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We have to convince her to accept those results.
Instead of continuing to work towards her original goals via more oblique measures.
Its easier, but its not trivial.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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We have to convince her to accept those results.
Instead of continuing to work towards her original goals via more oblique measures.
Its easier, but its not trivial.
- Location
- Germany
Let it Go.
Well then, finally caught up fully with reading this, apologies for the delayed response uju32, had some stuff which came up which consumed a lot of time since we last communicated. Should we continue or leave it be for now?
[X] Bow your head and offer a courteous greeting (Charisma+Etiquette)
-[X] Activate Etiquette Excellency: -1 Essence
-[X] Trigger Impervious Primacy Mantle -1 WP
-[X]STUNT: The almost physical pressure of her glamor cuts off with a snap as your mental defenses kick in. But even without, the Queen of Winter, you discover, remains an unfairly good looking woman with the presence and manner of a Marine drill sergeant. Around you you can feel everyone else freeze like startled animals about to bolt under her eyes, and step forward, drawing her gaze as Usum whispers in your ear. Blue eyes meet green, and you incline your head a calculated fraction."Good evening Queen Mab"
He is not Mab"s subordinate. His relation with mab is not structured in that sense. To get the jest of his position. Here is Butcher"s word to the question about this below.
5) You've described Santa Claus as being the Winter King. What does that title mean? Do Winter and Summer each have a trinity of Father/King/Prince, like they do with Mother/Queen/Lady? Is the King necessarily the consort of the Queen? If so, will we be seeing Oberon at some point?
5) The Faerie realms just aren't that structured. It's more accurate to say that he is /a/ Winter King. Or even more accurately, that he is a free Wyld Fae who is of a power level that is on par with Mab's and happens to neighbor her sphere of influence, and finds it simpler to show up to family dinners during the holidays and make polite than to start staking out boundaries and establishing treaties.
He is essentially adjacent to it, who only interacts primarily to smooth over and avoid dealing with complications such as what is mentioned.
[X] Bow your head and offer a courteous greeting (Charisma+Etiquette)
-[X] Activate Etiquette Excellency: -1 Essence
-[X] Trigger Impervious Primacy Mantle -1 WP
-[X]STUNT: The almost physical pressure of her glamor cuts off with a snap as your mental defenses kick in. But even without, the Queen of Winter, you discover, remains an unfairly good looking woman with the presence and manner of a Marine drill sergeant. Around you you can feel everyone else freeze like startled animals about to bolt under her eyes, and step forward, drawing her gaze as Usum whispers in your ear. Blue eyes meet green, and you incline your head a calculated fraction."Good evening Queen Mab"
He is not Mab"s subordinate. His relation with mab is not structured in that sense. To get the jest of his position. Here is Butcher"s word to the question about this below.
5) You've described Santa Claus as being the Winter King. What does that title mean? Do Winter and Summer each have a trinity of Father/King/Prince, like they do with Mother/Queen/Lady? Is the King necessarily the consort of the Queen? If so, will we be seeing Oberon at some point?
5) The Faerie realms just aren't that structured. It's more accurate to say that he is /a/ Winter King. Or even more accurately, that he is a free Wyld Fae who is of a power level that is on par with Mab's and happens to neighbor her sphere of influence, and finds it simpler to show up to family dinners during the holidays and make polite than to start staking out boundaries and establishing treaties.
He is essentially adjacent to it, who only interacts primarily to smooth over and avoid dealing with complications such as what is mentioned.
Could someone post the rules for this please.
- Location
- Germany
The dice have already fallen.
Arawn is out of her reach, Lydia is in our circle and Matthews is willing to serve.
She can't change these results except by throwing away her new Eldest Ankou and likely also allowing Arawn's century-old betrayal and her inabilitx to punish him for it to become more publically known.
- Location
- Germany
[X] Trigger Impervious Primacy Mantle and stare her down, you will not bow your head to any who have not earned it on you, offer a neutral greeting
-[X] [Stunt] You raise your hand in greeting and call out "You must be Mab, nice meeting you here". Even as you maintain eyecontact you wait for her reaction, knowing that there is nothing you have to tell her about the situation that she couldn't find out with those cold eyes and the mind behind them.
-[X] [Stunt] You raise your hand in greeting and call out "You must be Mab, nice meeting you here". Even as you maintain eyecontact you wait for her reaction, knowing that there is nothing you have to tell her about the situation that she couldn't find out with those cold eyes and the mind behind them.
- Location
- United States
[X] Bow your head and offer a courteous greeting (Charisma+Etiquette
I suspect that Mab is actually quite pleased with the results, political embarrassment aside. She gets two and half necromancer hunters for the cost of one, plus a few more backups for Winter Lady (Cindy and her sister will almost certainly get winter fae tutors and will qualify for the mantle). Plus a method to multiply the mantle - I am willing to bet she at least considers offering Matthews retirement when he wishes, using the same ritual.
We just need to make all of this politically acceptable somehow.
We just need to make all of this politically acceptable somehow.
Been working on a custom charm to fill the void of bureaucracy charms.
The Hell of Burrowing Maggots Charms
Glimmer of the oasis at night. (••••)
invoking the powers of the Hell's upon a leader of the project they, and their subordinates are filled with a thirst, that they know intuitively can only be sated by completing their work, they have been assigned. Thou those blessed by the hell's often struggle to resist the power and resist the rightful order of the world, save for the truly supplicant.
System
By spending essences equal to the magnitude of the people working on a project the Infernal can bless the project they assign with quickness and speed. The project will be accelerates from its normal pace by twice the internals essence. EX a E3 infernal can cause a project to happen at 6 times the normal speed.
This blessing is reduced by the relative power of the head manager, or the second in command if the Infernal is the project head. EX a E3 infernal with an Areta 4 mage as their second will only have the project be accelerated by 2 times the normal speed.
But if the Project head or the infernal second possesses the true faith merit in the infernal personally, the project instead is increased by their relative power. EX the E1 infernal assign an Arete 2 mage to lead a project it will move at 4 times the normal speed.
This blessing can be applied to any long duration project that would take more then a single days work. Be it political campaigning, Court cases, or construction projects.
Only Essence number of projects can be accelerated by the Infernal at any one time.
Glimmer of the oasis at night. (••••)
invoking the powers of the Hell's upon a leader of the project they, and their subordinates are filled with a thirst, that they know intuitively can only be sated by completing their work, they have been assigned. Thou those blessed by the hell's often struggle to resist the power and resist the rightful order of the world, save for the truly supplicant.
System
By spending essences equal to the magnitude of the people working on a project the Infernal can bless the project they assign with quickness and speed. The project will be accelerates from its normal pace by twice the internals essence. EX a E3 infernal can cause a project to happen at 6 times the normal speed.
This blessing is reduced by the relative power of the head manager, or the second in command if the Infernal is the project head. EX a E3 infernal with an Areta 4 mage as their second will only have the project be accelerated by 2 times the normal speed.
But if the Project head or the infernal second possesses the true faith merit in the infernal personally, the project instead is increased by their relative power. EX the E1 infernal assign an Arete 2 mage to lead a project it will move at 4 times the normal speed.
This blessing can be applied to any long duration project that would take more then a single days work. Be it political campaigning, Court cases, or construction projects.
Only Essence number of projects can be accelerated by the Infernal at any one time.
Molly is not entirely sure if Matthews would be able to use the same ritual, it incorporated prayers to Arawn and well Matthews was never a god, he might be able to replace them with something else, but that would be a skill issue and it will be a long time before he can match the last bearer of the Mantle.
Seems like a little much to me.
This is making some assumptions about her abilities and the nature of fey politics that aren't necessarily correct.
Your suggestion is equivalent of someone telling a police officer that they can't do X thing to them because they know their rights, when in fact they have a limited understanding of the particulars of the legal system.
She could, for example, turn this into a win by simply tormenting Lydia if she wanted to. Sure he escaped, but only to a place where he could watch his daughter suffer; fey would eat that up.
She could also zap Harry for the sake of spite, as she did when she struck this deal with him.
How difficult or easy a time Matthews has it is also dictated by how well this conversation goes.
I'm not saying she'll definitely do any of that, but trying to swagger up and tell her she can't do shit is basically an invitation for her to try.
Taking this seriously and stacking the deck from the start costs us very little and gives us the best possible positioning to avoid stuff like that from.
1)Arawn isnt out of her reach.
She doesnt have to go after him anymore to retrieve the Mantle; she could still do so out of spite.
Not likely, but possible. Depends on factors we have no way of evaluating.
2)Lydia is an associate of ours now, but we arent actually setup to protect her atm yet.
She's a fifteen/sixteen year old who isnt legally emancipated and whose father left a financial fortune behind for schmucks to salivate over. Nevermind her magical power.
Ensuring Mab is happy enough to not fuck with her, or give other ppl information to fuck with her, is a Big Deal.
3) Yes, Mathews is ready and willing to serve. I agree.
The point remains to convince Mab its a win-win and she should take her winnings and move on is not automatic.
And not hold a grudge for being maneuvered. And that her ledger doesnt require any punitive steps to balance things out.
Which involves a fair bit of diplomatic footwork.
Nah its fine. RL has priority
Lets drop it; new arguments to get into.
Thats a very good point.
And one that neither Harry nor Molly have any reason to consider IC, since they dont know of the Nemesis problem.
Nice catch.
- Location
- Germany
And that would definitly mean we fight her with all we've got.
And even if she kills us she has our Exaltation and a knight of the cross tirned against her while gaining nothing.
She can always do that, until his debt is done or we reinvent the Oath-Shattering Strike.
That is something I care very little about.
Matthews made his decision to serve Winter and has to live with the results, he's not exactly a friend of ours.
Besides, if Mab wants to alienate the new Ankou in her service that's only to her own detriment.
I'd rather just buy Sorcery:Fortune 3 or 4 for the same cost.
[X] Trigger Impervious Primacy Mantle and stare her down, you will not bow your head to any who have not earned it on you, offer a neutral greeting
We're an E2 Exalt.
We dont have anything to fight with right now.
Not with Mab.
And we dont pick fights for Michael.
We dont get to assume he will automatically jump into all our fights. He's a Knight; he doesnt report to us.
But she doesnt, without provocation.
In fact, the only time she's done so was when he was being deliberately rude.
I'd rather we dont provide provide provocation now.
That is something you should care about. He's parent of 1-2 wizard tier talents who might be future assets.
And you can never have too many friends in different places willing to slip you information and warning.
Especially since one of the surviving executives of the Thule Society is a Denarian.
Just ask Harry how many times having the current Summer Lady and Knight being genuinely well disposed towards him has saved him trouble, and how many times they've slipped him help, even when they were under orders not to help him.
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- Germany
You are right, but I think he's human enough to avenge us if we fail against Mab.
We want that to happen even less than she does, so it makes a poor threat.
Why are you risking putting that on the table for no gain other than thumbing our nose at her?
Even if it works as a threat, she'll take steps to find alternative means to deal with us because she can't let blackmail like that stand or be known to stand.
The alternative isn't groveling at her feet; it's playing the game, giving her some entirely reasonable and earned levels of respect, and walking away with the same benefits without escalating the situation.
Yes, and how scenes like this go influence when and if she will.
We did talk him into this, and he is an ally of a sort. Burning him just because is wasteful even if we set the ethics of it aside.
She can also probably straight yank the mantle and put it somewhere else if she wants. Her plan did involve doing something like that to the old guy.
It's more effort than she likely wants to put in, so as long as we dress this up in a politically palatable way she probably won't, but we shouldn't be so certain of our position that we undermine it just to show that we can.
- Location
- Germany
I'm not saying we should escalate against Mab right now.
Just stay calm, non-deferential and let her pick the obvious win where she can have it.
