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Maybe put something on our shirt/vest that regular people will consider some perfectly senseless feel-good quote.
"Fallen Angels burn twice as bright"
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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"Fallen Angels burn twice as bright"
You are mistaken.
The point of existence of the Knights is to redeem the people bound to the coins.
Thats why they always offer surrender, and always to the people. This was true from the appearance of Ursiel in Death Masks.
The angels themselves are beyond their jurisdiction.
This.
Its worth remembering that when Sanya rebelled, he dropped his coin into a Venetian canal.
Yet the Denarian Magog is up and about.
Sanya was 21 when he threw away his coin, and we know he's younger than Michael
So Magog was underwater for substantially less than twenty years.
I would not assume any mortal measures will take them out of play.
Of course, the Catholic Church currently holds 13 coins as of Small Favor, not counting any of the ones killed at the Shedd Aquarium. So human guarded sites have some success.
Reasonably sure they'd have a perfect defense equivalent.
Fallen angels are independent discrete entities not subsouls of the White God.
Only entity that arguably qualifies as a subsoul is Lash as a subsoul of Lasciel
And frankly Lash is closer to a Splintered Gale clone.
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That depends heavily on the nature of the Fallen.
This is the only Malfeas-Charm that true-kill immortal things and I'm sure Ligier can use it to its fullest extend:
It can't slay things with a certain level of immortality and the only person who could answer "how immortal exactly are the Fallen" is DP.
And we don't have any perms-death charms, just ones that exile spirits to a hell.
And we can't reach the Essence 7 level required to kill really hardy things anyway.
And we can't reach the Essence 7 level required to kill really hardy things anyway.
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Gonna be honest good chance creation is beyond time travel. good chance its been erased in the cosmic sense or is too many reality iterations ago for time travel to mean anything when it may predate the current realities time.
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I know, Yog was talking about Ligier's Charms, not ours. He has Essence over 7.
But even presuming that either the requisites get adapted with the system-change so we could use it in full, it's still not certain it would actually work.
That would be pretty metal, although I've only known Infernals getting good at killing immortals by going Devil Tiger and leaning into the 'ultimate divine predator' vibe by literally eating the souls of their defeated foes.
It's a bit involved and probably not much of a thing here.
Although saying a Devil Tiger can be good at a specific thing is kind of like saying a Solar can be good at a thing.
Eating the Fallen would definitely add to the Heavy Metal album cover thing though.
Yzarc
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And what about the "not good guys" or as I said, a person who wants revenge costs be damned?
At the very least, wikipedia tells me otherwise. The page on Knights of the Cross has this listed as their purpose:
Though yeah, I admit that this might be a misinterpretation. As to them busting out and teleporting to Earth if sent to space, Word of Jim:
So, there might be some plans for that. Also, Denarians are here at least in part because they might stab Satan in the back.The Fallen bound in the coins are the freaking elite of Hell–everyone the big D didn't want trying to stab him in the back, basically. If they were suddenly freed it would do all kinds of horrible things to about a million balances of power, with repercussions that would last for centuries.
Which assumes that [the coins] /can/ be destroyed. I mean, don't think that in 2,000 years, no one has ever TRIED it. And there are still thirty of them kicking around.
Which isn't necessarily to say that it's impossible. But it sure as Hell wouldn't be easy. And given that, while in the coins, they ARE effectively frozen in carbonite without a human agent to assist them, containment certainly seems to be a prudent course.
Funny you should mention that whole notion about redeeming Lasciel . . . >
So, actually sending them off-world might work. As to why this wasn't done yet? Space travel has just started. There wasn't time to try yet. This might be a viable solution.What's the range of influence for the Fallen in the coins? How far can they extend themselves away from their Denarian hosts?
Oh, their range is very, very limited, to this one little planet.
Getting them via ways to the moon might work, but it's probably hard.
Within planetary range they have influence. Getting them off-planet is not easy.
Ok it looks like we are discussing using Molly's soul as a prison for some of the worst things in the universe. Clearly that means the vote is settled
Death Masks:
Little bit of trivia:
Canon Molly casts spells in Japanese.
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That quote is from 2006.Denarians and fallen
Quote from: Bob on November 30, 2006, 09:31:59 PM
Well. Not quite freely, but MORE freely, certainly. The Fallen bound in the coins are the freaking elite of Hell–everyone the big D didn't want trying to stab him in the back, basically. If they were suddenly freed it would do all kinds of horrible things to about a million balances of power, with repercussions that would last for centuries.
Which assumes that they /can/ be destroyed. I mean, don't think that in 2,000 years, no one has ever TRIED it. And there are still thirty of them kicking around.
Which isn't necessarily to say that it's impossible. But it sure as Hell wouldn't be easy. And given that, while in the coins, they ARE effectively frozen in carbonite without a human agent to assist them, containment certainly seems to be a prudent course.
Funny you should mention that whole notion about redeeming Lasciel . . . >
Jim
White Night, where Lash did a Heel Face Turn and died saving Dresden's bacon, was published in 2007.
So that was what Jim was smirking about there.
With a generous take on the capabilities of ancient sorcery, Cirrus Skiff could basically be a very slow spaceship.
As long as we had a charm that would let Molly survive at the other side, and something to provide the essentials for a minimum 120 day round trip I think we could get there physically.
That said, my assumption would be that they have an AoE for their influence rather than a strict region lock. They'd eventually escape the moon, or be retrieved, but it would involve spending an unusual amount of time screwing around in the proverbial lobby before they're allowed back into the game.
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Huh, now I'm wondering how much XP we have banked for the arc already, and if DP will do something like the end of Arc 0, when he let us spend XP right before the fight started.
Because man, I would love to buy EIPP and get our shaping defense up before that fight. At that point it basically becomes a stomp, since I don't think she can fight both a Knight of the Cross and someone rolling 20 Melee dice who can no-sell her hax at the same time and win, and that's before Shintai.
I think EIPP is Lanka? Which would make it 15 XP? Otherwise it's 20. Either way, I want to make it a priority now so we don't have to deal with this nonsense in the future.
Because man, I would love to buy EIPP and get our shaping defense up before that fight. At that point it basically becomes a stomp, since I don't think she can fight both a Knight of the Cross and someone rolling 20 Melee dice who can no-sell her hax at the same time and win, and that's before Shintai.
I think EIPP is Lanka? Which would make it 15 XP? Otherwise it's 20. Either way, I want to make it a priority now so we don't have to deal with this nonsense in the future.
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I think we'd have at least twenty exp we've done plenty of exp worthy things this arc. Though still need to win, save the girl, save the ankou, discover the other plots, and defeat the forsaken valkyrie and whatever threats there are. Oh also getting harry out of jail will largely be a consequence of our work so good on us.
Best thing is to social the coins into being a version of Akum
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Considering the situation I would really love to fit in Erupting Fury Rebuke.
You can't call for help if your phone explodes and deals massive damage to you in the process.
It's like a much more violent version of Harry's spell for weaponizing his techbane.
You can't call for help if your phone explodes and deals massive damage to you in the process.
It's like a much more violent version of Harry's spell for weaponizing his techbane.
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Transcendent Lord of Flies immunizes you from environmental damage like choking due to lack of air in a vacuum.
Just add Rage Recast(Flight) and you're golden.
Frankly a hack that Ive been contemplating is abusing orbital mechanics to get around long distances.
If you have TLF to avoid suffocation or cold damage, have RR(Flight) for mobility, and add Windborn Stride for extra speed, you should be able to plot suborbital flight profiles to get around international distances quickly. Just climb.
But my math-fu is weak.
@Yog can probably explain if there's any physical impediment to it working.
I dont agree.
We would be fumbling in the dark right now if not for our choice of charms earlier on. Being killy makes you an excellent weapon, but someone still needs to guide that weapon. Investment in utility was critical. Still is.
HMP, for example, has more than demonstrated its utility in a technological society.
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Without HMP we wouldn't know anything about what the FBI is doing or what Kattrin plans.
But we would still be saving Cindy here and we would likely still confront Kattrin together with Gard later, through just one more use of the Crown.
Having more backround-information is nice, but in this scenario it hasn't really changed our actions.
Edit: Meanwhile if we had more combat-focus Kattrin might already be dead, just by voting for the confrontation at Matthew's home.
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That does not work as we got here due to decisions we made based on what charms we took and if we had taken different charms. Would we have ended up here with different charms? Perhaps, perhaps not, but it is equally possible, with more confidence in combat, we would have fought Kristina then and there and perhaps won.
So saying that HMP was objectively the best choice is flawed as we only see the consequences of picking that charm and not would have resulted if we had picked other charms.
Without HMP we wouldn't know critical details (like the Dark Feast and the involvement of the Capriocorpus) that we could have used to convince the Eldest Ankou that there's a threat and got him to take precautions or supply additional forces.
We've chosen not to, but we had that very useful option.
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Right, that is an information that might have changed our actions.
But it didn't, so that's not a good example either.