Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

What we need is demonic primacy of essence to social to get minions. And VED to empower those minions. Throw in the tech excellency as well to bring the city infrastructure under our control.
 
I definitly don't want any 20-point Charms yet.
We still have a lot of basics to catch up on.

Soak, one ranged/area option (Sandblast for precision or Erupting Fury for effect), the don't-notice-me Charm and Primacy of Essence are all good things to have soon.
 
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@DragonParadox I have a quick question on perfect defense and anti shaping charms if you don't mind.

Normally I'd assume they're completely distinct in most cases, but with the fluff vs. system rulings we've gotten in the past I'm curious if the overlap changes.

Turing into wind or shadow probably doesn't help with stuff like time locks, but counter conceptual imposition does some crazier stuff.

Counter-ConCeptual interposition (••••) Pouring her Essence into a defensive shield shaped by her understanding and will, the Infernal defends herself by provoking glitches in the fabric of the uni- verse. This might mean that part of a wall suddenly appears in the path of an attack for a moment, or that a hail of bullets forget where they should travel as they approach the Infernal and instead embed themselves in the wall behind her without ever passing through her. It might simply mean that reality itself becomes a garbled, pixelated mess for a moment, and when the
distortion clears, the Infernal remains unharmed. System: Reflexively spend 1 Essence in response to an attack. The attack fails to strike the Infernal without any further dice rolls. If the Infernal spends 2 Essence, then she perfectly defends against all attacks from a single source or opponent for the rest of the turn. If the Infernal doesn't really understand what she's de- fending against – if she's being attacked by a sort of su- pernatural being she doesn't recognize, or if it's using a power and she doesn't fully grasp how it works – then
this Charm's cost rises by 1 Essence.
Instead of trying one particular trick to neutralize an attack, the infernal forces reality to have a seizure that ends with her being safe from the attack.

Is this a broad enough effect to block some varieties of shaping effect?
Transcendent Lord of Flies immunizes you from environmental damage like choking due to lack of air in a vacuum.
Just add Rage Recast(Flight) and you're golden.

Frankly a hack that Ive been contemplating is abusing orbital mechanics to get around long distances.
If you have TLF to avoid suffocation or cold damage, have RR(Flight) for mobility, and add Windborn Stride for extra speed, you should be able to plot suborbital flight profiles to get around international distances quickly. Just climb.

But my math-fu is weak.
@Yog can probably explain if there's any physical impediment to it working.
RR flight plus the speed boost and limitless stamina charms would be faster, but I like the ancient sorcery spell for this because we can just declare a location and the spell figures it out for us. No need to risk getting lost in space.
 
Without HMP we wouldn't know anything about what the FBI is doing or what Kattrin plans.
But we would still be saving Cindy here and we would likely still confront Kattrin together with Gard later, through just one more use of the Crown.

Having more backround-information is nice, but in this scenario it hasn't really changed our actions.
Edit: Meanwhile if we had more combat-focus Kattrin might already be dead, just by voting for the confrontation at Matthew's home.
1)Without HMP, we wouldnt know who Kattrin is.
Redhead who reminds you of Gard is not a name, she didnt introduce herself, Mathews did not name her, and Molly does not have the training to run searches on license plates.

We wouldnt know that she brought Mathews to Chicago, or what addresses she went to.

We wouldnt know about the Black Feast or that the Capriocorpus was involved.
We wouldnt even know where Cindy is because Molly doesnt have the time or expertise to trawl social media for Cindy's picture to act as a focus for Crown of Eyes.

Like I said, we'd be fumbling in the dark.
We'd be a lot tankier, but without the information and guidance to aim that weapon, it might as well not exist.

2) I seriously doubt that.
You would be attempting to duel Kattrin with no information on her loadout, her abilities, and with her being able to coerce Mathews for support. The first we'd know about her having time manipulation would be when she ZA WARUDO'd us on Mathews' front lawn.
 
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1)Without HMP, we wouldnt know who Kattrin is.
Redhead who reminds you of Gard is not a name, she didnt introduce herself, Mathews did not name her, and Molly does not have the training to run searches on license plates.

We wouldnt know that she brought Mathews to Chicago, or what addresses she went to.

We wouldnt know about the Black Feast or that the Capriocorpus was involved.
We wouldnt even know where Cindy is because Molly doesnt have the time or expertise to trawl social media for Cindy's picture to act as a focus for Crown of Eyes.

Like I said, we'd be fumbling in the dark.
We'd be a lot tankier, but without the information and guidance to aim that weapon, it might as well not exist.

2) I seriously doubt that.
You would be attempting to duel Kattrin with no information on her loadout, her abilities, and with her being able to coerce Mathews for support. The first we'd know about her having time manipulation would be when she ZA WARUDO'd us on Mathews' front lawn.
My preferred timeline remains the one where we try to convince Matthews that we can save his granddaughter and he uses a bound spirit to shake our shoulder when Kattrin tries her freeze.
Getting a picture of Cindy is trivial, as we are right at his house where lots of her things are around.

With Kattrin dead and us on the way to save Cindy, the Capricorpus would hardly be our problem, she would be hunted by the Eldest Ankou and propably have to leave town or die finally this weekend.
 
Huh, now I'm wondering how much XP we have banked for the arc already, and if DP will do something like the end of Arc 0, when he let us spend XP right before the fight started.

Because man, I would love to buy EIPP and get our shaping defense up before that fight. At that point it basically becomes a stomp, since I don't think she can fight both a Knight of the Cross and someone rolling 20 Melee dice who can no-sell her hax at the same time and win, and that's before Shintai.

I think EIPP is Lanka? Which would make it 15 XP? Otherwise it's 20. Either way, I want to make it a priority now so we don't have to deal with this nonsense in the future.
EIPP is a Wicked City charm. Malfeas had the shaping defense charm Purity of Madness Defense that should have a Lankan equivalent, and be much cheaper XP wise but it wasn't explicitly included in the WoD cross, so who knows if DP will let us use it.
 
My preferred timeline remains the one where we try to convince Matthews that we can save his granddaughter and he uses a bound spirit to shake our shoulder when Kattrin tries her freeze.
Getting a picture of Cindy is trivial, as we are right at his house where lots of her things are around.

With Kattrin dead and us on the way to save Cindy, the Capricorpus would hardly be our problem, she would be hunted by the Eldest Ankou and propably have to leave town or die finally this weekend.
As far as we know, Mathews doesnt know about her temporal powers.
By his own claims, he wasnt that senior when he left the Society. Hell, I doubt Gorfels knew about them, and he was middle management for decades.

We got the straight dope from a follower of Odin, who actually knows what she did and what its vulnerable to.
Its not exactly public knowledge; wizards and supernaturals try to keep their trump cards secret. Nicodemus goes to the trouble of running down and destroying Church archives every couple decades or so for precisely that reason.

So no, that wouldnt work IMO.

And I'll remind you what Intimacies do to mortal social dice rolls, as evidenced by Charity.
Mathews has a second grankid in the house, and no reason to believe Molly can beat Kattrin. He doesnt even know her name, and she has no supernatural reputation yet to provide extra dice or DC reduction on that roll.

Relying on a successful social roll against high DCs to not die to a Denarian-tier necromancer is...suboptimal.
 
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As far as we know, Mathews doesnt know about her temporal powers.
By his own claims, he wasnt that senior when he left the Society. Hell, I doubt Gorfels knew about them, and he was middle management for decades.

We got the straight dope from a follower of Odin, who actually knows what she did and what its vulnerable to.
Its not exactly public knowledge; wizards and supernaturals try to keep their trump cards secret. Nicodemus goes to the trouble of running down and destroying Church archives every couple decades or so for precisely that reason.

So no, that wouldnt work IMO.

And I'll remind you what Intimacies do to mortal social dice rolls, as evidenced by Charity.
Mathews has a second grankid in the house, and no reason to believe Molly can beat Kattrin. He doesnt even know her name, and she has no supernatural reputation yet to provide extra dice or DC reduction on that roll.

Relying on a successful social roll against high DCs to not die to a Denarian-tier necromancer is...suboptimal.
couple notes its every century of two that nicodemus wipes those and a fun note word of jim every single senior council members has powers/skills/abilities that the every single other senior council member doesn't know about. Some natural abilities some from other things.
 
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Arc 2 Post 29: Rolling Down South
Rolling Down South

22st of July 2006 A.D.

Use one enemy to stymie another, you can see Gard's point, you can really see Gard's point. If dad weren't here... well it's a good thing dad is here or this would be a lot tougher on your conscience to resist, especially with a literal demon weighing in on the other side with such reasonable arguments as "It's their avowed purpose it is not?" But your dad is here and even Usum does not think it would be possible to persuade him to use the FBI agents as canon fodder, so you might well end up between FBI bullets and ghoul claws which is not an enviable position to be in.

So you make the argument to Gard, well not the part where you could see yourself being persuaded to go for it, but judging by the knowing gleam in those ice blue eyes as they slip to your dad's face and then to yours you suspect she knows.

"Do you have a car we could use, just the car I mean?" you ask as much to distract her as anything. "I don't really want my car connected with... anything that might happen."

"Yes," she answers curtly before taking out her phone to to shoot off a bunch of texts.

What arrives to pick you up is not the big black sedan that had carried Gorfel off. The off-off- white pickup looks like it was new when Ronald Regan was president and the sound of its engine is somewhere between pitiable and alarming. The driver is the same though and this time he introduces himself as 'Handricks' with a slightly too tight handshake that you return with interest.

As you approach the Englewood around southside, the sound of the of the train an odd warning in the distance Hendricks surprrises you by asking Gard: "You sure you can handle this with just the three of you?"

"No, I am not sure, it's battle not a picnic." Her answering tone is too flat to even read annoyance into it and Hendricks does not say anything more about it. Is Marcone worried she'll get herself killed on his watch you wonder?

"Er..." you clear your throat a little self-consciously. "We are going to need to cut the landlines and preferably the power as well to the place before we attack. We don't want Katrina coming up behind us with reinforcements."

"No point, they'll have cell phones..." Gard starts, but you cut her off.

"I can make simple EMP devices, assuming there's a hardware store around here."

Dad is worried about that leaving evidence. He probably wasn't expecting you to rattle off a list of components to make an EMP and the way you would go about making one. It's not all making armor and forging shields. You flash him a confident grin. Time to get that little girl back and those Nazis' beaten up again.

"What else can you make?" Gard asks as she is checking her own weapon, a vicious looking double headed axe gleaming with the care that had been given it.

A new door, you think. While the vague notion of digging straight into the chamber Cindy is in had proven unworkable even inside your own head cutting up a wall should be a lot easier and while you would not call it quiet it would at least be over quickly. On the other hand you doubt that Gard had power tools fit to break though concrete on hand so if you are going to come at this from an unexpected angle you would have to reveal that you can conjure tools.

What preparations do you make for the entrance?

[] Just EMP emitters

[] Be ready to cut an unexpected entrance though the back wall of the tattoo parlor with Tool Transcending constructs

[] Write in


OOC: This is a lot shorter than I had meant this to be, I did a lot of hemming and hawing over if I should just roll though with the prep work that makes sense to me, but some of this stuff uses essence and reveals abilities that you did not talk about so I did not feel comfortable making the call.
 
probably good to get our dad to tell us a secret he knows for the purpose of some more essence guys? also maybe after battle since that'll be a good in between and a new scene.
 
@DragonParadox I have a quick question on perfect defense and anti shaping charms if you don't mind.

Normally I'd assume they're completely distinct in most cases, but with the fluff vs. system rulings we've gotten in the past I'm curious if the overlap changes.

Turing into wind or shadow probably doesn't help with stuff like time locks, but counter conceptual imposition does some crazier stuff.


Instead of trying one particular trick to neutralize an attack, the infernal forces reality to have a seizure that ends with her being safe from the attack.

Is this a broad enough effect to block some varieties of shaping effect?

RR flight plus the speed boost and limitless stamina charms would be faster, but I like the ancient sorcery spell for this because we can just declare a location and the spell figures it out for us. No need to risk getting lost in space.

Counter-Conceptual interposition is what happens when you start giving reality a stroke, that would work against time powers.
 
[X] Be ready to cut an unexpected entrance though the back wall of the tattoo parlor with Tool Transcending constructs
 
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I don't want to expend any Essence or Willpower this early, not when there is so much combat expected in the coming hours.

[X] Just EMP emitters
 
Hmm. Englewood? 94% black Englewood has a white gang tattoo parlor?
We're probably going to stand out like a sore thumb too, especially on a summer Saturday.
On the bright side, noone talks to cops, so I doubt anyone's gonna talk.

Hendricks is along? Huh. Getaway driver, I guess.

It didnt even occur to me that Molly could make an explosive breaching charge.
Or just use Tool Constructs to go through the wall.
Hell, Demon Sword probably works as well.

True Love conquers even a nosy Infernal's senses!
 
Yeah. I think we shouldn't spend more than 2 essence between now and the first fight then no more than 3 during it, preferably 2 or less.

That way we come into the final fight with 4-5 essence.
With luck and Gard and dad's help we can go through the humans without spending Essence.
Particularly if we could get our hands on a flashbang.

For the ghouls we might want either melee excellence or flare Anima and set our sword on hellfire in an attempt to scare them away.
 
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