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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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DragonParadox said:
Ah, I see. I had not checked the plan. :oops:
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Heh, Degorium just wrote in to use a recording for Demonreach fyi.


Since the questions are free actions is this sort of thing fine?


[X] NEW [SGI] Hunt Down Foes
-[X] Evil Bob
-[X] Crown Questions
---[X] What does Mab know concerning the subject of your exaltation? (use the recording of your talk with Mab when she referred to you as Green Sun)
-[X] Who was Hollow Man referring to when he offered to tell Molly of other people like her in exchange for his life? (use record of his word)
-[X] How (by what means) has Mikaboshi seized the power from its previous owner? (use freed Wicked City slaves)
-[X] What are the consequences of Harry becoming the Warden of Demonreach that the spirit of Demonreach is unable or unwilling to tell him about? (Recording of Demonreach speech)
-[X] What has Thorned Namshiel learned from their encounter with us? (Record of Thorned Speech)
 
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DragonParadox said:
The Mikaboshi one might be too distant, same reason you cannot use random winter fey to ask questions about Mab.
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Would either of these work?
DragonParadox said:
Looting is done automatically, you are not the proud owner of a hunk of Malfean Brass and some kind of not-entirely-stable essence cage
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The Malfean Brass has definitely been in that hell since before he took over so it would have definitely been there for its transition into the wicked City and the Essence cage is directly related to the Dark star's experiments so has a direct connection to him himself rather than the hell so I can imagine either one working but I thought I'd ask.
 
Degorium said:
Would either of these work?

The Malfean Brass has definitely been in that hell since before he took over so it would have definitely been there for its transition into the wicked City and the Essence cage is directly related to the Dark star's experiments so has a direct connection to him himself rather than the hell so I can imagine either one working but I thought I'd ask.
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The Essence cage would work if he was the one to make it.
 
DragonParadox said:
The Essence cage would work if he was the one to make it.
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Shouldn't any material from the city itself work since you told us that if one of the Yomi Kings were to go to earth that they'd have to drag their realm with them? That implies the realm itself is conceptually tied to their existence so shouldn't material from that realm suffice as a direct foci for the owner?
 
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Degorium said:
The Malfean Brass has definitely been in that hell since before he took over so it would have definitely been there for its transition into the wicked City and the Essence cage is directly related to the Dark star's experiments so has a direct connection to him himself rather than the hell so I can imagine either one working but I thought I'd ask.
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Malfean brass should absolutely not be used for this. It's our only foci for the possible remnants of Malfeas. It's not from Wicked City proper. It's too valuable to be used like that.
 
BoredMan said:
Shouldn't any material from the city itself work since you told us that if one of the Yomi Kings were to go to earth that they'd have to drag their realm with them? That implies the realm itself is conceptually tied to their existence so shouldn't material from that realm suffice as a direct foci for the owner?
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No, on the same principle as using a random fey to learn about Mab or using a random vampire to curse the read king, they have a relationship with it, but it is too distant and impersonal, you need something they put some effort into, like maybe that essence cage.
 
[X] Crown Questions
-[X] What does Mab know concerning the subject of your exaltation? (use the recording of your talk with Mab when she referred to you as Green Sun)
-[X] Who was Hollow Man referring to when he offered to tell Molly of other people like her in exchange for his life? (use record of his word)
-[X] How (by what means) has Mikaboshi seized the power from its previous owner? (use The not Entirely stable Essence Cage)
-[X] What are the consequences of Harry becoming the Warden of Demonreach that the spirit of Demonreach is unable or unwilling to tell him about? (Recording of Demonreach speech)
-[X] What has Thorned Namshiel learned from their encounter with us? (Record of Thorned Speech)

Yog said:
Malfean brass should absolutely not be used for this. It's our only foci for the possible remnants of Malfeas. It's not from Wicked City proper. It's too valuable to be used like that.
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I would normally agree but finding out how to kill Angel level Immortals in their prepared Battleground is way better than any scrap of information about a malfeas can be gleaned from this random bit of magic brass. Especially with the understanding that it is just a bit of brass which seems to suggest there's more of it possibly in the lord of the wicked cities possession considering we got it off of one of his Akumas.
 
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DragonParadox said:
No, on the same principle as using a random fey to learn about Mab or using a random vampire to curse the read king, they have a relationship with it, but it is too distant and impersonal, you need something they put some effort into, like maybe that essence cage.
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It's not the same principle though. Did Mikaboshi not put effort into taking over the Wicked City? Did it not involve investing part of himself into the realm to gain control over it? As you described it to us a Yomi King taking over another Yomi realm literally requires that they consume and convert it as they conquer territory with armies.
 
BoredMan said:
It's not the same principle though. Did Mikaboshi not put effort into taking over the Wicked City? Did it not involve investing part of himself into the realm to gain control over it? As you described it to us a Yomi King taking over another Yomi realm literally requires that they consume and convert it as they conquer territory with armies.
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He did, but the Wicked City is a very diffuse thing that is... built atop things older than him. This is getting close to spoiler territory, but it's like for all the power he has over it and all the power it gives it the Hell never fully belongs to the Yama King. It's like trying to read someone off a rental suit they just wore.
 
DragonParadox said:
He did, but the Wicked City is a very diffuse thing that is... built atop things older than him. This is getting close to spoiler territory, but it's like for all the power he has over it and all the power it gives it the Hell never fully belongs to the Yama King. It's like trying to read someone off a rental suit they just wore.
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So it's tied to him. Enough that he can't leave the realm without dragging it with him. But it's not tied enough that a piece of the same realm would count as a Crown foci for the guy who can't leave without taking it with. I'm gonna be honest, that doesn't make sense. If it's spoiler territory then I'll drop it.

I'm guessing then that the Hell actually still belongs to its original owner in a great capacity and he just has some authority over it for the time being.
 
DragonParadox said:
He did, but the Wicked City is a very diffuse thing that is... built atop things older than him. This is getting close to spoiler territory, but it's like for all the power he has over it and all the power it gives it the Hell never fully belongs to the Yama King. It's like trying to read someone off a rental suit they just wore.
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Do we have the corpse of the akuma from Boston? Would that be a suitable focus?
 
BoredMan said:
So it's tied to him. Enough that he can't leave the realm without dragging it with him. But it's not tied enough that a piece of the same realm would count as a Crown foci for the guy who can't leave without taking it with. I'm gonna be honest, that doesn't make sense.
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Technically a Yama King can leave without dragging their hell with them, they would just have to do the one thing none of them would ever contemplate... abdicate.

Yog said:
Do we have the corpse of the akuma from Boston? Would that be a suitable focus?
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I think you guys used that for something didn't you? If not it would be since that was a greater akuma. I'll have to check.
 
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BoredMan said:
So it's tied to him. Enough that he can't leave the realm without dragging it with him. But it's not tied enough that a piece of the same realm would count as a Crown foci for the guy who can't leave without taking it with. I'm gonna be honest, that doesn't make sense. If it's spoiler territory then I'll drop it.
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If I may pose a theory. It's that all of the yomi Hells belong to yomi the plane of existence which is made up of fucked up Yozi Corpses. Which means by and large everything that the Yama Kings set up/ the minor Realms of existence they create in Yomi the realm are theirs but only in so much as they are using the Flesh of a essentially largely deceased Titan to carve a house into it and in doing so they bind themselves to the house but the stuff of the house is still Titan flesh.
Though I think I said something about this earlier
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Degorium said:
One thought I had about how the Yozi could be permanently Gone without having joined the never-born is that eventually the complete stagnancy of their environment causes them to decay.

The concepts by which the primordials describe and made themselves require not food or resources to sustain but rather ideology and testing a solid environment against known actors endlessly with no challenge or even stimulus would cause all of their ideas to slowly rot.

Souls just slowly go missing over time disappear into the fabric of their world bodies and then the world body start having chips and cracks until eventually all of the souls are essentially gone the world bodies are completely collapsed and the yozi are still trapped in Malfeas but now the Flesh of the once primordial King that acted as the border of the realm has long since rotted away but they are still trapped within the rotting carcass of the king.

Not with a bang but with a whimper the Yozi disappear a slow fading via the Fate the exalted to give them by trapping them in a realm for eternity
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So they essentially carve their Realms out of the fetid corpses of the inprisoned Titans taking that imprisoned Essence within themselves trapping them as much as they are trapping other people the only way out is to relinquish the hold on this tainted / imprisoned essence and well as Dragon Paradox puts it abdicating. No matter how much power that tainted Essence truly gives it's never meant to leave the heavily diluted borders of Malfeas.
 
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Degorium said:
If I may pose a theory. It's that all of the yomi Hells belong to yomi the plane of existence which is made up of fucked up Yozi Corpses. Which means by and large everything that the Yama Kings set up/ the minor Realms of existence they create in Yomi the realm are theres but only in so much as they are using the Flesh of a essentially largely deceased Titan to carve a house into it and in doing so they bind themselves to the house but the stuff of the house is still Titan flesh.
Though I think I said something about this earlier
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With it being said that they are tied to the realm but can separate from it at will and that they aren't actually of the realm something like this would make sense. Usurpers/conquerers using magic to gain authority/control with it not going deeper than that. Even while it conceptually laches them to it and they can use Lord of the Land type effects. They are getting a lot of milage out of whatever it is they are doing. This is the sort of thing the Crown question should tell us, along with how he handled a being with at least the theoretical power of an Angel in the first place.

Edit: Just saw your edit.
 
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DragonParadox said:
I think you guys used that for something didn't you? If not it would be since that was a greater akuma. I'll have to check.
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I can't recall us using it at least. Maybe it would be easier to have an updating list of available crafting regents in an info tab? It would have to be actively updated though. I'd be willing to keep up with one if nothing else. I just realized we only have a vague idea of what's available.
 
DragonParadox said:
I'll look into that, sure.
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Thanks, just to be clear I'm saying that I'd be willing to keep updating a post for it if that's easier.

Also I just recalled that during the last plan vote part of it was to use our favor from Maeve to have a teacher from Winter teach our people summoning. The Teachings of Winter action. There wasn't an interlude for it so I'm just making sure you didn't forget about it.
 
[X] NEW Entertainment from the courts

We have stuff on the board for more media stuff and more anti-red operations. Wouldn't it make more sense to handle the additional media and red court things now so we can tie to together before moving to the next topic?

Especially because we just voted to set up an even more expansive media blitz with all sorts of follow up content to the movie.

Drop off explosives for St Giles, integrate our FCF media people into the Red Sun Studio press, release some unrelated entertainment, perhaps start establishing the industrial stuff as an economic foothold with our new South American holdings*. That kind of thing.

We've already voted to do this sort of stuff in general, might as well do it all at once instead of popping back and forth or having random stuff left to deal with after we get done with a major surprise.

* We do have a sketchy web of oligarchs now, which we can launder those entry level advanced materials through. Then push out the influence of the reds on the continent's economy by building a newer, better, one on top of it and crushing their profit margins beneath our weight.

One that we will just so happen to dominate, which will be an interesting bit of politics to navigate. :V
 
I'm wondering what the reasoning is for people not adding the free action Crown questions to their vote since it doesn't cost them anything. Maybe it's narrative related or due to the focus issue for one of the questions but no one is talking.

*Irritated*

I'm going to put my vote like this until further notice. The missing foci can be addressed later. The intent is what matters anyway.

[X] NEW [SGI] Hunt Down Foes
-[X] Evil Bob
-[X] Crown Questions
 
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