fictionfan
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No that would be stupid we want to tempt loads of other wizards to look into us as their afterlife provider.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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I'm just suggesting we space out the reveals rather than doing a full press right this second. If we push too hard we'll end up getting in our own way. Rushing things doesn't always speed them up.
The way I see it is this (before sleep claims me):
1) The council is going to be hurting for a solution right now. The normal procedure of "kill all warlocks with very few exceptions" is not feasible - way too many warlocks at once, and hot war with Red Court going on. This is the problem from both senior council's perspective, and young generation / warden perspective.
2) Bringing back the dead (which we totally should do) exaggerates the problem at least a bit - the dead were warlocks, if unwillingly subverted. We don't know if the Wheel will cure their Lawbreaking soul / sanity damage. Wizards certainly don't know that.
3) FSB on its lonesome cannot be proposed as a long term or permanent solution. It creates too great a dependency on Molly on the institutional level. It's an active charm that requires reapplying. So, if something happens to Molly, or the wizard is unavailable to see it reapplied, the effect lapses. It compromises all those to whom it is applied, as they have to follow Molly's orders. It doesn't actually solve / heal the problem, which almost certainly makes it hard to check if someone is under the effect of FSB or not - it would create uncertainty and potential issues.
Based on these points, if we want to bring people back with as few issues as possible, we need to propose something for the mass law breaking issue, and it cannot be just FSB.
Plus, I feel it might actually be a good idea to put out our ideas here, not just in front of some members of senior council, but also in front of the young wardens, who are suddenly facing the uncertainty of their fate, and a possiblity of execution or at least Doom of Damocles. It puts political pressure on the senior council to accept our ideas, or at least to seriously engage with them, rather than dismissing them. Remember, White Council is not a dictatorship:
And while Senior Council is the ruling body, "young generation" almost certainly also has political power. I want to use that, by giving them a lifeline.
Oh, absolutely. I want, however, for there to be fewer issues with some of those wizards returning to White Council.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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You are thinking of the White Council as a monolithic single entity. Each wizard we bring into our kingdom tempts other wizards in.
As far as Molly can tell this particular Labyrinth will not survive the death of its maker. The Paris side likely will require clean up anyway since it's not like the ruins of this place are going to be wholesome and you never know what might slip though the veil here.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
On an unrelated note we learned that we can spend a mote when trying to MiM someone who may be pulled out to have it go through without issue.
@DragonParadox Is that what you meant here or was the roll just too good to bother rolling on their end?
IC they knew they could not contest that so they did not bother so as mot to tip their hand.
Good night guys.
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We're probably going to have Lydia checking on the ghosts of the Catacombs anyway. Might as well clean up while we're at it.
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faced with this
he laughs? Sentence is a bit confusing.
The circle that surrounded?
he? Sentence is a bit confusing.
Contest?
What you can do?
boo600
Ego sum egredietur tempestas.
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[X] Plan Grand Strategy
To be entirely fair, the Merlin or McCoy might have been able to deal with an explosion.
But yeah, his spite got in the way of his practical evil goals - or replaced them, if he wasn't an ideological hardcore kind of soulless cultist.
And hey! We now know that we can't eat Death Curses with MiM (later in the tick order). Our counterspell will protect us personally (as well as keeping a mote retained for EIPP), but we should be more careful about killing more explosion-focused wizards, at least not unless we're alone (and with a perfect defense).
To be entirely fair, the Merlin or McCoy might have been able to deal with an explosion.
But yeah, his spite got in the way of his practical evil goals - or replaced them, if he wasn't an ideological hardcore kind of soulless cultist.
And hey! We now know that we can't eat Death Curses with MiM (later in the tick order). Our counterspell will protect us personally (as well as keeping a mote retained for EIPP), but we should be more careful about killing more explosion-focused wizards, at least not unless we're alone (and with a perfect defense).
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I think that that is solidly in the realm of 'unless you have a perfect defense you just die, straight up.' Which absolutely should be fucking horrifying.
Considering that matter conversion of even a single kg of matter produces something in the realm of tens of megatons of explosive yield. Let alone something like 80-120 kg.
And very far away from anything that we care about.
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fictionfan
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It's is just so crazy that killing two lords of outer night was a less exciting part of this arc. This has been such a big day.
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It's not even done if I have my way we are getting in a tub and then hunting that list.
fictionfan
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I mean if someone will carry us in a bottle we can recover during travel time.
I get a distinct feeling that we are talking past each other, I apologize. If some of the resurrected wizards decide to remain in our courts (and, in fact, I am all for making an offer), that would be great. However, by keeping the resurrection secret from White Council we close the option for the resurrected wizards to return to their lives. Because normally resurrection is impossible without Lawbreaking.
fictionfan
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The option of bringing them under the wheel says nothing about keeping the resurrection secret and I have no idea why you read that into it.
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"[] [Dead] Raise them in secret if they so choose "
Are we not talking about this option?
fictionfan
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This is the option I am voting for.
Ok, actually. @DragonParadox if you don't mind, can you elaborate on what the different options for the dead mean? Because it was my understanding that we would be using the Wheel as the mechanism of resurrection anyway, since it's our only industrial scale resurrection magic.