I'm partial to this one, just saying.
They want to cheat? Let's call their bluff.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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I'm partial to this one, just saying.
They want to cheat? Let's call their bluff.
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Boss we won the last roll, the succ diference was only because he rolled a 10 in a 10 several times
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I'm surprised that the god can act against them like this if freed in the first place but wouldn't just attack them on the spot or flee if freed. They killed him and his entire family before chewing on their corpses for centuries.
No, our anti shaping and passive defense plus excellence make us basically unbeatable in combat.
Like i look at stats from the strongest things in wod, like the the scariest things that aren't plot devices and the only thing we don't dumpster is space ships and maybe the archmages but thats only if they counterspell us.
Fixed, thanks.
Also to be clear it also doubles 10s (though of course no more than that). This is by no means an extra and that's who does not do that.
You've pushed for us to rush face first at anything that moves since before we had either of those. In any case they don't actually make us unbeatable, just very difficult to fight.
This is especially true if you just keep picking fights. If nothing else mote tapping rapidly screws over an exalt and picking a fight with a vampire army lead by a powerful elder backed by a god is a good way to do that.
You're also underestimating the danger of numbers under the current system. Other people can do to us what we did to the dragon.
Molly is tough and has a lot of options, but it's ridiculous to push the line that she's the inevitable victor of any violent conflict she's involved in and will never face any consequences for how her fights go down.
Depends on what state of mind it is in. Some prep obviously went into this even if it can't have been too much. And then there is the question of why the lesser vampires went quiet and why Molly gets the sense they hope she wins.
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Well maybe they have been sacrificing the lesser kin to it in order to mantain it tame, he is an american god in the end.
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Very surprised that this elder vampire gets to double 10s.
And that losing a body doesnt impose a malus on his actions; experiencing deathstone eating a body out from under you is presumably a fairly traumatizing experience.
Unless its expired, Molly should still have All Things Betray active, which gives -3DC to all Perception rolls.
This is not my preferred option.
But we could take a turn and activate shintai for -1DC to our rolls, and then use it to drop the temperatures low enough to activate Without Honor for another +2 dice.
At which point we'd be rolling 13 dice(Willpower 9 + Stunt 2 + Without Honor 2) at -2DC(Boiling Sea Mastery 1 + King and Kingdom: Signature Charm 1), which becomes 13 dice at DC4.
Not my preferred option since this is nowhere near the final fight in the story arc, but it IS an option.
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[x] Speak openly to the dead god, if that is their play, accuse the Red Court of breaking the rules with guile and subtlety
-[x] Etiquette excellency
—[x] "what hold do these oath breakers and betrayers posses upon your mind 'Oh Mallko of Law? What chain of lies and blood have they bound you in that you would bend and ear to hear the pleas of the dark brood of dread Kukulan, those that butchered your family in the night like those most cowardly of foes?"
Sorry, ran out of steam there at the end, does anyone have any suggestions to make that better?
-[x] Etiquette excellency
—[x] "what hold do these oath breakers and betrayers posses upon your mind 'Oh Mallko of Law? What chain of lies and blood have they bound you in that you would bend and ear to hear the pleas of the dark brood of dread Kukulan, those that butchered your family in the night like those most cowardly of foes?"
Sorry, ran out of steam there at the end, does anyone have any suggestions to make that better?
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No such thing. Etiquette is probably what you are going for here. Maybe Empathy.
So, how dead is the dead god anyway? Is it dead or is it dying? Because "take it to our Courts and have the Wheel resurrect it in its full glory" is an option. And I bet rhampires won't like it.
The Lord does not have a body, he is... a parasite's parasite. Can't say more without spoilers.
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Oop sorry, you're right
Wait, sorry, I am confused. Who are we fighting? Are we fighting:
1) Red King
2) A random Lord of the Outer Night
3) Red King possessing a random Lord of Outer Night
4) Red King possessing some random rhampires
5) A random Lord of Outer Night possessing random rhampires?
The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy.
This is where I remind you that Iku-Turso was also an enemy of the Red Court who they devoted resources to keep imprisoned in the middle of a war.
Just because a person has bad guys as his enemies doesnt make him good, or a prospective ally.
This guy, Malko, may have been a god of law, but he was part of the Inca Pantheon.
The Inca did human sacrifice to their gods.
Specifically children.
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So basically a Malkavian.
Fair enough.
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Y'know what, Im invoking shintai.
The most valuable resource right now is time, and this dude is slowing us down.
Lemme see if I can write an appropriate stunt.
Good night guys.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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I honestly don't really see it as any worse than the old monsters we've been working with. Mab, Odin, the Fairy Mothers... They all killed so many children that you could probably build a small city out of their bodies. Or the children were killed as a consequence of their plans. Honestly, those objections went out the window the moment we formed an alliance with Skinwalker against the Reds.
This guys does not fit the description of the Red King and it seems to you it would be hard for the Red King to posses 5 bodies at once so most likely two.
There is a difference between collateral damage and religious human sacrifice.
None of the old Players we're involved with appears to do that.
We certainly arent allied to Broken Seeker.
My impression was that we were talking to the Red King earlier, but that this guy is a Lord who was also present.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
Oh pish posh. The mothers didn't kill all those children on purpose. Oh no mab just lets her subjects eat children. Don't give me the bullshit. They are monsters who kill children. We work and are in alliance with them.
We're not Michael Carpenter Paladin of God. We're playing Molly "I flirted with a skinwalker for a common cause" Carpenter. This won't be a permanent alliance, just a joint attack on a common enemy. We might kill him like Iku-Turso after.
I seriously don't really see how the argument that he's too evil for an alliance can stand. He's an unreliable ally, that's another matter. Then we don't need him. But for one battle, a villain on our side is more or less the norm.
Both Odin and Mab in different ways benefit or have practiced human sacrifice in the past or in Mab's case outright abducts children or have people in their court that do that and do nothing about it. The lord of the hanged believe it or not has a lot of sacrifices behind him not to mention the blood Eagles and just generally horrific murders that are dedicated to him.
To put it mildly I will hesitate greatly on condemning a whole culture and people out of hand. Inca believed in reincarnation, from what I was able to find, and in this universe likely were at least somewhat right. Human sacrifice is not their unique practice, and, hell, it might even have worked. Regardless of anything else, just as in the case of Iku-Tsuro, right now the god is a victim and deserves compassion.
I would like to point out how archeological evidence indicates that Odin demanded human sacrifice. WInter Court does mass conscription of children with a guarantee of death, which is basically human sacrifice.
If we accepted this argument as valid for the setting?
Then Hiroshima, Nagasaki, every civilian death in war, every child that died due to sanctions, would all count the same as the dudes who got their throats slit on an altar.
Which I dont think you are willing to concede.
The Mothers WILL kill you if they think its necessary. So will Mab, and Titania. They will collateral your entire society as well.
They will not demand that their followers fatten up and sacrifice a bunch of kids every year for religious purposes; thats a whole different level of intentionality.
Mab/Winter accepts tribute in children who get trained to be soldiers.
The Norse to my knowledge did not practice child sacrifice, nor was human sacrifice a routine part of their religion;
I think some Norse did sacrifice enemy prisoners, but there isnt firm evidence of the sacrifice of members of their own society as part of religious ritual.
And this is different from sacrifice how? If anything, it's "human sacrifice with extra torture (training) steps". Because you don't get to retire. You die. Horrifically, at the hands of outsiders. End of story.
I hasten to disappoint you [1,2]. Archeological evidence of child sacrifice by vikings exists.
I am not condemning a whole culture and people.
I am saying that you all are making assumptions about a god and pantheon based on who one of their enemies are, despite previous evidence in the quest that its not determinative.
Im very much a person who can live with alliances of convenience.
But Im not investing effort in a god based on "the Red Court didnt like them."
By that definition, we'd be trying to raise Iku Turso.
Disputed. The only written records are hearsay by Christian clerics decades or centuries later.
The actual dead bodies are better evidence, but they arent at religious sites, and all it says is that human sacrifice(probably) occurred, not who it was performed to.
We have much stronger archeological evidence in South America