Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I think we should try to delay the mantle transfer until Molly has her own afterlife (hell) with her devils with authority over the dead, one of whom can take on the mantle.

If we steal the mantle, from the example of Holt and Corpsetaker trying to do so, the obligations to obey Mab aren't retained.
Don't think we have the time for that.
Not sure why we would want to talk to Bob about it now, unless we are planning on sacrificing said twin (and all of its knowledge) to power the ritual. Which I don't think Molly would consider doing.
Alternatively, we could give Evil Bob the mantle, then have Matthews seal him away until we can bind him into a fetish. Probably a scythe or a gun, though a book might be a cool possibility if we were intending to use him more for the knowledge rather than the Ankou powers. Be a great Christmas present for someone. Or bribe for Mab if she's mad about us stealing the Mantle.

[X]Ask Bob if what he severed became its own spirit
[X]Discuss the situation and possible options with everyone present, including Lydia and Gard. Keep Crown secret.
 
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Alternatively, we could give Evil Bob the mantle, then have Matthews seal him away until we can bind him into a fetish. Probably a scythe or a gun. Be a great Christmas present for someone. Or bribe for Mab if she's mad about us stealing the Mantle.
I think there's a difference between what we're going to do and what the necromancers are trying to pull off.

Their plan is to extract everything they can from him to reprocess and eat. We're talking about waiting until the mantle is peeled off, and then killing them before the next phase begins.

Even if that's not the case and the power can be laundered, stealing a mantle from winter is a terrible idea. You guys are getting a little too far into the exalted hype; we aren't in the same league as the people you're talking about screwing with.

Eventually we might be, but that doesn't stop them from making Molly's life hell right now.

We're significantly less well equipped to handle this situation than Anawn is, and he still had to spend a century on the run to keep ahead of Mab.

Setting that aside for a moment, making knowledge spirit composed out of the research notes of the strongest necromancer in modern memory a god of death is asking for trouble. That's the sort of evil in a can that'll get loose way before we establish the needed tools and abilities.

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I think there's a difference between what we're going to do and what the necromancers are trying to pull off.

Their plan is to extract everything they can from him to reprocess and eat. We're talking about waiting until the mantle is peeled off, and then killing them before the next phase begins.

Even if that's not the case and the power can be laundered, stealing a mantle from winter is a terrible idea. You guys are getting a little too far into the exalted hype; we aren't in the same league as the people you're talking about screwing with.

Eventually we might be, but that doesn't stop them from making Molly's life hell right now.

We're significantly less well equipped to handle this situation than Anawn is, and he still had to spend a century on the run to keep ahead of Mab.

Setting that aside for a moment, making knowledge spirit composed out of the research notes of the strongest necromancer in modern memory a god of death is asking for trouble. That's the sort of evil in a can that'll get loose way before we establish the needed tools and abilities.

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Honestly I wasn't expecting to get to keep it. much as I might want to. I was mostly thinking "who will we not feel bad about handing over to Winter?"

From a certain point of view a weapon that comes with a built in encyclopedia and can be handed off to anyone on a mission likely to come into contact with necromancers is better than a historically flaky guy. Depending on how well it's made Mab may very well count herself as getting the better of the exchange.

You have a point about the risks of powering up EB, but if he's bound beforehand using methods that can handle the state change it should be managable.
 
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If Arawn gets away without being killed he should still hold the inactive Mantle, and we're probably only months away from having our own personal afterlife and wardens of dead souls. We don't need to jeep him out of Mab's clutches for long.
Maybe. I'm not so sure the consequences wouldn't be pretty bad though.

I hate to keep harping on the same point, especially since some of my replies have been less civil than they probably should have been, but I still think that angle is worth considering.

I mean, suppose we were playing Mab!Quest, or at least that a thread ruthless enough to run like she does was. Would we just take that and walk off? If we had her resources and motives, what could and would we do with them?


That's my main gripe. These plans sound neat if they work, but it doesn't feel like many take into account that we aren't the only ones who get a vote.

You have a point about the risks of powering up EB, but if he's bound beforehand using methods that can handle the state change it should be managable.
Bob is ridiculously good at magic, and evil Bob is at least his tier if not better. Unless we had him locked up in proper ancient sorcery bindings I'd have very little trust in our ability to stop him from getting out in the medium to long term.

I don't think we could get all the stuff needed to do it safely before something went wrong.

I also think we'd be buying it with animosity from the winter court, and giving it to them would probably just barely even the scales for the offense. Which would make it a waste of time to bother with.
 
Maybe. I'm not so sure the consequences wouldn't be pretty bad though.

I hate to keep harping on the same point, especially since some of my replies have been less civil than they probably should have been, but I still think that angle is worth considering.

I mean, suppose we were playing Mab!Quest, or at least that a thread ruthless enough to run like she does was. Would we just take that and walk off? If we had her resources and motives, what could and would we do with them?


That's my main gripe. These plans sound neat if they work, but it doesn't feel like many take into account that we aren't the only ones who get a vote.

Mab almost certainly doesn't know quite what an Exaltation is or what it can do. If she did she wouldn't have left one imprisoned next to Slade.

As a result, she won't know how powerful Molly is or what her capabilties are. All she'll know is that Molly is demonstrating multiple significant abilities. She probably does know what a Yama King is, and that they're powerful. The Exaltation stinks of Yomi Wan, and Molly will relatively soon unveil that she's the Yama Queen of a previously unknown but also presumably existing Thousand and Oneth Hell. You don't need a mantle to exert power in the Nevernever, which means that it could be very dangerous for Mab to go after Molly there, as what makes Mab strong is that unlike most of her peers she has a Mantle that still allows for significant influence over the material world.

What makes Moly even more dangerous, as unlike those other great powers of the Nevernever who, as I say; are strongly limited by their mantles in how much they can interact with the material world. Molly seems to have found a workaround and is able to exert significant power personally, in a realm where even Mab is seriously handicapped.

Note that the reason Hades no longer has much power relating to the material world is that people don't believe in ancient Greek religion anymore, which also means his afterlife is relatively empty. Billions of people do believe in the Hells of Hindu, Buddhist, and Chinese folk religious mythology. That should mean that the Yama Kings should be more powerful than ever and their Hells will be swollen with souls.

The changing of the guard due to the rise of the Abrahamic religions that has lead to the European, American, and probably African mythological pantheons being sidelined hasn't happened in Asia, which should be a serious worry to Mab.

Molly isn't actually that strong yet, but Mab is unlikely to know that, so Molly can probably bluff until she is. Particularly if she does things like demonstrate she rules an Afterlife.

And a mantle like that of the Eldest Ankou would be a really useful thing for Molly to give to one of her devils when she had them, as they're probably bound by the local metaphysical restrictions against entities of the Nevernever messing with the material, and having one of her devils being able to hunt necromancers would be very handy.
 
Mab almost certainly doesn't know quite what an Exaltation is or what it can do. If she did she wouldn't have left one imprisoned next to Slade.

As a result, she won't know how powerful Molly is or what her capabilties are. All she'll know is that Molly is demonstrating multiple significant abilities. She probably does know what a Yama King is, and that they're powerful. The Exaltation stinks of Yomi Wan, and Molly will relatively soon unveil that she's the Yama Queen of a previously unknown but also presumably existing Thousand and Oneth Hell. You don't need a mantle to exert power in the Nevernever, which means that it could be very dangerous for Mab to go after Molly there, as what makes Mab strong is that unlike most of her peers she has a Mantle that still allows for significant influence over the material world.

What makes Moly even more dangerous, as unlike those other great powers of the Nevernever who, as I say; are strongly limited by their mantles in how much they can interact with the material world. Molly seems to have found a workaround and is able to exert significant power personally, in a realm where even Mab is seriously handicapped.

Note that the reason Hades no longer has much power relating to the material world is that people don't believe in ancient Greek religion anymore, which also means his afterlife is relatively empty. Billions of people do believe in the Hells of Hindu, Buddhist, and Chinese folk religious mythology. That should mean that the Yama Kings should be more powerful than ever and their Hells will be swollen with souls.

The changing of the guard due to the rise of the Abrahamic religions that has lead to the European, American, and probably African mythological pantheons being sidelined hasn't happened in Asia, which should be a serious worry to Mab.

Molly isn't actually that strong yet, but Mab is unlikely to know that, so Molly can probably bluff until she is. Particularly if she does things like demonstrate she rules an Afterlife.

And a mantle like that of the Eldest Ankou would be a really useful thing for Molly to give to one of her devils when she had them, as they're probably bound by the local metaphysical restrictions against entities of the Nevernever messing with the material, and having one of her devils being able to hunt necromancers would be very handy.
Mab is the type of demigod that punched up until she was on top, and still regularly screws people up the ladder from her.

Winter fey don't start fights they don't think they can win, but aren't cowards either. What they do like to do is test things.

Mab has the mindset and experience to avoid stuff like giving herself analysis paralysis about potential power levels and conveniently leave us alone until we can contest her. Maybe she will make that mistake anyway, but it can't be guaranteed and if she picks any option or makes any analysis other than the one you're proposing we'll rapidly find ourselves in trouble.

This kind of gambling is how people hit it Vegas and lose everything they own.

Here's a relevant WoJ on this, the full quote has lots of interesting stuff but I'm snipping it down for size:

As far as she's concerned, everyone and everything is expendable, including herself, when it comes to adhering to her (seemingly irrational and inexplicable) priorities.

(And by the way–don't think Titania is much better. When push came to shove, she let her own daughter be murdered rather than upset the balance of the Faerie Courts. At least Mab is up front about it. Usually.)

Sacrifice her best troops? Mab would sacrifice every creature *in* Winter, every one she could bring from Summer, and every single mortal on planet Earth if that's what she thought was appropriate. And she wouldn't even need to add extra sugar to her cup of tea afterwards, much less lose sleep over it.

But no one does cold-blooded like the Queen of Winter. Mab's been in the business a long time, she's got a balance sheet, and she is *not* going to come out in the red–

–unless, of course, she really *has* stripped a gear, as Lily and Maeve believe. In which case there's a stark raving bonkers demigoddess whose powers are no longer being held in check by the Escher-esque code of Sidhe behavior. And that's all kinds of bad.
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Mab is going to look at her balance sheet and do a bit of financial math, then act on it. If it comes out red someone is paying the balance, and she isn't the type to dither about collecting.

We cannot reliably depend on forcing her to flinch in a specific direction and then commit to that course without further action.

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On the Yamma King stuff; we know at minimum that winter feels perfectly comfortable getting into fights with Emma-O, and even manages significant military victories over them.

I'm not so sure the white god left any afterlife intact after he took over, since his power isn't as limited or faith fueled as theirs seems to be. Even if I'm completely wrong on the cosmology the Yama Kings are apparently not so strong that Mab would balk from fight one supposing she was the type to do so in the first place.
 
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I'm not so sure the white god left any afterlife intact after he took over, since his power isn't as limited or faith fueled as theirs seems to be. Even if I'm completely wrong on the cosmology the Yama Kings are apparently not so strong that Mab would balk from fight one supposing she was the type to do so in the first place.
Pretty sure all souls return to the White God in the end, the path they take is up to them thou.
 
Pretty sure all souls return to the White God in the end, the path they take is up to them thou.
That could fit. My understanding was that he shut everyone down outside of specific special cases like sacrifices and people physically traveling to their realms, but I haven't been able to find a source to confirm things one way or another yet.

If you're right it adds an interesting angle to the backstory of the Yama Kings. Their whole "refuse to let souls move on so they can torture them for power forever" would have gone over real well with Uriel I'm sure.

They only got away with it in their original cosmology because there wasn't anyone big enough and interested enough to actually stop them.

Evidently they still got away with something because the Jade court exists, but I bet the backstory has more messily bisected fiends in it.
 
That could fit. My understanding was that he shut everyone down outside of specific special cases like sacrifices and people physically traveling to their realms, but I haven't been able to find a source to confirm things one way or another yet.

If you're right it adds an interesting angle to the backstory of the Yama Kings. Their whole "refuse to let souls move on so they can torture them for power forever" would have gone over real well with Uriel I'm sure.

They only got away with it in their original cosmology because there wasn't anyone big enough and interested enough to actually stop them.

Evidently they still got away with something because the Jade court exists, but I bet the backstory has more messily bisected fiends in it.
hades can keep souls that come into his realm according to him given he also says the only time that happens now is when people enter to try the gauntlet.

Edit: Also I'll note good chance White God is not merely the abrahamic one so much as thats just one lens we see him in. Dresden files makes it pretty clear we're just seeing one part and that the White God is a universal thing.
 
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hades can keep souls that come into his realm according to him given he also says the only time that happens now is when people enter to try the gauntlet.

Edit: Also I'll note good chance White God is not merely the abrahamic one so much as thats just one lens we see him in. Dresden files makes it pretty clear we're just seeing one part and that the White God is a universal thing.
That's what I meant by special circumstances. Physically traveling to a divine realm and willfully sacrificing your soul to the proprietor isn't exactly a normal occurrence.
 
That's what I meant by special circumstances. Physically traveling to a divine realm and willfully sacrificing your soul to the proprietor isn't exactly a normal occurrence.
mortal agents can probably also forcefully force other mortals. Like for instance a mortal agent of mikaboshi grabs a person and sends their soul to them. Just like how someone could theoretically grab a person and send them into hades vault. Not sure those without free will could forcefully kidnap someone this way without some mortal allowance in the process knowing or unknowing. Since being in the wrong place can mean your fucked afterall.
 
Alternatively, we could give Evil Bob the mantle, then have Matthews seal him away until we can bind him into a fetish. Probably a scythe or a gun, though a book might be a cool possibility if we were intending to use him more for the knowledge rather than the Ankou powers. Be a great Christmas present for someone. Or bribe for Mab if she's mad about us stealing the Mantle.
This is a catastrophically bad idea.
Evil Bob's personality had no trouble aiding Cowl when he was prepping the Darkhallow to kill a couple million people.
Investing that with divine power and authority is like giving an ISIS chieftain a working nuke.

If Arawn gets away without being killed he should still hold the inactive Mantle, and we're probably only months away from having our own personal afterlife and wardens of dead souls. We don't need to jeep him out of Mab's clutches for long.
There is nothing in the wording of our charms that suggests we need a god of death to babysit our Hell.
You're suggesting drawing the antagonism of a magical player a lot bigger than we are for something we dont need and cant use.
Because reasons.

Honestly I wasn't expecting to get to keep it. much as I might want to. I was mostly thinking "who will we not feel bad about handing over to Winter?"

From a certain point of view a weapon that comes with a built in encyclopedia and can be handed off to anyone on a mission likely to come into contact with necromancers is better than a historically flaky guy. Depending on how well it's made Mab may very well count herself as getting the better of the exchange.

You have a point about the risks of powering up EB, but if he's bound beforehand using methods that can handle the state change it should be managable.
A god is not a weapon, its a player.
I think you would be unpleasantly suprised if you expect to invest a spirit of knowledge with a mantle of Death and expect it to remain something you can command.

Mab almost certainly doesn't know quite what an Exaltation is or what it can do. If she did she wouldn't have left one imprisoned next to Slade.

As a result, she won't know how powerful Molly is or what her capabilties are. All she'll know is that Molly is demonstrating multiple significant abilities. She probably does know what a Yama King is, and that they're powerful. The Exaltation stinks of Yomi Wan, and Molly will relatively soon unveil that she's the Yama Queen of a previously unknown but also presumably existing Thousand and Oneth Hell. You don't need a mantle to exert power in the Nevernever, which means that it could be very dangerous for Mab to go after Molly there, as what makes Mab strong is that unlike most of her peers she has a Mantle that still allows for significant influence over the material world.

What makes Moly even more dangerous, as unlike those other great powers of the Nevernever who, as I say; are strongly limited by their mantles in how much they can interact with the material world. Molly seems to have found a workaround and is able to exert significant power personally, in a realm where even Mab is seriously handicapped.

Note that the reason Hades no longer has much power relating to the material world is that people don't believe in ancient Greek religion anymore, which also means his afterlife is relatively empty. Billions of people do believe in the Hells of Hindu, Buddhist, and Chinese folk religious mythology. That should mean that the Yama Kings should be more powerful than ever and their Hells will be swollen with souls.

The changing of the guard due to the rise of the Abrahamic religions that has lead to the European, American, and probably African mythological pantheons being sidelined hasn't happened in Asia, which should be a serious worry to Mab.

Molly isn't actually that strong yet, but Mab is unlikely to know that, so Molly can probably bluff until she is. Particularly if she does things like demonstrate she rules an Afterlife.

And a mantle like that of the Eldest Ankou would be a really useful thing for Molly to give to one of her devils when she had them, as they're probably bound by the local metaphysical restrictions against entities of the Nevernever messing with the material, and having one of her devils being able to hunt necromancers would be very handy.
1)Mab has dealings with everyone from the Archangel Uriel to the surviving Great Dragons to the Archive.
If she needs to, she can find out. And probably faster than we can, actually.

Assuming she doesnt already know; the thing was buried in the heart of her power for xenturies, so she got a very close look at it for a very long time. Hell, for all we know, Uriel sent Mab a briefing dossier; the woman commands Earth's defenses, so she might well have need to know.

2)My brother in Christ, Mab is powerful enough to wipe out the whole White Council, including the Senior Council, at once.
Powerful enough to party wipe the Red Court, by herself. By Word of Jim. She's not powerful because she's the only person able to act outside the NeverNever, she's powerful because she is Mab.

Those in her weight class are people like her sister and Ferrovax. Possiboy Ethniu, but Ethniu is a special case.
The only people more powerful than her are in the category of the Mothers and Angels.

3) Human remembrance grants continuing access to the mortal realms, not power. Very few people know of Ferrovax personally, which doesnt make him any less a Mab-tier Power or prevent him coming to Earth. Power in the mortal realm has nothing to do with mortal belief, else the Hindu pantheon would be major players, and they dont appear to be.

The White God just made the rules, and everyone else has to live by them.

4)We dont know how the Yama Kings work in this AU.

Just that Mab's forces thrashed Enma-O's armies and took the Exaltation from them when they met in the field. Which should tell you all you need to know about the relative tiers of power in this alternate Dresdenverse setting, when the side using a McGuyvered Infernal Exaltation as a weapon lose.

5)Bluff is not a thing you want to do to the Queen of Air and Darkness.

6)Zero indication that Molly has any need for any of that.
And if for some reason necromancers are a particular bugbear of ours, the White Council has never needed a god of death to hunt necromancers. They send war-parties of Wardens with no radios to do the job.

You're basically trying to reverse-engineer a justification for grand larceny.
 
I think having a friend with specific anti-ghost/undead powers will be important, since we do have that list of Thule members and there are yet many of them out there.

But I'd personally much prefer to keep Lydia on our side than to try any shenenigans with giving a Devil that doesn't exist yet her father's mantle through dubious rituals.
 
I wonder if the Demonic Primacy of Essence charm would give us an advantage over Nemesis hosts, or if it would be considered too powerful to be effected.

I forget.
How much longer is it until Harry gets hired to kill Maeve because of her Nemesis infection?
 
I wonder if the Demonic Primacy of Essence charm would give us an advantage over Nemesis hosts, or if it would be considered too powerful to be effected.

I forget.
How much longer is it until Harry gets hired to kill Maeve because of her Nemesis infection?
We're in AU book 9 territory or between 8 and 9 I think.

After book 9 is Small Favor, then Turn Coat, then Changes, then Ghost Story, then Finally Cold Days where Mab sends Winter Knight Dresden after Maeve.
 
I wonder if the Demonic Primacy of Essence charm would give us an advantage over Nemesis hosts, or if it would be considered too powerful to be effected.

I forget.
How much longer is it until Harry gets hired to kill Maeve because of her Nemesis infection?
I don't think it would be a power so much as a type thing, and influenced by the description vs system stuff more heavily than the average charm on top of that.

Outsiders would be good candidates for creatures of darkness, but the charm itself talks about invoking hellish authority to establish pecking order. Presumably this means pumping up the "archfiend out for a walk" aura that got us into trouble with Mouse.

Outsiders have no reason to respect that authority in particular though, even if they acknowledge and account for it in their strategies.
 
I don't think it would be a power so much as a type thing, and influenced by the description vs system stuff more heavily than the average charm on top of that.

Outsiders would be good candidates for creatures of darkness, but the charm itself talks about invoking hellish authority to establish pecking order. Presumably this means pumping up the "archfiend out for a walk" aura that got us into trouble with Mouse.

Outsiders have no reason to respect that authority in particular though, even if they acknowledge and account for it in their strategies.
I don't think that's all there is.

WoD-Vampires would have no reason to respect something from Yomi-Wan either, but they can notice there's a big bad something in the room and they want to keep their heads down.

I still agree that Outsiders are unlikely to be affected, but that's more because the Walkers are definitly too high-tier to fall under the effect and regular Outsiders don't even seem to be individual creatures, going by our short encounter.
 
I don't think it would be a power so much as a type thing, and influenced by the description vs system stuff more heavily than the average charm on top of that.

Outsiders would be good candidates for creatures of darkness, but the charm itself talks about invoking hellish authority to establish pecking order. Presumably this means pumping up the "archfiend out for a walk" aura that got us into trouble with Mouse.

Outsiders have no reason to respect that authority in particular though, even if they acknowledge and account for it in their strategies.
Hmm.
Possible, but this is Exalted stuff, and it tends to not care. So it may be close enough it doesn't matter, and we get treated as a higher ranked Outsider by it... or close enough that it acts wary of us.

I still agree that Outsiders are unlikely to be affected, but that's more because the Walkers are definitly too high-tier to fall under the effect and regular Outsiders don't even seem to be individual creatures, going by our short encounter.
Specifically mentions beings on the levels of Elder Vampires IIRC, and I don't think the Walkers are 'quite' that powerful (though could be wrong, as I've mentioned before, my Dresden Files knowledge is spotty from needing to reread.)
 
Specifically mentions beings on the levels of Elder Vampires IIRC, and I don't think the Walkers are 'quite' that powerful (though could be wrong, as I've mentioned before, my Dresden Files knowledge is spotty from needing to reread.)
Nemesis is something extremly powerful, though in a non-standard way that leaves me unsure if individual infected may be target to DPE depending on their own power-level.

The Walkers Behind and Before though are definitly individual high-powered and totally immortal things that are not lesser compared to ancient vamps.
 
I don't think that's all there is.

WoD-Vampires would have no reason to respect something from Yomi-Wan either, but they can notice there's a big bad something in the room and they want to keep their heads down.

I still agree that Outsiders are unlikely to be affected, but that's more because the Walkers are definitly too high-tier to fall under the effect and regular Outsiders don't even seem to be individual creatures, going by our short encounter.
That's a fair point. My thought process for things like vampires is that they're still part of the same world system, that visceral instinctive reaction to the authority is based on a recognition on that relationship.

Perhaps a better metaphor would be the governor of an American state meeting with someone from another country. You aren't subject to their authority, but you recognize that it exists and is legitimate.

Outsiders by contrast are conquering aliens that don't recognize humans as being real people, let alone having real governments.

I could just be parsing the charm wrong though.
Nemesis is something extremly powerful, though in a non-standard way that leaves me unsure if individual infected may be target to DPE depending on their own power-level.

The Walkers Behind and Before though are definitly individual high-powered and totally immortal things that are not lesser compared to ancient vamps.
Generally speaking that's probably correct on the power level stuff, though I'm curious if ancient vamps means ones like Mavra or ones like Drakul and the red king.
 
The Walkers Behind and Before though are definitly individual high-powered and totally immortal things that are not lesser compared to ancient vamps.
Generally speaking that's probably correct on the power level stuff, though I'm curious in ancient vamps means ones like Mavra or ones like Drakul and the red king.
Considering the source, not sure.
Remember, this is Ancient Vampires from WoD, which is a different kettle of fish than most of the vamps we've seen in DF, and may be considered as equal to, or rivaling, most of the god tier beings we've seen. Such as Mab in raw personal power (not counting the power her forces give her.)

So, depending on how DP converts things, quite possibly means Mavra, or could mean the Red King.
Or even things more powerful, and it works fine of all DF vamps (doubtful, but we'll see.)
 
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Considering the source, not sure.
Remember, this is Ancient Vampires from WoD, which is a different kettle of fish than most of the vamps we've seen in DF, and may be considered as equal to, or rivaling, most of the god tier beings we've seen. Such as Mab in raw personal power (not counting the power her forces give her.)

So, depending on how DP converts things, quite possibly means Mavra, or could mean the Red King.
Or even things more powerful, and it works fine of all DF vamps (doubtful, but we'll see.)
Mavra definitely isn't that tier. She's good, but she's at least a generation or two removed from Drakul - who is likely capable of playing in Mab's league as long as we're measuring that in terms of white room fights.

I mean Mavra still falls into the category of beings that Dresden thinks he could kill in a street fight. It wouldn't be easy by any means, but it's not impossible either.

Not exactly demigod tier.
 
4)We dont know how the Yama Kings work in this AU.

Just that Mab's forces thrashed Enma-O's armies and took the Exaltation from them when they met in the field. Which should tell you all you need to know about the relative tiers of power in this alternate Dresdenverse setting, when the side using a McGuyvered Infernal Exaltation as a weapon lose.

5)Bluff is not a thing you want to do to the Queen of Air and Darkness.

6)Zero indication that Molly has any need for any of that.
And if for some reason necromancers are a particular bugbear of ours, the White Council has never needed a god of death to hunt necromancers. They send war-parties of Wardens with no radios to do the job.

You're basically trying to reverse-engineer a justification for grand larceny.

Small note here, the exaltation as the Yama Kings were using was at what Usum calls 'the merest shadow of its true power'. You are using it as intended. Now granted you barely found where the steering wheel and the lights are because you are new at this, but Exaltations are designed to defeat things greater than gods, to break that which cannot be broken, kill that which you cannot die. Not that I am suggesting you take on Primordial War 2 Infernal Bugaloo, you are kind of short hundreds more celestial exaltations and abpout ten thousand terestrial. Even so the Powers That Be will likely treat Molly with deadly seriousness for better and for worse.
 
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