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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[X] Yes, you are sure she will be helpful and you like her company
-[X] Check on Daedalus to see what they know of what happened, and if they're likely to mess with Lydia
 
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bengalqueen said:
It means that even a Terrestrial-tier Exalt is something you respect, and someone who's inherently attached to an Exaltation like Usum is would know that instinctively.

Besides, all of the Exalted host were originally intended to work together in the war that they were created for, it's why Circles exist, Exalted are naturally drawn to work in groups with other Exalted.
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We might want to ask him about it. If he's not calling Mab a Lady, but is calling Lydia one, she might actually have an exaltation in-story. Which would probably mean that Kemmler unearthed one at some point. In any case, depending on the results of the questioning, we might want to spend a question on Lydia, to ask either about others of her nature (potential Circle mates), or her nature itself (potentially route to understand our exaltation).

Also, I note that we still know nothing about her mother at all.
 
[X] Yes, you are sure she will be helpful and you like her company
-[X] Check on Daedalus to see what they know of what happened, and if they're likely to mess with Lydia

She probably has some wiggle room here since no one knows her father is dead yet and she doesn't have to be at school. As long as she doesn't draw official attention she could handle this over the course of weeks.

That said, we should probably be ready to help, and if possible start acquiring as much leverage as we can in terms of things like money and mundane secrets. Cause an isolated kid with broad knowledge of the supernatural, personal power but no established mundane leverage, and a lack of institutional connections in general sounds like payday for Daedalus.

Especially if they can throw a wrench in her getting emancipated and make Lydia a ward of the state.

Actually, since we have cyber devils in their stuff we should probably check to make sure they aren't aware and in the process of doing that.
 
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[X] Yes, you are sure she will be helpful and you like her company
-[X] Check on Daedalus to see what they know of what happened, and if they're likely to mess with Lydia

Oh yeah, that one guy's phone is bugged for the rest of the month, and we have those dots in Allies (cyberdevils) so our minions can now hack. Good to keep an eye on what they're doing, at least.
 
[X] Yes, you are sure she will be helpful and you like her company
-[X] Check on Daedalus to see what they know of what happened, and if they're likely to mess with Lydia
 
[X] Yes, you are sure she will be helpful and you like her company
-[X] Check on Daedalus to see what they know of what happened, and if they're likely to mess with Lydia
 
bengalqueen said:
[X] Yes, you are sure she will be helpful and you like her company
-[X] Check on Daedalus to see what they know of what happened, and if they're likely to mess with Lydia

Oh yeah, that one guy's phone is bugged for the rest of the month, and we have those dots in Allies (cyberdevils) so our minions can now hack. Good to keep an eye on what they're doing, at least.
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We should have information on the places of residence, finances, career history, etc., for all Daedalus agents and affiliated staff, plus a whole lot of additional info mined from the FBI servers, before the end of the month.
 
Yog said:
We might want to ask him about it. If he's not calling Mab a Lady, but is calling Lydia one, she might actually have an exaltation in-story. Which would probably mean that Kemmler unearthed one at some point. In any case, depending on the results of the questioning, we might want to spend a question on Lydia, to ask either about others of her nature (potential Circle mates), or her nature itself (potentially route to understand our exaltation).

Also, I note that we still know nothing about her mother at all.
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If Kemmler did it then he'd probably not have given it away. Even if he did, it would have been part of that godhood deal. Which would probably require Arawn be actively using it for something instead of giving it to his daughter.
 
BronzeTongue said:
If Kemmler did it then he'd probably not have given it away. Even if he did, it would have been part of that godhood deal. Which would probably require Arawn be actively using it for something instead of giving it to his daughter.
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Depending on what Kemmler did to himself and his soul by that point, he might not have been able to use it.

We know that Kemmler passed some sort of knowledge onto Arawn. Knowledge related to mortality "as only mortal men could know it". Knowledge that allowed Arawn to somehow very inefficiently draw power not from his mythos or mantle, but from collective human link to the concept of death / from Oblivion itself. It was likely not an artifact, at least not a material one.

We know that Lydia is not a normal demigod, and that she too draws the power from collective death connection, rather than from a specific mythos. We don't know the circumstances of her birth, whether her mother's nature and fate plays a role in her abilities, whether Arawn did anything deliberate to make Lydia what she is. We can't be sure if Lydia's exalted nature is inheritable, like Dragonblooded one is, or if her children would be (mostly) pure mortal.

At least one possibility in this crossover, would be that Kemmler uncovered old Autochtonian knowledge that in ages past allowed mortals to craft Alchemical Exalted. Possibly gremlin-tainted version of that knowledge. If so, such could probably be used both as a basis for Darkhallow and for making Lydia.

EDIT: The more I think of it, the more I believe this could be it. Classical alchemicals were made by using a soul of a hero that went through multiple heroic reincarnations to catalyze a birth of a godlike exalted. Darkhallow uses multiple souls to catalyze an ascension of a mortal into a godlike being.

@DragonParadox what is Lydia's birthday? Do we know? Is it on Halloween? Or could she have been conceived on Halloween, assuming normal-ish gestation time?
 
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Yog said:
Depending on what Kemmler did to himself and his soul by that point, he might not have been able to use it.

We know that Kemmler passed some sort of knowledge onto Arawn. Knowledge related to mortality "as only mortal men could know it". Knowledge that allowed Arawn to somehow very inefficiently draw power not from his mythos or mantle, but from collective human link to the concept of death / from Oblivion itself. It was likely not an artifact, at least not a material one.

We know that Lydia is not a normal demigod, and that she too draws the power from collective death connection, rather than from a specific mythos. We don't know the circumstances of her birth, whether her mother's nature and fate plays a role in her abilities, whether Arawn did anything deliberate to make Lydia what she is. We can't be sure if Lydia's exalted nature is inheritable, like Dragonblooded one is, or if her children would be (mostly) pure mortal.

At least one possibility in this crossover, would be that Kemmler uncovered old Autochtonian knowledge that in ages past allowed mortals to craft Alchemical Exalted. Possibly gremlin-tainted version of that knowledge. If so, such could probably be used both as a basis for Darkhallow and for making Lydia.
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The Yama Kings aren't human and still managed to use an exaltation as a battery for a super weapon.

I also really doubt Kemmler could craft them in any capacity. If he could have done that he wouldn't have needed the darkhallow, which isn't anything like how alchemical exalts work.

Alchemicals were also less made by mortals than maintained by them. They ran the vats and stuff but all the crazy supernatural bullshit came from Autobot himself. No mortals were designing charm arrays as far as I recall.

Kemmler was good, but if he was that good this timeline would be run by necromancy flavored nazi terrestrials right now.

I think you drastically underestimate how difficult some of this stuff should be to do, and try to root cause too many things as being related to the exalted when other people can do all kinds of things without them.
LightLan said:
We don't even know if she has a mother!
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Well Arawn was married, so the real question is why Lydia is part mortal.

Edit: autocorrect
 
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At this point Molly really doesn't have enough points of comparison to know if Lydia is a "normal" demigod or not.

The closest in Dresden canon might be Kincaid and I could definitly picture him having an Excellency and some subtle Charms.

Though he might also just be mostly mortal with a bunch of high-tier advantages like the one with the increased Attribute.
 
[X] Yes, you are sure she will be helpful and you like her company
-[X] Check on Daedalus to see what they know of what happened, and if they're likely to mess with Lydia
 
Artemis1992 said:
At this point Molly really doesn't have enough points of comparison to know if Lydia is a "normal" demigod or not.

The closest in Dresden canon might be Kincaid and I could definitly picture him having an Excellency and some subtle Charms.

Though he might also just be mostly mortal with a bunch of high-tier advantages like the one with the increased Attribute.
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Yeah, I could see him with an excellency equivalent. Not a celestial grade one though, something more like the harvest exigent with conditions and an attribute only dice boost.

That would let him hit superhuman levels, but still keep him relatively low key rather than outright doubling his dice pool.

Given how he works my build for him would be based on having high dots in lots of stuff from his experience, and almost all of his charm equivalents being repurchases of his excellency. Maybe one or two other exotic effects related to tracking.

That way you'd have someone really dangerous, but still largely reliant on tools and lacking in overt supernatural bullshit.
 
BronzeTongue said:
The Yama Kings aren't human and still managed to use an exaltation as a battery for a super weapon.

I also really doubt Kemmler could craft them in any capacity. If he could have done that he wouldn't have needed the darkhallow, which isn't anything like how alchemical exalts work.

Alchemicals were also less made by mortals than maintained by them. They ran the vats and stuff but all the crazy supernatural bullshit came from Autobot himself. No mortals were designing charm arrays as far as I recall.

Kemmler was good, but if he was that good this timeline would be run by necromancy flavored nazi terrestrials right now.

I think you drastically underestimate how difficult some of this stuff should be to do, and try to root cause too many things as being related to the exalted when other people can do all kinds of things without them.

Well Arawn was married, so the real question is why Lydia is part mortal.

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in fairness in many ways the darkhallow is as good if not better then normal exalted in a lot of ways at least in sheer power. Depending on how much you kill sure you'll be more limited and lack some of the things exalted have. Its still in pure power better than we're likely to ever get in quest. we might be essence 5 if we reach 2 million words which will take a long time since less updates then song without a hilt. I doubt we'll have gone past that even then.
 
BronzeTongue said:
The Yama Kings aren't human and still managed to use an exaltation as a battery for a super weapon.

I also really doubt Kemmler could craft them in any capacity. If he could have don't that he wouldn't have needed the darkhallow, which isn't anything like how alchemical exalts work.

Alchemicals were also less made by mortals than maintained by them. They ran the bats and stuff but all the crazy supernatural bullshit came from Autobot himself. No mortals were designing charm arrays as far as I recall.

Kemmler was good, but if he was that good this timeline would be run by necromancy flavored nazi terrestrials right now.

I think you drastically underestimate how difficult some of this stuff should be to do, and try to root cause too many things as being related to the exalted when other people can do all kinds of things without them.
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Quotes from E2 Autochtonia book:
All stopped as, in the final years of his conscious
presence, Autochthon made his will known. He sent his
Divine Ministers to each of the cities, where they gathered
up the five most talented craftsmen and carried them off
into the Reaches. There, the assorted crafters underwent
holy instruction, and the secrets of Exaltation were blazed
into their awareness. Autochthon extruded the first eight
soulgems, soon to become the most important artifacts in
Autochthonia, and each bore the soul of one of the eight
heroes who had led the cities.
Soon, the craftsmen returned to their people, and the
first Alchemical Exalted came with them. Satisfied that his
human population would be well protected by their immortal
Champions, the Great Maker slipped away into his millennial
slumber, where he remains today.
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EXALTATION
The secret of Alchemical Exaltation is jealously guarded
by the Five Magnificent Sodalities of Penultimate Truth and
Intransigent Gospel, each of which possesses only a fifth of
the knowledge required to bring forth Champions of the
Machine God. Only by working together at the vats may new
Chosen be imbued with life and Exaltation, and only then
by unanimous vote of a National Tripartite Assembly.
The Pious Harvesters of the Hallowed Flesh know how
to create and process the alchemical broth in which the
bodies of the Exalted are cultured and catalyzed.
The Glorious Luminors of the Brilliant Rapture keep
the secret of the temperatures and cycles to which the broth
must be subjected for it to imbue its mystic benefits to the
nascent Exalt.
The Prolific Scholars of the Furnace Transcendent
understand the complex Essence technologies of the vari-
ous implants and Charms that grant the Alchemicals their
superhuman might, and it is they who forge those wonders
that will initially be incorporated into an Exalt's body.
The Meticulous Surgeons of the Body Electric are
trained in the all-important art of molding the flesh of the
Alchemical Exalted. They pack clay and wax and grease
around the implants of the Scholars, but this body is useless
without the Essence-catalyzing broth of the Harvesters or
the proper cultivation of the Luminors.
Finally, the Illustrious Conductors of the Consecrated
Veins alone understand how to properly affix a soulgem to
the Essence-infused frame the other Sodalities have crafted
and prepared.
These steps are not undertaken independently. Over the
course of eight months, the five Sodalities work together to
perform a complex ritual that joins enormous quantities of
the magical materials with exactingly machined parts, rare
clays and precisely brewed chemical concoctions to produce a
crude approximation of a human form. Next, in a painstaking
procedure requiring eight days to properly complete, a flawless
diamond soulgem is attached to the figure's brow. The valves
to the Exalt's Essence reservoir are then opened, and for the
next eight hours the Alchemical's Essence supply is ritually
purified with repeated straining and efficacious prayers until
no contaminants remain. Finally, an elaborate prayer lasting
eight minutes joins magical materials, clay, brass, Essence
and soul together into a living being. The Alchemical's eyes
open, her personality catalyzes and solidifies, and she rises
from the vats to begin her service to her nation.
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Alchemical Demiurge (Abomination): More than mere
combinations of souls and N/A-level artifacts, Autoch-
thon's Chosen are Exalted. The Essence technology that
enables the fusion of their spirits and bodies to create an
Exalt rather than a mere soul-bearing robot is as compli-
cated as any other Celestial Exaltation. The only being in
the Realm of Brass and Shadows who truly understands how
to create an Alchemical Exalt is Autochthon himself.
But the autonomic processes of his Design regularly
examine and select qualified individuals—these days,
always members of the five Sodalities with some form of
Craft rated at ••••+—and bestow this mutation upon
them. It transforms the mind and soul rather than the
body, creating a connection to the slumbering genius
of the Great Maker and allowing the Demiurge to share
Autochthon's nigh-unlimited cognitive bandwidth when
learning how to create Alchemical Exalted. This is how
a human mind comprehends and implements one-fifth
of the Alchemical Exaltation formula, and how a human
body's labors become a direct channel for the power of
the Machine God.
In his wisdom (and anger, and fear), Autochthon
bequeathed the secret of Exaltation to the mortals dwell-
ing within his world-body… and none other. Not only
are Exalted forbidden from ever obtaining this mutation
by any means, but even God-Blooded are never consid-
ered valid candidates for Demiurge status. Attempts to
interrogate a Demiurge or read his mind are doomed to
failure—the mortal himself only fractionally comprehends
the work of which he is capable, with the vast majority
of his knowledge distributed throughout the crystalline
Core of Autochthon. Likewise, watching a group of
Sodalts at work creating an Alchemical is as fruitless as
observing Lytek polishing and recycling an Exaltation
(a task that was undertaken hundreds of times over the
course of the First Age, to little benefit). The process is
merely a technological ritual permitting the Great Maker's
animating power to flow through the Demiurges and into
the nascent Exalt.
Ultimately, a Twilight who wants to create Al-
chemicals will have to force mortals to do so, probably at
sword point. The Great Maker, in the moments when he
was able to bring himself to contemplate such a terrible
eventuality, considered that theoretical Solar's endless
frustration to be just punishment for the betrayal of the
Mountain Folk.
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Kemmler was good. Very good. He didn't run Darkhallow on himself, and he didn't have access to many gods to catalyze exigents. He didn't have opportunities, I feel.

Basically, what I am saying is that it wouldn't surprise me if the knowledge he passed onto Arawn was something from the first age, or at least related. We'll see, I guess - it's not like we are done with Thule Society.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
Yeah, I could see him with an excellency equivalent. Not a celestial grade one though, something more like the harvest exigent with conditions and an attribute only dice boost.

That would let him hit superhuman levels, but still keep him relatively low key rather than outright doubling his dice pool.

Given how he works my build for him would be based on having high dots in lots of stuff from his experience, and almost all of his charm equivalents being repurchases of his excellency. Maybe one or two other exotic effects related to tracking.

That way you'd have someone really dangerous, but still largely reliant on tools and lacking in overt supernatural bullshit.
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Same, basically.

I believe it was mentioned that he literally never fails a shot, so that would propably be either a Charm or a specific bonus from Legendary Attribute (Dexterity).
The rest is just possible superhuman skill, some longevity and good healing, like any Dragontouched or Mage can take as an Advantage.
 
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