Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Accepting responsibility has been the tone of earlier updates, the above will also reveal you feel you will have powers to fix minds, that might be seen as hubris. But then again you are Exalted, that is practically your middle name... well that and Katherine Amanda.
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Hubris is the power source of Exalted. For who else has the gall to try and suborn the original Creators of the universe.
This is not a lie by the way. Stunts in-lore works by entertaining the Pattern Spiders (the one who weave the tapestry of Fate) so much that they gave you a leg-up by enhancing your actions.
It's hard to not be hubristic when you are an Exalt.
And that's why the Usurpation happened...
This is not a lie by the way. Stunts in-lore works by entertaining the Pattern Spiders (the one who weave the tapestry of Fate) so much that they gave you a leg-up by enhancing your actions.
It's hard to not be hubristic when you are an Exalt.
And that's why the Usurpation happened...
That's not the full story though. Wizards can't just do anything, at least not practically. They have different individual talents and affinities that limit their power.
Canon Molly couldn't throw around kinetic force like Dresden could, and if Dresden tried manipulating minds like she can he'd scramble them like eggs. Even within that you have elemental alignment, like how Morgan naturally gets earth magic easily and Dresden's abilities with fire. They can work outside it, but it takes and older and more experienced wizard to do it in a useful way.
Even then there are limits. Harry can play with earth evocation spells, but even with a hundred more years of practice he'd probably still be wiping grey matter off the walls after most of his attempts to control minds.
Their gimmick is all based around their supernatural senses and their ability to play Batman with magic, not a lack of affinity.
To the other point, when Dresden took up the mantle of the winter knight it absolutely gave him an affinity for the winter court's magic, but his status as a wizard wasn't questioned for that. For other -primarily political - things sure, but not that.
Since that's a mantle of the same style as the major ones but still keeps the holder mortal while they have it I think it makes a good reference point for this.
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Bold of you to assume that a mortal is even close to an exalted otoh if an exalted wants to use DF magic I doubt that there's anything that could stop them if the exalted wanted it enough
Wonder what charm would suppress/remove the effects negative effects of a wizards sight
You would need something that can edit supernaturally clear memories, I think there are a few charms that do that but not freely.
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Well I think we're planning to have him soul gaze us at some point unless there's something else that can verify with the same accuracy as a soul gaze
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Technically not how it works anymore in 3e. Stunts are just stunts and expression of the exalts power.
On another note. The new Hearteaters are absolute nightmare inducing exalted. If one of those fucking things got into Dresdenverse it would be a disaster. They sat down and made a proper horrifying exalted and they succeeded in basically every way.
Being able to implant absolute devotion into a entire city in a single day if they're are strong enough. Also would be able to do the same to the Fae. No need for sneaky words or agreements. Just a straight up influence roll pysche roll.
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You have no idea IC, Molly does not even know what the sight is because her demonic source seems to know a lot more about demons and spirits than mortal practitioners.
Isn't that the point? Exaltation lets you fight gods and monsters, but you still stay human on some level. Which is why that charm set that turns you into a god/primordial mentioned earlier causes you to lose the exaltation.
Pretty sure you don't, you keep the exaltation until death, with the exaltation forming the core of the new existence. While you start as a human you can totally change yourself in a number of ways, their was one exalt that had mutated themsleves so much that they needed to develop new charms as the older ones meant for humans no longer worked for them.
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For any story or quest I would still prefer it if all that magical potential is locked in to our charms and anima, at least for short-term uses, unlike ritual-stuff.
It would just feel wrong if someone could use Exalted powers and Dresden-magic at once without major downsides.
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You do, as far as i know, at least in 2e. If you pick full primordial principle whatever, you become a primordial/yozi/whatever, but your exaltation goes away.
Here, Return of the Scarlet Emperess:
That's a common misunderstanding, but no, they don't have to. There are multiple examples of Exalts keeping their pre-Exaltation mutations.
An Exalted beastman is still a beastman, an Exalted demon blood can still have demon blooded mutations and charms, and the same for ghost blooded.
Yep, the fluff of Primordial Principle Emulation has this.
And this did not result in her stopping being a Solar. It didn't even stop her from using her old Solar Charms, just that she couldnt make new Charms to specifically exploit her new body.Primordial Principle Emulation said:
And she kept being a Solar tentacle monster.
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Not canon anymore. Exaltation does not burn out mutations unless you want them to. Like half the characters I play are mutants lol. My Lunar had so many from living in a tribe at the bottom of the sea that she was nearly pushing into non human territory.
Even got to play beastwoman DB before. Warning for spiders.
You can ignore K'tula since it's old canon and new canon would still let them do solar stuff.
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☺️ She looks so pretty🥰Even got to play beastwoman DB before. Warning for spiders.
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Okay, cute spider.Not canon anymore. Exaltation does not burn out mutations unless you want them to. Like half the characters I play are mutants lol. My Lunar had so many from living in a tribe at the bottom of the sea that she was nearly pushing into non human territory.
Even got to play beastwoman DB before. Warning for spiders.
You can ignore K'tula since it's old canon and new canon would still let them do solar stuff.
I can see that make sense for some things, backrounds and details that are ultimatly overshadowed by the Exaltation, but leaving Molly full Dresden-magic would essentially leave her with two complementary and thematically unconnected powersets, which I just don't like as an idea for story or quest.
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Which is a perfectly acceptable line of thought. One I agree with somewhat as well. Very much prefer to really focus on our own stuff instead of dabbling in other areas.
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Thats the difference between Principle emulation and cosmic Principle. The first at E6 lets you draw on the powers of a certain Primordial or Yozi, but you remain fundamentally still human, only with powers from them on top. The end of the charmchain, Cosmic Principle, at E10, turns you fully into a (near) copy of the thing in question, but you lose your humanity and exaltation in exchange for becoming a titan in truth.
Though thats likely irrelevant with 3Ed
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Though I admit it's in character for solars to do something that brain dead and try to emulate a yozi like that. If one of my players tried that I'd be asking 'Are you sure' like six times lmfao. There should be severe consequences but whatever is left still has their solar powers and that sounds like a fun BBEG in my opinion.
Which makes sense. It would feel very weird to me if you had someone exalt and then the things that led them to being able to do so got burned out and replaced with completely unrelated abilities right from the start.
Molly is and exalted wizardling, discarding something so core to who she is and will be feels wrong to me. We might as well be playing as Murphy or Charity instead of Molly at that point.
Only if we build her around being an eldritch paladin instead of around the themes and abilities of the character.