; Harry talks about the informal agreement wardens have to kill each other instead of allowing a capture for effectively this reason. It's the first mention of how red vampire made from practitioners get bonus blood powers, and the stronger the practitioner the better the blood sorcerer they become. Which I think comes up right around the first mention of the training camp stuff.

2) I'm not disputing that people take parley seriously, I'm just saying that red vamps cheat all the time so their complaints carry less weight.

1)His phone records are just part of it. Using the phone itself as an electronic spy to follow him around is the other half.
We dont currently know which questions to ask. Because we dont know enough about the situation on the ground.

The killer app in this setting has always been information.
Maximizing information acquisition before taking irrevocable steps like killing hostiles or initiating open warfare minimizes collateral and maximizes our XP gain.

2)Like I've said earlier, I find it implausible that this is a Red op. It doesnt fit the known profile of Rampire operations.
Investing our effort to fighting Reds doesnt help if it leaves a third or fourth faction to carry on with whatever this operation is.
Haste is not speed

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I get that, my point is that caution isn't efficiency either.

We could ask the question "What did this vampire know about supernatural activity occurring in Cleveland?" Or " What does the organization this red vampire answered to know about the supernatural activities occurring in Cleveland?" and get at least a cliff notes version of what an interrogation would get us. That would at least cover other factions known to the red court here.

Which locks us out of using him for future questions, but not from targeting others later. If we get a summary in the next IC hour then we can be planning and executing assaults before anyone has had time to call in more support.

Civilian casualties are a concern, but being on the offensive means we can heavily influence where the fights happen.

Seeing all the arguments I made for haste being made when we were dealing with the nercromancers be brought back up in this context is amusing. As is seeing the people backing it up.

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I don't really think I'm being hypocritical here, but I do see the necromancers as being more of a threat in many ways than a red court expedition. Or at least, a greater individual concentration of force and exotic effects.

We see in the books how they like to fight, and powerful necromancers can pull some serious bullshit at the drop of a hat that the red court doesn't habitually attempt.

They do have bigger rituals, and there's some stuff about blood magic, but generally reds work by summoning stompy monsters or swarming you with physical threats. That's a lot more manageable than stuff like Tomas the animated dimension hoping nazi submarine.

 

[Yog]

Fair point on IPM

[X] Threaten and compel the spy as Usum suggested, maybe he knows something useful
-[X] Use Excellency (Intimidation) + Impervious Primacy Mantle
-[X] Stunt: You shift your bearing a bit, the memory of Queen Mab in your mind superimposing itself upon your self, as you adopt her posture, mannerisms and very presence. The ghostly chill that always caresses your body spreads, otherworldly frozen winds rustling the tree's leafs. You catch the eyes of the lowly creature of darkness that dared to try spying on you, and still dares to try deceiving you with its human guise. The weight of your Essence pins it in place, daring it to try escaping, lying, fighting - doing anything but obeying your every command. And then, with a voice of an Empress, fit for proclaiming an immediate execution and an unlikely mercy, you question it for everything it knows, starting from the reason it's here.

 

[bengalqueen]

[x] uju32

[x] Yog

Nice flex, showing we know what he is and then immediately opening ourself up to the eye contact needed for easy thralldom, because we know we're immune and are showing that off. That would make them wary even without the supernaturally large dice pool for Intimidate and aura of hellish authority.

 

[Artemis1992]

Impervious Primacy Mantle because hypnosis is a thing that Rampires can do.
Usually sight-based, but not necessarily.

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We can activate it reflexivly if we have reason to do so.
With Michael and Lydia here I do not worry about being hypnotized without someone noticing.

Citation:

That suggests otherwise.

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That does not call for any kind of negotiation.
He just asked the person hiding nearby to come out or go away.

Mab herself could find no implicit word not to harm that person in this.

 

[zxzx24]

[x] Yog

[X] uju32

@bengalqueen would you mind approval voting?

And I dunno. Do you have a form stance against approval voting @uju32 ?

I don't really think I'm being hypocritical here, but I do see the necromancers as being more of a threat in many ways than a red court expedition. Or at least, a greater individual concentration of force and exotic effects.

We see in the books how they like to fight, and powerful necromancers can pull some serious bullshit at the drop of a hat that the red court doesn't habitually attempt.

They do have bigger rituals, and there's some stuff about blood magic, but generally reds work by summoning stompy monsters or swarming you with physical threats. That's a lot more manageable than stuff like Tomas the animated dimension hoping nazi submarine.

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These ARE wildly different situations.

I... dunno.

 

[DragonParadox]

I think one thing that should be noted is the difference between this one Vampire which you caught spying on you in Cleveland and the entirely of the Red Court. Is this one guy more dangerous than one of the heirs of Kemler? Molly very much doubts it. Is the Red Court in the place of its power far off more dangerous than the Thule Society? Almost certainly.

 

[zxzx24]

@uju32 thoughts, feelings on approval voting? Think Yogs plan is objectionable...?

 

[uju32]

That doesn't change the fact that more time for them to work with directly translates to them having a better force to counter us with

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Strongly disagree.

Its roughly four to six weeks after the events of Proven Guilty.

Where the combined forces of the Summer Court, led by Lily/Fix, and the White Council's Wardens canonically massacred the Red Court's field forces in open battle. Where Morgan killed two Dukes and a Count of the Red Court, and came within twenty feet of shanking the Red King, before he fled.

In the same several day period, they lost another good chunk of forces out of Oregon attempting to ambush Luccio and some White Council forces with foot soldiers and Outsiders, and running into Michael and his Sword.

I am comfortable in assuming they are a little short on disposable forces right now.
And if they have reserves, they arent sending them across the NeverNever; not after Summer has demonstrated itself to be VERY hostile, and Winter while it has not taken direct action, is nominally at war with them.

What they have in Cleveland is all they'll have for the next two or three days.

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1) It does; Harry talks about the informal agreement wardens have to kill each other instead of allowing a capture for effectively this reason. It's the first mention of how red vampire made from practitioners get bonus blood powers, and the stronger the practitioner the better the blood sorcerer they become. Which I think comes up right around the first mention of the training camp stuff.

2) I'm not disputing that people take parley seriously, I'm just saying that red vamps cheat all the time so their complaints carry less weight.

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1)Thats the point; its a fear, its not something that has actually ever happened in the series as of this time.
At least, not to White Council wizards. I cant speak for any sorcerers.

Remember: these are Reds, not Blacks.
You dont get control of your progeny; they are free agents. You make someone a Red wizard who might have reason for a grudge against you, you'll probably live to regret it. Briefly.

2)Reds cheat all the time they can get away with it.
That doesnt actually change the fact that if you start cheating on them, it reflects on your reputation with others.
It might be unfair, but it does matter.

And to be fair, I suspect their history of untrustworthiness had a direct bearing on how they ended up.

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get that, my point is that caution isn't efficiency either.

We could ask the question "What did this vampire know about supernatural activity occurring in Cleveland?" Or " What does the organization this red vampire answered to know about the supernatural activities occurring in Cleveland?" and get at least a cliff notes version of what an interrogation would get us. That would at least cover other factions known to the red court here.

Which locks us out of using him for future questions, but not from targeting others later. If we get a summary in the next IC hour then we can be planning and executing assaults before anyone has had time to call in more support.
Civilian casualties are a concern, but being on the offensive means we can heavily influence where the fights happen.

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And that locks us out of whatever he might figure out going ahead.
Or stuff that he might have been deliberately locked out of knowing until the time was right; the Red Court does implement need to know when they so choose.


Being on the offensive carries no such assurance in this instance.
We dont know enough to make any such assertions. We have established no local connections to help move civies out of the line of fire. We dont even know how many factions there are here.

Back in the last case, we had, off the top of my head
1)Daedalus
2)The Winter Court
3)Kattrin Sigfridottir + Evil Bob
4)Corpsetaker
5)Arawn/Elder Ankou
6)Old Man Mathews
7)Miscellaneous Illnois Nazis

And those were just the potential hostiles.
None of whom had identical motives, and who we had to navigate to minimize casualties.
Im honestly unsure why you think this will be more straightforward.

 

[uju32]

We can activate it reflexivly if we have reason to do so.
With Michael and Lydia here I do not worry about being hypnotized without someone noticing.

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I see no reason to risk it.
Not when we have 9 temporary WP unspent. Especially when the QM told us that if we hadnt activated IPM before our conversation with Mab, we'd have lost.

That does not call for any kind of negotiation. He just asked the person hiding nearby to come out or go away.
Mab herself could find no implicit word not to harm that person in this.

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*points at Michael Intimacy and Mentor 5*

The other side of choosing a Knight as our Mentor is that they dont play word games or ruleslawyering loopholes.
They dont ask people to come out if they have no ill-intent, the person comes out, and then they shoot or stab them and say they didnt actually make any promises.

The Knights arent signatory to the Unseelie Accords and yet people trust them not to dick around, even their enemies.
Because they dont pull shit like that.

@uju32 thoughts, feelings on approval voting? Think Yogs plan is objectionable...?

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Feel free to approval vote if you want.
I think the Yog vote is better than BronzeTongue's because it doesnt lock us into attempting to kill someone after our party leader has given an implicit guarantee of safety, and before we can maximize intel gain at that.

It leaves us more options.
I think mine is best, of course,

 

[the DragonBard]

[X] Threaten and compel the spy as Usum suggested, maybe he knows something useful
-[X]Question him. Excellency(Intimidation)+ Impervious Primacy Mantle: -1 Essence, -1 WP
-[X]HMP on his phone if it enters line of sight
-[X]Ensure line of sight for own phone for Clippy+Cyberdevils to get a good look at his features and initiate photograph search of social media and accessible databases
-[X]Identify him as Red Court for benefit of party members
-[X]STUNT: You rise from your seat as he approaches, phone one-handed as you give it a clear view to the approaching vampire, before slipping the phone into a pocket. "Indeed." you say in a voice you barely recognize as your own, your eyes looking for weapons and personal electronics. "And just who are you, vampire of the Red Court?" And you meet his eyes.

 

[firefrog600]

I don't know why he's here exactly, but I do think it's unlikely that it's coincidence.

Even if it is, red vampires are obligate human predators. Most of them go all but feral after they change, and revel in killing humans. The ones that don't are just slightly better at restraining the same fundamental nature.

That doesn't go away even in the oldest and strongest willed of their kind.

It's like happening on a wolf pack that you know has a taste for human flesh in a national park while you happen to be armed. You might not have been planning to go hunting, but if you leave them alone they will kill again. It's just how it is.

To be clear, despite the length the setting goes to to justify it, I'm not saying killing them all is moral good. It's just that right now we can't do shit about the root problem, and our options on a case by case basis are to kill them or let them eat humans.

If and when we can find a way to ensure a mutual non-predatory peace we absolutely should take it. Until then this sort of thing has the same moral weight as a buffalo bashing in a wolf's skull, despite the sapience of the parties involved.

We can handle him just fine, but the person he kidnaps off the street for dinner tonight probably won't be so lucky.

The white court is the only type of vampire that bucks this trend. They actually retain humanity on a fundamental level, and examples from two of three subtypes are known to find non harmful ways to feed. Like the Thomas's light one night stands, or that one Malvora that produces horror movies so they lightly tap an entire crowd instead of destroying a single person.

Those guys shouldn't be killed without checking exactly what they're doing first.

As to the specifics of this situation, I am voting to interrogate him first. I'm just also adding the provision that we initiate combat if it doesn't work.

Maybe we could compromise on a counter ambush? I don't want to give up initiative, but following him home to kick down the door would work about as well. At which point we could easily confirm if he's a statistical anomaly by looking into their slave pens and body disposal setup.

If I'm wrong I'll happily change my future approach here, the setting would be less depressing if the reds weren't pure monsters.

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Also you know as far as I'm concerned in red cases the human is dead the soul is gone. They literally can't feel remorse for what they do.

 

[uju32]

Also you know as far as I'm concerned in red cases the human is dead the soul is gone. They literally can't feel remorse for what they do.

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Red Court? Go back and look at how Bianca died in Grave Peril. Or post-change Susan in Changes.
There's something there.
I am just not sure its the soul of the human who used to be there.

Even Black Court has apparent edge cases.
Dracula Junior is one of the statues in Arctis Tor, and he's there with his lover.
Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

 

[ImBuda]

Fair point on IPM

[X] Threaten and compel the spy as Usum suggested, maybe he knows something useful
-[X] Use Excellency (Intimidation)
-[X] Stunt: You shift your bearing a bit, the memory of Queen Mab in your mind superimposing itself upon your self, as you adopt her posture, mannerisms and very presence. The ghostly chill that always caresses your body spreads, otherworldly frozen winds rustling the tree's leafs. You catch the eyes of the lowly creature of darkness that dared to try spying on you, and still dares to try deceiving you with its human guise. The weight of your Essence pins it in place, daring it to try escaping, lying, fighting - doing anything but obeying your every command. And then, with a voice of an Empress, fit for proclaiming an immediate execution and an unlikely mercy, you question it for everything it knows, starting from the reason it's here.

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I think you forgot to add the IPM to your new plan I mean you said Fair point to IPM and this plan is exactly the same plan you wrote before

 

[firefrog600]

Red Court? Go back and look at how Bianca died in Grave Peril. Or post-change Susan in Changes.
There's something there.
I am just not sure its the soul of the human who used to be there.

Even Black Court has apparent edge cases.
Dracula Junior is one of the statues in Arctis Tor, and he's there with his lover.
Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

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I mean its not the soul they still have emotions and such.

 

[uju32]

I mean its not the soul they still have emotions and such.

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Emotions like guilt in Bianca's case, and affection in Dracula's and Susan's, are based on being able to care for other people.
So like I said, there's something there. Or the potential for something.
It may not be a human soul, it might not be the original person, but there's something.

Not my problem to sort out what that is though.

 

[uju32]

Current tally:

Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Oct 30, 2022 at 6:55 PM, finished with 78 posts and 13 votes.

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  5 people have voted

  [X] Threaten and compel the spy as Usum suggested, maybe he knows something useful
  -[X] Use Excellency (Intimidation)
  -[X] Stunt: You shift your bearing a bit, the memory of Queen Mab in your mind superimposing itself upon your self, as you adopt her posture, mannerisms and very presence. The ghostly chill that always caresses your body spreads, otherworldly frozen winds rustling the tree's leafs. You catch the eyes of the lowly creature of darkness that dared to try spying on you, and still dares to try deceiving you with its human guise. The weight of your Essence pins it in place, daring it to try escaping, lying, fighting - doing anything but obeying your every command. And then, with a voice of an Empress, fit for proclaiming an immediate execution and an unlikely mercy, you question it for everything it knows, starting from the reason it's here.

  • Yog
  • Arhin
  • TonedMite
  • bengalqueen
  • zxzx24

  5 people have voted

  [X] Threaten and compel the spy as Usum suggested, maybe he knows something useful
  -[X]Question him. Excellency(Intimidation)+ Impervious Primacy Mantle: -1 Essence, -1 WP
  -[X]HMP on his phone if it enters line of sight
  -[X]Ensure line of sight for own phone for Clippy+Cyberdevils to get a good look at his features and initiate photograph search of social media and accessible databases
  -[X]Identify him as Red Court for benefit of party members
  -[X]STUNT: You rise from your seat as he approaches, phone one-handed as you give it a clear view to the approaching vampire, before slipping the phone into a pocket. "Indeed." you say in a voice you barely recognize as your own, your eyes looking for weapons and personal electronics. "And just who are you, vampire of the Red Court?" And you meet his eyes

  • ImBuda
  • uju32
  • the DragonBard
  • bengalqueen
  • zxzx24

  4 people have voted

  [X] Threaten and compel the spy as Usum suggested, maybe he knows something useful
  -[X] Use Excellency (Intimidation)
  -[X] Question him, trying to dig up everything he knows.
  —[X] If he starts lying, successfully resists social combat, or doesn't know anything useful, kill him. If he tries to leave, kill him. His shelf life is now measured in how useful he is.
  -[X] Stunt: As you look at the red vampire standing in front of you, something behind your heart recoils; why, it almost whispers in your ear, is it still standing.
  —[X] something boils through the air; invisible and intangible, but that demands attention with all the tenderness of a branding iron on bare skin. An authority this lesser thing as unknowingly defied.
  —[X] "And who are you to question us?" Molly says in a voice she almost doesn't recognize. Something that carries the weight of a crown and the promise of fire.

  • BronzeTongue
  • Goldfish
  • Ogoobu
  • Artemis1992

  1 people have voted

  [X] Threaten and compel the spy as Usum suggested, maybe he knows something useful

  • LightLan

 

[A_Somebody]

[X] Yog

[X] uju32

So very tempted to do rolling ball of violence now that we've been made, but I was convinced by the fact that Micheal did pretty clearly offer a peace/negotiation deal the rampire implicitly accepted. Hoping to see demonic primacy though

 

[Dheer]

[x] uju32
[x] Yog

 

[Azais]

[X] Yog

 

[Yzarc]

[x] Yog