Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Thats the difference between Principle emulation and cosmic Principle. The first at E6 lets you draw on the powers of a certain Primordial or Yozi, but you remain fundamentally still human, only with powers from them on top. The end of the charmchain, Cosmic Principle, at E10, turns you fully into a (near) copy of the thing in question, but you lose your humanity and exaltation in exchange for becoming a titan in truth.
The problem with that line of thought is that it's not that Principle Emulation let K'tula do whatever and still be a Solar. But that she used Sorcery, to become so inhuman she had to emulate Yozis to make new Charms, meaning she was extremely far from humans and she still kept being a Solar with Solar Charms working.

Just no new ones.
 
Though I admit it's in character for solars to do something that brain dead and try to emulate a yozi like that. If one of my players tried that I'd be asking 'Are you sure' like six times lmfao. There should be severe consequences but whatever is left still has their solar powers and that sounds like a fun BBEG in my opinion.
Solars be like: no thoughts, head empty
 
I can see that make sense for some things, backrounds and details that are ultimatly overshadowed by the Exaltation, but leaving Molly full Dresden-magic would essentially leave her with two complementary and thematically unconnected powersets, which I just don't like as an idea for story or quest.
Not really?

I don't know about Exalts, but learning DF-style magic is not a quick or easy process. In canon Molly is exceptionally skilled in some varieties of magic and a fast learner, but it still took her years to really be considered a full practitioner. Even then, she was still very green and lacking in experience. Hell, Harry is still quite green by the standards of most wizards. He has his specialities and is skilled in his own right - it's been commented on more than once in the books and he's even admitted to it - but Harry gets by a lot on just being on the extreme upper end of power for Human practitioners.

She only has so much time and focus to spend on anything, and the more she focuses on her Exaltation the less time she will have for DF-style magic, and visa versa.
 
Black Nadir Concordat...
The origin of Necromancy is one of the biggest glorious fuckups that the Solars (and Lunars by association) has ever made.

They could've not delve into the Underworld and let the Neverborn to sleep and writhe in death. But noooo, they just had to poke around the slain former Architects of Creations do they?

End result? The Neverborn wakes, they now actively try to curse the Exaltation of their murderers, suceed by creating the Deathlords (oh my God, the Deathlords, what the hell White Wolf?!) and the Abyssal Exalted, slaying 90% of Creations' population AND bring about the Greatest Raksha invasion known to all since the Time of Glory (where Sol actively participates in the systematic culling of the Fair Folk using the Dirigible Daystar).
That's... that is the best news you have had all day, you can feel the relieved smile suddenly burst on your face with none of the awkwardness, but for some reason Harry does not take it well, his expression darkens to something a lot more judgey.

"Nelson won't though," he says still watching you carefully.

"Likely because you were more invested in retribution for his transgression than instruction on how to avoid repeating it in his case," Usum notes lightly, coiled at the root of your mind.

Also, speaking of being an abusive lover to your pregnant significant other, you know what this current situation reminds me of?

Desus, the Eclipse Caste Solar in Dreams of the First Age splatbook. That guy mind-raped his wife to always love him, beat her senseless whenever he thinks that she's not loyal to him (considering he's an Elder Exalted, he often times deluded that she has cheated on him in secrets due to his Great Curse filling him with mania and paranoia), gaslighted her by saying that he's only doing this out of love, and at one time killed his own unborn child by beating her too hard.

And you know what's even more damning? She couldn't even take it out on him because he would just use Sun and Moon Method (or colloquially known by Solars as the Lunar-Taming Leash) and mind-raped her to force her to love him again and other Lunars can't directly intervene because the Solars are the unquestioned rulers of Creation, free to do whatever they want (like turning the Dragon-Blooded Gentes Family that has served them loyally into their own consorts and slaves) and NO-ONE would've batted an eye.

They are the Solars, the bearers of the Mandate of Heaven, the chosen of the Chief of the Gods.

And they are the world's greatest Tyrants even more suppressing and evil than the former Primordials that they have suborned.

(And you know which of the Exalted Devs that has made the Sun and Moon Method? It's the same guy that wrote this fanbook. But honestly it isn't the worst. That goes to John Mørke)
 
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She couldn't even take it out on him because he would just use Sun and Moon Method (or colloquially known by Solars as the Lunar-Taming Leash)
Actually, Desus most likely didn't use that Charm. Why? He had a better one.

Desus had a Charm innovated by and for himself that caused whatever he did to be only seen and interpreted in the most positive light possible, including things like that.

It just also mindfucked himself because there was no clause it didnt modify his own perception too so...
 
Actually, Desus most likely didn't use that Charm. Why? He had a better one.

Desus had a Charm innovated by and for himself that caused whatever he did to be only seen and interpreted in the most positive light possible, including things like that.

It just also mindfucked himself because there was no clause it didnt modify his own perception too so...
Yeah, I can see that. In fact it's written that way in DotFA. It is quite similar to that Essence 6 Stealth Solar Charm but even more empowered. And since the bastard is an Essence 10 Elder Exalted, I find that highly likely to be the case.

Also if some of you want to know what Desus looks like... well, look at my profile picture.
 
Not a single person has argued for lying so... er looks like you are going to start of as an honest infernal.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 5, 2022 at 2:21 PM, finished with 53 posts and 7 votes.
>be me, an Infernal Exalted
>be not me, my bestfriend's asshole boyfriend
>gives her drug when she's pregnant
>itsblackmagictime.mp3
>gives him magical dementia
>"Do you feel sorry?"
>I could lie with Manipulation 3 and Subterfuge 3 boosted with Excellency
>"lol" I instead said, "lmao"

Yeah, no skin off our back.
 
Also, the wiki said he was Molly's BF and made no mention of him being the child's father, only that Molly tried to cure his drug addiction.

Can any one comment if the wiki is wrong?
 
Also, the wiki said he was Molly's BF and made no mention of him being the child's father, only that Molly tried to cure his drug addiction.

Can any one comment if the wiki is wrong?

I looked up Proven Guilty, it is spelled out black and white in the conversation at Saint Marry's.

"Rosie had already had a miscarriage, because she kept getting high. And when she lost the baby, she went to the hard stuff. Heroin. I begged her to go into rehab, but she was just… too far gone, I guess. But I thought maybe I could help her. With magic. Like you help people."

[...]

"Nelson was the father," I said quietly.
She shrugged. A tear streaked down her cheek. "They probably didn't even know what they were doing when it happened.
 
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>be me, an Infernal Exalted
>be not me, my bestfriend's asshole boyfriend
>gives her drug when she's pregnant
>itsblackmagictime.mp3
>gives him magical dementia
>"Do you feel sorry?"
>I could lie with Manipulation 3 and Subterfuge 3 boosted with Excellency
>"lol" I instead said, "lmao"

Yeah, no skin off our back.
Better get started on that Kingdom building for what kind of Hell we want you know?
Having targets for it is step one.

Edit: It's very good for everyone that no one knows thats going to be happening, thinking about it. Can you imagine the reactions?
 
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I think I might want to change our hell from being a jurry-rigged utopia for our loved ones, into a mind-destroying hellscape for unrepentant sinners.

Like, you know those people who'd pay lip services saying that they will change... only to return to their bad habits? Yeah, I think a new hell is in order.
 
I think I might want to change our hell from being a jurry-rigged utopia for our loved ones, into a mind-destroying hellscape for unrepentant sinners.

Like, you know those people who'd pay lip services saying that they will change... only to return to their bad habits? Yeah, I think a new hell is in order.
I mean...can't we cheat? If we use the Charms to bring people into our Hell they can stay there indefinitely, and then just use other Charms like Murder is Meat to bring others to Hell.

Why would we want both? It could be a feature. Have a central paradise for ourself and people we like and bring in, along with demons who we favour (as it will most likely need inhabitants), surrounded by moat or something and then around that just suffering.

Multi purpose as haven for us and ours, and extra suffering as those outside know and can see others live well and they are denied it.

Mandatory escape can be in the heaven part.
 
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Can we start collecting supernatural doggo familiars? Or are we only allowed one familiar?
The Familar Background says that the Exalt can empower one Familiar regardless of how high or how much dots the Background in question may be. So it might be that we may only have one Familiar. But who knows, maybe DP does it different here.
I mean...can't we cheat? If we use the Charms to bring people into our Hell they can stay there indefinitely, and then just use other Charms like Murder is Meat to bring others to Hell.

Why would we want both? It could be a feature. Have a central paradise for ourself and people we like and bring in, along with demons who we favour (as it will most likely need inhabitants), surrounded by moat or something and then around that just suffering.

Multi purpose as haven for us and ours, and extra suffering as those outside know and can see others live well and they are denied it.

Mandatory escape can be in the heaven part.
An inner circle where our most devoted loved ones can enjoy the fruits of their labour whilst the outer ring is where all the sinners are tortured and punished for their behaviors.

The sinners may only escape IF they have utterly repented for their sins and crimes.
 
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