Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Yes, but Odin is still within 50 miles of the dragon so they're making progress. Could be days or weeks doesn't mean it will be, especially since we don't know the details of how they're looking. Given that response I'm not too worried they'll suddenly hit paydirt as soon as we're gone, but that doesn't mean we have infinite time.
He's also only one of our known competitors.
We learned about this because evil Bob and his backers know about it and want to leapfrog Odin. We don't have any real insight on how close they are, or need to be before they can cause problems.
Not saying we need to blow a gasket over it, but this also wouldn't be the first time we've been surprised by the opposition acting instead of politely waiting till we want to engage.
He's also only one of our known competitors.
We learned about this because evil Bob and his backers know about it and want to leapfrog Odin. We don't have any real insight on how close they are, or need to be before they can cause problems.
Not saying we need to blow a gasket over it, but this also wouldn't be the first time we've been surprised by the opposition acting instead of politely waiting till we want to engage.
Ok, much, much better than I feared. Modern masquerade-integrated people, not hollow earth tribesmen or Luthe survivors in cryotubes. Also much worse, because those are possibly Odin's people. And Odin probably has deep enough pockets (and we owe him enough) to help the dragon in exchange for dragonblooded legions.
[X] Drop more obviously magical hints in conversation, see if she bites
-[X] ATB with willpower, Subterfuge excellency
-[X] Stunt: "Do you have any of the old maps here? I always liked those - you know, where they write "here there be dragons" at the edges of the world, over where places like this would be later discovered" you ask in a conversational tone, your voice empathizing the dragons just enough to trigger the necessary association, a seemingly casual movement of your hand through your hair briefly revealing the glint of ebon scales underneath your clothes to the girl, visual and audial cues coming together to reinforce each other.
@DragonParadox is subterfuge the correct excellency for this? Or would this be empathy?
[X] Drop more obviously magical hints in conversation, see if she bites
-[X] ATB with willpower, Subterfuge excellency
-[X] Stunt: "Do you have any of the old maps here? I always liked those - you know, where they write "here there be dragons" at the edges of the world, over where places like this would be later discovered" you ask in a conversational tone, your voice empathizing the dragons just enough to trigger the necessary association, a seemingly casual movement of your hand through your hair briefly revealing the glint of ebon scales underneath your clothes to the girl, visual and audial cues coming together to reinforce each other.
@DragonParadox is subterfuge the correct excellency for this? Or would this be empathy?
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shouldn't this also gain us essence as a magical secret?
Subterfuge is fine, you are trying to be sneaky after all
You already got one refresh from the Urge this scene.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
This is the second time in a row and I think you tend to just throw stuff in there. Do we know how much willpower we have right now? Actually looking back the previous time ATB wasn't actually used though it was requested but I still want to know how much we have since it regens once a day and we used a bit during the last Arc. @DragonParadox
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Interesting that the survivors correspond to the last remaining great dragons. I wonder if it's just coincidence, or if it legitimately became harder to sustain the lineage as the others died.
Molly has some related crafting abilities, any chance we can determine more about the broad strokes of what this place was built for from where we are?
Worth considering that this is sort of what the Accords are for, and not being a signatory doesn't mean the implications of using those forms are lost on people.
If we want to poke them sending a messenger using the right protocols could make it seem less threatening. Perhaps one of our holographic minions?
I'd also like to point out that startling them might be bad for more than the obvious reasons.
They're plugged into the leyline shunt leading to the dragon and our competitors are hunting for magical anomalies practically right on top of it. If they get spooked and do something unfortunate with their geomancy mega project then it might cause a noticeable disruption. Even if it's only the dragon noticing and angrily grumbling in their sleep.
You are at 8/9 right now, it has been a few days since you ran yourselves down against Drusus and you did get some of it back from just... winning. Willpower is a resource that refreshes when you follow your nature in the base game, but I think it works better as 'when you live up to your intimacies' and Molly certainly lived up to Michael's example recently.
Once she is there in person yes, the Crown only gives you glimpses.
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This assumes that they are signatories. They are almost certainly not. Otherwise, I would expect Odin's people to already be here.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Also this is a concern. He can ask us to craft him something of his choosing due to one of his favors and he can choose to spend it on this to do exactly what we want to here but for him. We really need to avoid him right now.
My point was that everyone who's clued in knows what they mean, and many who aren't signatories still follow them. In part because they Accords are built off what historic norms exist for supernatural diplomacy.
No idea if they're members or not, but either way they should recognize that someone is making an effort at polite and non threatening diplomatic contact.
We could try without copying those protocols, but that relies on them making the right inferences from our as hoc introduction instead of using a known format. Both approaches require the same amount of trust in our intentions, one is just clearer.
We did read the Accords, as far as I remember.
If he was really interested in being a bastard he could call in that fight token and ask us to kill the dragon for him.
Then we either need to offer him a bribe to not call our debt that way, break our word and immediately cause ourselves multiple serious problems, or obliterate our chances of getting either of the potential prizes out of this situation.
Just the implication of that would be enough give him an advantage over us in any attempts to negotiate.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Yeah we did awhile ago. It was around that time we were going to talk to Mab in the bar IIRC.
This too and Lydia also owes him this favor and the Authorian Knights work for her so..
Ok, I'll remove it now.
It's a scene long bonus for one willpower it's really good for perception rolls as well and we're trying to stealthily insinuate something to somebody it really can't go amiss.
@BoredMan I get what you mean really I do but you can't begrudge someone for attempting to use the charms we have in situations where it seems like they might be helpful. You can also write a plan where we use different ones or just don't use specific ones.
[X] Drop more obviously magical hints in conversation, see if she bites
-[X] ATB with willpower, subterfuge excellency,
-[X] Stunt: "Do you have any of the old maps here? I always liked those - you know, where they write "here there be dragons" at the edges of the world, over where places like this would be later discovered" you ask in a conversational tone, your voice empathizing the dragons just enough to trigger the necessary association, a seemingly casual movement of your hand through your hair briefly revealing the glint of ebon scales underneath your clothes to the girl, visual and audial cues coming together to reinforce each other.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Um, yes I can. I just did. Just because something is vaguely useful doesn't mean it's always required. In this case we are at 8/9 and haven't spent any willpower yet but I was under the impression we had way less due to the previous Arc.
Edit: The weirdest typo.
That's a fair point. ATB is our go-to social help charm. I would consider also using helscry chakra, but the girl is unlikely to be CoD.
Editing atb back in and going to sleep
Okay I was being idiomatic. You can literally begrudge someone for doing something but I do mean you can just make a plan where we don't do that.
Then give like some reasoning like "I do not believe that we need to use all things betrayed for willpower at this moment because of X and Y reason but the rest of this is fine" or whatever. Not just claim that someone is randomly or arbitrarily using charms that are literally applicable in this situation.
if that wasn't clear my bad.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I did provide reasoning. I didn't just say I didn't like it. There's an entire paragraph there in the original post. I prefer to avoid two plans that are exactly the same except for a single segment.
So I need you to square these two things for me where you just randomly just state that he's arbitrarily just throwing something into his plans when it's distinctly and immediately applicable to the situation that we're in.
Your reasoning if you had paired it with a vote would make sense, without one it just comes off like you're bagging on his vote for no particular reason.
Also
Why?
It's one favor for both of us, which is important since it means we aren't going it alone. It's also just for the two of us. I don't think he can compel Molly to show up with an army of demons or anything.
He could set a fight we really want to being support to of our own free will, but not technically command particular ends.
This sort of thing is why favor specificity is serious business.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Did you read the rest of that post? I made a statement then provided context on my thoughts to elaborate. The implication and statement was that I believe he sometimes throws them in when it's not strictly necessary (as we obviously aren't socially combating Mab or Lara Raith here and have better social dots than most of the setting) using a resource that typically regents once a day (both of which Yog is aware of) and that we probably shouldn't because of how much we spent during the previous Arc combined with the fact that he just requested we use one last update.
It makes sense just fine hence his initial response. If it didn't make sense to Yog at least I don't see why he'd cater to my whims just because I expressed a grievance. It's not like he wasn't free to ignore me or say he isn't following.
Because I'm rather sure based what I've observed of plan composition habits and other postings that I'm one of the most if not the most cognizant of resource expenditure person here. What that means is if people are voting between two plans and only one segment is different, and it's cost related, they're probably going to be inclined to go for whomever they prefer or are more confident/comfortable with who presented the plan over other considerations. As people aren't entirely rational.
So from the perspective of someone who believed that we may have nearly no willpower left (doesn't running out incur a penalty?) as is and may soon need it for ATB when talking to individuals who will probably have better social stats than a girl around Molly's age who has no particular reason to have high dots in any of them, it's more rational to question that segment of his than post my own if I'm trying not to waste my time.
It's not as if I haven't made alternate plans in such a way before, in this thread. Your just seeing the results of a modified method influenced by observations. I'd be different if the plan was entirely altered but the variable would be inconsequential to more than a few people to begin with.
Not that I think it's an issue now as I was told after that we have 8/9 though that doesn't mean I think it's necessary either.
Good night guys.