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The low hanging fruit tempt me a lot more honestly. There are a lot of good combat buffs, and our mind defenses are already better than anyone else in the setting.
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More like something that is reminiscent of 2e Infernal Monster Form Charm. It's effect is so that anyone that tries to scry, mind-read, or even just magically deduct our mind would always succeed... but only to receive the following information:
"THE MONSTER IS HERE."
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Suits me, the anti-mind Charm is more long term thing. I just want to reintroduce a Blasphemy-effect equivalent due to how cool Infernal Monster Style is.
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I think it'd be a lot cooler if every time the answer was slightly different
eg. 1st time 'the monster is here
2nd time 'fear the Dread Emperor'
And so on etc.
If that makes sense
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ExWoD Charms are often times a weaker version of their 2e Version, thus giving them a lesser puissance but it also gives them a weird variety to its effect.
I could see the Charm working and whispering words of blandishments and worship to our heretical glory.
Aye, this could work....
I'm not sure that'd help. A soul gaze isn't mind reading, it doesn't even necessarily tell you what your target is feeling at that moment. Harry's soul gazes take the form of metaphorical scenes that he sees the target interacting with for example.
If memory serves, his soul gaze of Molly showed her in a hall of dozens of mirrors, each reflecting a life she could live and the scared teenager in the middle trying to grow into one of them.
In another he had with a woman who was mind controlled he saw her domination as ropes typing her up, but that was because he was detecting the life shaping trauma of mind magic not checking her thoughts with detect magic.
Blocking soul gazes might not even be a good idea, since wizards use it as a test for multiple things. The most relevant for us are it's use as a character test between strangers and a way to confirm if the laws of magic apply to someone.
Wizards are forbidden on pain of execution from breaking the seven laws of magic, many of which only offer protections to mortals.
A wizard who knows Molly is human can't use magic to try killing her for example. Block attacks? Sure. Enchant items to attack her with? A-Okay. But they can't cast fireball at her, so a lot of them would be down to trying to kill her with guns or getting into melee with an exalted blender.
Should be noted that wizards generally just check if a soul gaze can be started, they rarely actually preform a soul gaze. It sort of an human none human check.
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That might be relevant now, but as soon as we buy a single point of Essence more we can assume our Shintai.
That will make it very obvious that we are not quite human.
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Eurgh, but that lies the core of the problem isn't it? The inner hold of our Soul isn't exactly wholesome to the eyes, either mortal or immortal. The Infernal Exaltation carries the scorching hellish hope from imprisoned former masters of the universe. Whose Prison is wrought by their fallen King's bone and sinew. A mutilation of the soul and flesh.
I don't want to traumatise every Wizard that tries to look into our 'self' with visions of desperate and violent release from eternal bondage.
We should be fine Molly still has her soul, a very powerful powerful soul, but still fundamentally mortal. So as far as the mages go, the laws still apply to attacking Molly.
I can think of MAYBE one way, but that depends on the QM.
The Loom Snarling Deception, Kakuri version can maybe hide it, since its a Charm level disguise.
Normally Sight can't be fooled, but at that level...
Edit: She does have her soul, both Hun and Po, but the Exaltation lodges between them and is kind of like an extra prostethic super soul so she's got a bit extra.
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Loom Snarling Deception is a good choice. One that we need to recreate ourselves, although there is a 5-dot analogue from Kakuri, but that one is only limited to mortal disguise. Not adopting another's fate as our own.
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I know the feeling. Still want that one dot craft charm. It's probably not happening anytime soon though.
Thats an interesting point about soul sight.
I wonder if soul sight will just see the exaltation sitting there. Usually the nature and function of exaltation is a mystery in story. So that might be interesting.
I wonder if soul sight will be used to verify that we arent being mind controlled? when we get home I mean.
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So how does people having two souls work when it comes to soul gazing? Because humans only have the one in DF
I assume everyone has two but they're pressed so close together that they appear to be a singular entity and we just got something wedged between them so it might cause things to be fucky.
@Jack vile Ripper what does each soul represent?
I assume everyone has two but they're pressed so close together that they appear to be a singular entity and we just got something wedged between them so it might cause things to be fucky.
@Jack vile Ripper what does each soul represent?
The Hun or upper soul is more responsible for mental functions, self, higher functions and the Po or lower soul holds power, instinct, things like that.
Po soul can by itself become a hungry ghost after death and the Hun can become a ghost by itself, so they can exist separately to a degree, though a Po based hungry ghost by itself is mostly mindless and instinct driven.
Just because you can see something does not mean you can understand it, much less know its history. When Dresden soulgazed Ursiel he knew there was something big and bad possessing some schmuck and turning him into a bear monster, he did not know the origin and nature of the Fallen just from that.
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So in Exalted there is the Hun Soul and the Po Soul.
The Hun is the higher thought, this is your intelligence, the driving motive behind your actions, this is the impetus behind your work.
The Po Soul is the lower thought. This is what you are. Your likings, your fear, your want, your wrath. It is the base emotions that you posses. All Creation's humans have two souls.
Exaltation acts as a Third soul. The raw might of impossibility, the fate curdling roar of defiance. It is infinity made into shape. And it is glorious and perfect.
Infernals are different in that they have a Fourth Soul. The Demonic Unwoven Coadjutors. These are advisors who are melded with the Exaltation to better help their charge in order to further the Yozi's goal or to keep their self-preservation. A Coadjutor dies when his Exalted dies, but the Exalted can live without a Coadjutor.
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So from what I understand then the soul gaze only really looks at the Hun I think
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Nvm jack's explanation tells me that it's a bit more complicated
Seems like Harry is going on an acid trip for a chat with Usum
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Sounds a bit like the id and the ego.
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It should be, if not for the fact that it's going to have to parse through our Exaltation and Usum as well.
It's gonna get really intimate, and not in a good way. Like, being probed kind of way (both for us and Usum).
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True, well have to wait and see then.
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Yeah I made an edit because I posted seconds after you
Not quite. I would say we have seen a Po soul in Dresden Files, at least for the purposes of the crossover. When Harry is near death in Dead Beat and he needs Lash to help save him from the former Denarian turned necromancer it is a version of him dressed in black who introduces himself not as the evil side, but as the emotion and self preservation side practically makes him sit down and talk to Lash.
You know what it's before midnight and I cannot sleep yet so vote closed.