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If you do not mind me asking, where are we on this scale? As in the next level up, we have 9 sux on learning it, so how would that effect things? Can we directly purchase the path and if so, at what xp cost?
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Unlikely.
If the White God wanted to deny people that knowledge, he'd already have a Perfect effect running.
And when Perfect effects come to a roll-off, his Essence equivalent is a lot higher than ours.
Dresdenverse, not Creation.
This was presumably Uriel's motive.
1)Because I dont expect it to work.
Thats entirely too contrived a set of circumstances to be feasible, amd will probably lead to Bad Things in an attempt to cheese mechanics. Narratively, at no point do you have a raiding party infighting without it ending in disaster.
2)Thats the whole strengths and weaknesses question. I saw no point to break out death curses specifically.
Gard has been a soldier for longer than any nation on Earth has even existed; I presume she can put togther a succint briefing hitting salient points really quickly if she wants to.
Do Infernals even have a separate spiritkiller?
Besides the demonweapon dealing Agg, and general Agg charms, I cant think of any in the Infernal charmset
A couple charms to banish you to Hell, but no spiritkiller.
It costs 1 Essence and 1 WP to activate; thats half the activation cost of a shintai, and you get shintai for free at E2.
This you have to buy for 20XP.
It might actually be underpowered for its cost.
There's likely to be a Knight of the Cross, and two psychopomps and a spirit binder in the area, if we keep the Ankou and Mathews alive. Surfeit of options.
Besides, its worth remembering that ghosts True Deathed her in canon; no dedicated spiritkillers necessary
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You would have to kill her bodyless spirit next, which requires both the ability to see ghosts that haven't gone corporeal and the ability to harm them
And then she will propably try to run, not fight after loosing her body, giving the would-be-killer a very limited window.
The way I expect her to work is that killing her current body never true-deaths her, no matter thd weapon used.
You would have to kill her bodyless spirit next, which requires both the ability to see ghosts that haven't gone corporeal and the ability to harm them
And then she will propably try to run, not fight after loosing her body, giving the would-be-killer a very limited window.
You paid 9/15 of the successes needed for your first XP point, once you get that first point you can buy skin of steel at the price of an extra 3 XP or you can train until you get another 15 successes and buy it for 2 XP.
Keep in mind you had five days of training so far, this is lightning fast by any reasonable metric of learning magic
She doesnt have a current body.
Not unless the QM changes it. She's a ghost. Without a physical body behind her, she doesnt have the metaphysical leverage to steal herself a new body without a lot of prep work and buildup.
She can occasionally materialize a body out of ectoplasm in the interim, but she doesnt have a physical body of flesh and blood.
Not unless Kattrin grabbed some poor person and murdered them to give her a meat suit.
And in that case, Amoracchius will SMITE. Because Ammie dont care.
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Thanks for the clarification. Though I do want to aks if in the next xp spending turn, we cannot just outright purchase the path unless we have at least 15sux in it?
As in, if the next turn was a spending turn we cannot just purchase it at 4/8/12?
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If she is ready to mess around in Chicago again I'm assuming she does have a body again.
Propably not a proper Wizard's body yet, but I doubt the rider of stolen steeds goes onto dangerzones without a horse.
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As per GM, Murder is Meat will do it.
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MiM will still send her to Hell, as far as I can read it.
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Here are the relevant quotes.
Something very close tothis thematically was confirmed as workable previously:
We, in fact, considered something like this in-character:
CCC is one of the more dangerous ones to share, since knowing about it means anyone who wants to mess with us will alter their strategies to account for it.
You're also way too free with trying to munchkin this ability in my opinion. Sure it gives a great bonus, but it doesn't make us unbeatable and requires entering a situation with a distinct and legitimate disadvantage. If make a habit of arranging them it will eventually bite us in the ass.
In any case, she doesn't need to know our full charm set because we don't need her to be our brain. We can manage our own direction and make specific limited suggestions as they become relevant instead of going through everything that may come up.
If she observes it then she observes it, but there isn't any reason to give her more context through our own testimony if we don't have to.
There are a few places where that might be sub optimal for the near term, but since we have to deal with the consequences of this arc going forward over sharing could seriously cost us.
That particular spirit killer would be interesting, depending on some of the afterlife details of modern DF.
I don't recall all of the specifics, but I'm under the impression that the white god basically took over the afterlife for the most part and that the old afterlives don't really see any new traffic these days even if they get to keep the people already inside them (primarily based on the situation with Hades).
So if we use a spirit killer that sends them to a hell instead of destroying them we might be giving them their first new inmate since the white god changed the rules.
Cue demon ambassadors offering us shinies to help them with their new hiring program.
Edit: missed that post with the ruling in it. Guess we'd need to use get offering of blood and meat if we wanted bribes from a Yama king.
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free wills a big theme of the series so it probably comes down to choices allowing you to go to said hells.
I doubt it. Free will is important, but it isn't the primary agent in every interaction even when mortals are directly involved. The white god seems to be myopic about what exactly he will defend it from.
Mortals getting to make choices clearly matters to him, but he also doesn't seem to feel the need to bend the universe to cater to them.
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Not if our Charms send you there.
The WG is all about free will, but other people can still force their will on others.
Otherwise the world wouldn't be as it is.
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I mean there's a difference between free will and good all red court vampires become full red court vampires because of a choice its not often a fair choice every single one is the result of a choice though. Hades gets occasional souls on account of those who brave the vault challenges for example and those who come down there likely choose to or are forced down there by someone elses free will at least.
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well yeah thats a result of free will though.
I didn't say anything about good or bad choices, just that as it stands the WG makes the rules and mortals follow them even if they might like to choose otherwise. Which is why you can't decide to ignore gravity after falling off a cliff or something.
You can technically trace everything back to a choice, but at that point you're defining the term so broadly it loses all meaning.
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Kinda unknown how extensively they make the rules I mean we at least know in dresden files dragons could govern over certain things in the far past so whose to say that every rule is made by the white god? Though thats a weird tangent on my part sorry I just think plenty of matters probably come down to someones choice.
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I can't, Exalted can.
That is I guess part of the whole enhanced free will suite Autobot build into them.
You can do damn near anything, though consequences loom.
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And it was a necessary part of the set, defying the laws of nature is rather vital when opposing the makers and rulers of existance.
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Also the fact some species without free will existence seem to be caused by free will obviously not counting outsider stuff, black vampires seem to ignore the free will trend. But, white court, red court, fae in general, there's probably more out there who were created as a result of free will. So a lot of really evil problems are humanities fault even if the choices that made them weren't nice or fair to them. 
Exalted are clearly different, I was talking about regular mortals.
Renfields, red court hypno-venom, white court thralls, and the divine aura of retired gods clearly demonstrate free will isn't the paramount force in the universe.
Dresden talks a good game about it, but it's important to remember that it's almost literally his religion. It's to the point that he can use a symbol of the primacy of mortal will as a holy symbol to repel red vampires; Harry is anything but an unbiased viewpoint on the topic.
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red court are all the result of free will, white court are all the result of choices so still free will, gods are limited in what they can do unless they choose to take on mortal limits if they want to enact major change at least as someone doesn't come to them instead.
Edit: For black court they are by word of jim an otherwordly horror soooo don't play completely by local rules maybe outsider stuff or something else?
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If free will is maintained so long as anyone made a choice in the resulting chain of consequences then it isn't a moral principle, it's just rolling for initiative with extra steps.
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Worlds not fair humans can literally end the world in dresden files as a result of choices and that is up to them fairly often. The creation of said species resulting in stuff that violates certain free wills are a consequence of the thing. Also white court are still effectively human free will and all so most of it is all the result of choice on their part.
Edit: The point is all of the things you listed sans black court are the result of free will red court don't have free will they can make decisions they can no more change their nature than a tv can. White court actions are all the result of choices the faes existence is a result of free will. Like there are things without free will which can very much still make choices they just can't really change their immutable at least when not changed by free will somehow.
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