BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
He can't be blamed for not trusting them look at the current Arc!! 😂
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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No fault, but if Dresden trusted at least senior council enough and felt himself invested in the organization, rather than feeling himself a loner who is mostly oppressed by WC, he would have kept them appraised of the situation a lot more.
Also, I'd like to point out that very few people seem to be voting for the second part of the vote.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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In my opinion, this is an exceptionally positive thing given the situation. And I think that given Dresden's contacts with Morgan... I'm honestly not surprised by his lack of trust in the establishment. Honestly, they still suck from my point of view. Despite the political justification and all that.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Yeah Peabody was explicitly stated to have access to Senior Council notes on their meetings.
That's the case of unintended consequences. Institutionally White Council is suffering badly from Dresden (and probably at least some others like him) not trusting to inform them about stuff.
Also, to further comment on the interlude - Morgan thinking Tiffany is a Nephilim is interesting to say the least. She's not, but it's interesting that he's thinking she is - it's unlikely he knows her origins, so... Where is he drawing the conclusion from? Straight up Lore use / Theurgy should be incredibly rare. Are there nephilim running around?
And to consolidate the vote a bit.
[X] Plan Strong Right Hook
[X] Trace, use it to try to find more senior, or at least more skilled warlocks
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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Fuck them. It's their own problem. Yes, they perform a good function and the world gave them shitty magic laws. But no, their RP is their own fault plus the infiltrators. In any case, with our help, they can probably get better reputation when they don't have to kill every warlock.
[X] Plan Strong Right Hook
[X] Trace, use it to try to find more senior, or at least more skilled warlocks
That's sort of what I was questioning. Angels literally screwing around is very off brand for the DF. Not impossible, but they're almost always shown as inscrutable cosmic forces instead of beings mortal enough to be interested.
It's 100% a case of mistaken identity. We know that Tiffany is new and something never before seen - we got that from Uriel's own mouth. Nephilim are probably some manner of humans with angelic (Fallen?) ancestry capable of using lores in some limited way. But it's very interestingthat they are a thing.
Vote closed.
Anybody who went to Sunday School will recognize the reference.
It was a major part of Christian theology in the events that lead up to the Flood, that some angels descended to Earth and shacked up with women who birthed supernatural children.
Genesis 6 said:
Morgan was born in 19th century Britain.
I guarantee that Scripture was part of his early educational history, as was the conventional interpretation of the time.
Essentially what Im telling you is that children of angelic(or for that matter demonic) descent arent new.
Whats unique about Lash is that she is a Shadow embodied as an adult, not a baby born fresh with no history or memories.
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If you are still interested, feel free to check up the Wikipedia article, which provides other potential origins for nephilim
Nephilim - Wikipedia
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Ivar
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Lash is not a Nephilim. She is not the child of a mortal and an angel. She is the shadow of an angel in a body made in the likeness of a mortal. I tend to trust Uriel when he said she is something new. Plus we would have used different mechanics for her if she were a Nephilim. Not a Demon The Fallen.
I know the reference. Question is - why is Morgan making it? He only knows that Tiffany is a human-looking female, and he has observed her using some magic-like abilities that don't feel like human magic. So, where is he getting "Nephilim" from?
Also, Lash is not a Nephilim. Her potential future child with Dresden would be one, I am fairly sure. But Lash isn't one.
Descendant of an angel does not have a hard requirement for biological birth that I know of.
All previous nephilim we know of were born the usual way, by an angel and a mortal having sexual congress and the product being carried to term and then raised to adulthood.
Lash/Tiffany was created/incarnated in a mortal body.
Thats an entirely new process, and enough to mark her out as something unique yet related.
Also, there were nephilim in Demon The Fallen. Part-human, part-demon.
They explicitly had access to angelic Lores.
They were killed. Allegedly.
So OG nephilim would be modelled the same way Lash currently is.
The descendants of nephilim? I have no idea; I suspect they wouldnt have the same juice.
Because its the only reference he has for what he's seeing.
Older, more knowledgeable wizards might have different referents to use, or those from different backgrounds; a Japanese wizard might speak along the lines of a child of Amaterasu, or something similar.
Nephilim are descendants of angels; I dont think the child of a demon/nephilim necessarily qualifies.
Kinda like how the child of a demigod is not necessarily a demigod themself.
Ivar
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I know about the Nephilim in Demon the Fallen. They are not modeled as demons in the same game. Because demons are not only their lore. But that is not the point. Lash is not a Nephilim because she is an Angel. A fallen angel and a shard, but she is still a shadow and a copy, not a new being from the mixing of mortal and divine. Although she is still a new being due to the use of technology from the First Age.
Demon The Fallen Core p56
Narratively modelled with the powers of both Demons and humans as of that time.
They arent playable characters IIRC, so there isnt really a mechanical thing to point at.
While I have my books at hand, thats the canon story for Demon The Fallen's version of nephilim.On Nephilim said:
Narratively modelled with the powers of both Demons and humans as of that time.
They arent playable characters IIRC, so there isnt really a mechanical thing to point at.
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If they follow the usual rules for minor splats in WoD they'd probably be limited to the lower versions of Lores, like Ghouls, Dhampirs, etc.
Arc 14 Post 29: Atop a Rotting Tower
Atop a Rotting Tower
18th of February 2007 A.D.
'Trace,' you motion imitating Morgan's gesture.
Silence suits the War Weavers well, the basic combat frame is old enough to be as recognizable in some parts of Sanctuary as a Colt Revolver would be in Texas, but tools, especially tools of war do not stay unchanged without reason. Durable, precise, and surprisingly perceptive, a war spinner is rarely without recourse regardless of the battlefield.
A sleek tocatiloid cast in bright brass and dull silvers sheathes the sword in their upper hands while keeping the electro-laser still on the warlock. They draw instead a set of electrified cuffs.
The sorcerer wearing the unvarnished red of a senior seeker priest nods approvingly. Arcane law-breakers are not unknown in Sanctuary, though the notion of final death without recourse is so far beyond the pale for the Five Cities that you only dared bring the most experienced of volunteers.
Lady Marguerite certainly seems to know where she's going, out through a side door, across the street, jaywalking not that there's any traffic. Are people just avoiding the silence? You hope so, the alternatives are all so much worse.
She motions to a cell tower, the grey metal marked rust red about a third of the way up. As she strides across yet another side street you hear... you hear:
"Such Arrogance" It's less the sound of a voice and more as if pieces of silence were splintering off to cut at your ears. "To violate the law."
The whole spell crumples inwards on her like a sheet of paper in the hand of a vicious child, still air suddenly turned to violence and pressed into her ears.
"Sophia!" you scream as the scene unfolds with agonizing slowness to your eyes.
But someone else is closer to hand. Tiffany grabs her head with both hands, fingers slick with gushing blood. She looks up at the figure now revealed on top of the tower, long black rain coat snapping in the night air. "Child in mud playing, that you make things willfully ugly draws no eyes and finds no love."
Her hands are still slick with blood, but when she pulls them away bleeding had stopped along with whatever deeper injury had been there.
The man, the warlock laughs, harsh and ragged. "Die-die-die-die!" The word tears itself out of him like a living thing as he points a copper tube at Tiffany and sets it to his lips.
"He's gonna blow!" Harry shouts.
"Death curse!" the glamor-smith calls out in the same instant as you feel half a dozen arcane protections bloom to life.
The warlock is, you realize, pulling power out of the tower itself, out of the city grid. Given that he's not planning to live through it a lot of power.
"It's just lightning, I can ground it!" The earth shakes and the air starts to grow heavy with summoned moisture as Carlos starts to work his will, but your eyes are on McCoy, he's reaching for something with his right hand that isn't there...isn't there yet.
What does the Circle do?
[] Olivia tries to send a sniper bullet through the warlock's brain stem, causing him to blank out without technically killing him. Tiffany can fix him for interrogation later
[] Molly flies up and tries to carve the tower out from under him, no place to draw power and the spell fizzles
[] Let the wizards handle is
[] Write in
OOC: You can't do both options one and two because bullet surgery to make someone blank out instantly is hard enough even with all of Olivia's advantages. Add Molly flying in front of her as a distraction and there is no way she can make the roll.
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Trace... yeah she is eating the backlash, no protections
The Sound of Sudden Super Brain Cancer... that is not what he called the rote, but it might as well be
Tiffany needs twice as many successes to save her since this is magical, not a natural illness
Read Emotions... into an Angelic Intimidation attempt
Willpower... this guy wants to take someone with him
Trace... yeah she is eating the backlash, no protections
The Sound of Sudden Super Brain Cancer... that is not what he called the rote, but it might as well be
Tiffany needs twice as many successes to save her since this is magical, not a natural illness
Read Emotions... into an Angelic Intimidation attempt
Willpower... this guy wants to take someone with him
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Hey dp can we get a ruling on how rare people with 5 dots in a skill or path in our hell are? With the knowledge that many people are centuries old and that 5 dots is 100% achievable even as early by someone talented in their twenties albeit very rarely but more likely in their 40s or 50s?
I don't really feel up to throwing up numbers off the top of my head. I'll have to think about it.
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Look, 5 in a skill is literally being one of the few hundred best people on Earth in that skill.
It's olympic level athletes, genius scientists, etc.
Doing something long and well gets you to 3. Doing it long and well with a lot of talent to 4.
Getting a skill to 5 and then keeping it there requires usually dedicating your life to it.
Like, the best chessplayer on the planet has 5, but if he got a regular job and started playing chess only once a week or so, he'd quickly be back down to 4.
Long life doesn't help you in that regard, long life can help you building up a lot of skills to 1 or 2, not to reach and maintain a skill at highest level.
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True.
It can be very important for the 5th step of a Sorcery Path or Martial Art though.