Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Remember, all we need is for something to play our song. Have each of the drones capable of playing it and we can drop our inner circle anytime.

I would rather not carpetbomb the place. I like the amazonas.

Also, we are a greater threat to them then a carpetbombing.



Mostly i care about speed. We can teleport and have ways to set waypoints far away.

We need to organize a hunt on the traitors, get morgan out, get the message, and probably rally some more people for whatever the enemy is planning.
We could split up.

But distance is only a suggestion for us.

So i think the best strategy is to gather a powerful party, and send them on a number of very short,very violent trips.

Basically, time spend tracking down the enemy is time not spend on other tasks. And a lot of things are happening at once.
 
The wiki-texts are a bit ambigous, but my reading always was that Drakul used Black Court Vampires as his personal goons for a long time before Dracula decided to spread his gift and turn it from a selected few assistants to the old monster into a proper Court of Vampires.
 
"Molly, I need you to listen carefully I'm playing a bit fast and loose with the the transitive nature of debt so I would rather not repeat myself."
So, question: would we know/be able to work out precisely what Lily's referring to here? Like, whose debt, precisely, is this based on? Not sure if that'd be occult knowledge, social, or indeed if I'm just not connecting the dots on information we already have as players.

Aside from that, I'm... actually quite pleased with how that conversation with Odin went. Could've been better, sure, but we got the help we wanted. Moreover, even with Odin getting some insight into us (something I remain convinced he could've done anyway, by various means) we got a pretty direct look - i.e. dicepool/sorcery/etc. - at his capabilities in this field, which is certainly helpful going forward.

Also, @DragonParadox, did we use Boiling Sea Mastery on that stonewalling roll? I'm assuming so, but it's not actually mentioned in the update.
 
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So, question: would we know/be able to work out precisely what Lily's referring to here? Not sure if that'd be occult knowledge, social, or indeed if I'm just not connecting the dots on information we already have as players.

Aside from that, I'm... actually quite pleased with how that conversation with Odin went. Could've been better, sure, but we got the help we wanted. Moreover, even with Odin getting some insight into us (something I remain convinced he could've done anyway, by various means) we got a pretty direct look - i.e. dicepool/sorcery/etc. - at his capabilities in this field, which is certainly helpful going forward.

Also, @DragonParadox, did we use Boiling Sea Mastery on that stonewalling roll? I'm assuming so, but it's not actually mentioned in the update.

You would need more to guess with any confidence, but Molly guesses Lily is interpreting her responsibilities to someone who happened to fall on Summer's Ways very broadly so she can give you the information

Yes you did use BSM.
 
@DragonParadox how long has it been since we first used the Crown in this series of events? Ten, twenty minutes?

I will present an unpopular opinion - this is a coincedence. Even if not, it is certainly not a directed attempt to distract Molly specifically. Here is my reasoning:
1) Dresden universe travel times are comparable to real world travel times. A bit faster globally (Maggie La Fey being able to cross Atlantic in three hours or so via supreme mastery of the Ways), but, barring special exceptions, it takes hours to days to get from point of the globe to the other, and tactically it takes tens of minutes to hours to move from one place to the other - cars, trains, and airplanes are meaningfully used by supernatural factions to get from one place to another. That an attack happened (and it has already happened) within at most twenty minutes of the start of event means that the vampires were already in place to attack.

2) If this was meant to distract Molly, the spirit carrying the message wouldn't have been disabled. Further, Lily only could tell us about what's going on thanks to the splendor we made her allowing her to bend the rules ( @DragonParadox am I correct in this interpretation?), which was unlikely to be predicted. The simplest explanation is that this is/was an attack for effect, i.e. they intended and intend to succeed, and don't want any outside forces interfering.

Based on these two things, and how I think our RVD capability (almost instant global travel time) is still mostly a secret, I think Molly should respond, way quicker than anyone expects.
 
@DragonParadox how long has it been since we first used the Crown in this series of events? Ten, twenty minutes?

However, time travel may allow them to cheat, they may not be able to change the past enough to avert the event that caused them to time travel to avoid acausality, but might allow them extra prep time.
 
Losing Donald in the books was a huge issue, not only losing the Warden Commander but also the strongest wizard in a scrap barring Merlin and maybe the Gatekeeper/Blackstaff. Here he's got even better history, didn't just come within an inch of killing the Red King but also took out a Lord of Outer Night.

We gotta protect him, that's a font of knowledge and experience for training more Wardens that we can't get anywhere else.
 
However, time travel may allow them to cheat, they may not be able to change the past enough to avert the event that caused them to time travel to avoid acausality, but might allow them extra prep time.
If we at "they are breaking out tactical backwards time travel to stage military operations" stage of escalation at the start of the conflict, we should very carefully reexamine "break open Black Vault" strategy, because this is very much Primordial War tier threat.
 
An alternative explanation without time travel. Number one, meta speaking GM is trying to distract us from trying to destroy the conspiracy and extend this plot. The second is not meta, it is one of their pre-prepared plans that they activated trying to maximize damage to the White Council before our actions.
 
An alternative explanation without time travel. Number one, meta speaking GM is trying to distract us from trying to destroy the conspiracy and extend this plot. The second is not meta, it is one of their pre-prepared plans that they activated trying to maximize damage to the White Council before our actions.
Possible, but this means that they had a rhampire strike team prepared to take on Morgan on standby but somehow prevented from striking. Possible, but unlikely, I feel.
 
Physically, this probably didn't take much effort for the Conspiracy.

Leak Morgan's location to the Red Court, in a place where they already have dangerous Elders anyway.
Turning an ambush into a counter-ambush is quick and deadly and something that can be arranged very swiftly with the right connections (which Peabody must have).

No need to think about Timetravel yet, in the age of instant communication.

Edit: Keep in mind the extreme difference between a prepared and unprepared Wizard. Morgan's hit-team can maybe take on Elder Rampires in a planned confrontation, but not if suddenly every bloodsucker in the area knows they are being hunted by Wizards, and turns the table.
 
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Physically, this probably didn't take much effort for the Conspiracy.

Leak Morgan's location to the Red Court, in a place where they already have dangerous Elders anyway.
Turning an ambush into a counter-ambush is quick and deadly and something that can be arranged very swiftly with the right connections (which Peabody must have).

No need to think about Timetravel yet, in the age of instant communication.

Edit: Keep in mind the extreme difference between a prepared and unprepared Wizard. Morgan's hit-team can maybe take on Elder Rampires in a planned confrontation, but not if suddenly every bloodsucker in the area knows they are being hunted by Wizards, and turns the table.
1) Outsider cultists are still mortal wizards. Techbane applies, so no mobile phones
2) They would need to know who to call (get the relevant phone numbers somehow)
3) They would need to call, prove their credentials, give the information, and have the rhampires respond in less than half an hour. Theoretically possible, but highly doubtful.

Anyway:

[X] Molly, you can probably blast though any trouble the fastest, not to mention use the Crown to track them down fast

Reasoning:
1) Molly's global response time should still be fairly unknown
2) Using Molly is the quickest solution
3) She's not actually needed right now, unless we are storming Hidden Halls or the twilight ream of the master of these bozos.
4) Molly is most likely to succeed
 
Remember, all we need is for something to play our song. Have each of the drones capable of playing it and we can drop our inner circle anytime.

I would rather not carpetbomb the place. I like the amazonas.

Also, we are a greater threat to them then a carpetbombing.



Mostly i care about speed. We can teleport and have ways to set waypoints far away.

We need to organize a hunt on the traitors, get morgan out, get the message, and probably rally some more people for whatever the enemy is planning.
We could split up.

But distance is only a suggestion for us.

So i think the best strategy is to gather a powerful party, and send them on a number of very short,very violent trips.

Basically, time spend tracking down the enemy is time not spend on other tasks. And a lot of things are happening at once.
RVD lets us effectively teleport anywhere with water. We could use our music trick, but it's not our only option.

Molly blending people is generally more dangerous than being bombed, but the benefit of lots of air strikes is that we can hit multiple targets at once with very little room for our opposition to reply. That makes it chaotic and hard for them to organize responses to while maximizing the damage done over the course of our brief visit.

Remember that we're talking about magitech AI drones too; stuff like fanning out to identify ground targets with advanced sensors and facial recognition software is on brand here.

So we could potentially do this:

1) Come in from the branch of the river Morgan tried to contact us from.

2) Sweep drones out across the area and identify targets on the ground.

3a) Provide immediate fire support if they're in trouble as Molly rushes towards them.

3b) Simultaneously bomb the shit out of anything that looks important with appropriate ordnance. Security? Predator missile strike with blessed shrapnel. Elder vamps? Napalm and more missiles till they stop moving. Really powerful vamps/obvious infrastructure? Cursed tac-nuke.

We can be selective about how much damage we do at any one point.

4) Arrive at wizards, recover demon drones, drag to hell escape via the FCF, pop up in Chicago at a waiting speaker blasting our song.

They can't get government support out there so I doubt they've managed to import AA defenses. By the time they know what's going on and figure out how many pieces their asses have been blown into we should be long gone.

Meanwhile our friends can be doing other stuff.

I'd also argue that we have confirmation that cursed radiation would be good for Amazonian biodiversity. Less red vamps, more exotic animals. :V

More seriously, if we want the red court off the council's back while we clean up the situation then some hits like this would be useful. Blowing up Morgan's target lets us do so without going out of our way.
 
Etiquette is key for Molly.
So she rolled 17 successes on 20 dice at DC5.
Odin rolls 18 successes on 17 dice.

If he beat that roll, he certainly would have beat the Charisma + Subterfuge roll, which was only 16 dice.
The only way Molly could have further increased her dice pool in this situation would have been to make this phone call outside in the snow to trigger Without Honor, or triggered CCC, and both would have revealed too much to Carlos and the kids.

Molly probably needs to pick up Fortune Path as a DC adjuster to apply blessings to herself.
And max out Charisma/Manipulation for that extra dice to her dice pool.
Even Path of Soulfire might help.

But thats for the future.
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Fucking Odin. :V
There's more than one reason why peers are a pain; they can cheat almost as hard as Exalts do.
A god of knowledge is nosy as fuck. He still needed luck to beat that roll, even with the buff spell running

The Reds trespassed on Summer land? Again?
After the disaster that was Summer ambushing their army last June as retaliation for years of offense?
That explains Lily getting to balance the scales again. The fact that they did so this soon suggests this is a fairly important affair.

That he sent a messenger instead of extracting himself and his team suggests that the area is likely locked down against people coming in and out. That explains the conspiracy wizards in South America; likely doing something similar to what they did in canon that prevented the Council from entering the Ways in Dead Beat.

Lydia is wrong.
The ambush/assassination of Morgan has to have been premeditated, not a response to anything Molly just did; the timelin doesnt work otherwise. So both of us are scrambling to respond.

Morgan took a strike team of Old Wardens to the Amazon to hopefully bag himself some higher-ups.
That means that whoever goes after him has to be ready to potentially face a Red Court task force led by one or more Lords of Outer Night, in addition to multiple evil wizards in support.

That essentially means Molly, as the only person here who can traverse rough country without issue and extract herself.
And who can medevac people at need.
So its her and a clone.

Either Song of Perennial Hours Intrinsically Ascending/Sophia or Ascendant Luminous Executor/Alex, who are the Dragonmage and Protector clones respectively.
Sophia talks to spirits and summons them, and Alex has a tracking Gift for finding Morgan.

And both can use RVD with Molly, so she wont have to open a Hellgate and alert every magically sensitive entity in the district that she's in the area. Also, both clones have healing Gifts, which might be necessary if Morgan is in as deep a pickle as it appears.

Leave one of them at Last Station, take the other to South America.
So that went about as poorly as it could have, we didn't so much stonewall as give him a hint. Now we've got to be on the lookout for Odin too. Note that even the guy who's totally going to exploit this information warned us against being so up front about it.
My dude, the man beat a 20 dice dicepool, even if only by 1 success.
I dont see how you can seriously expect that picking the lower dicepool option would have been a better choice.
 
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1) Outsider cultists are still mortal wizards. Techbane applies, so no mobile phones
2) They would need to know who to call (get the relevant phone numbers somehow)
3) They would need to call, prove their credentials, give the information, and have the rhampires respond in less than half an hour. Theoretically possible, but highly doubtful.
Peabody or someone else high in the conspiracy was already leaking to the Red Court at times, I believe?

I imagine a well-secured conspiracy can have a quick line of communication, and Wizards can either use a proxy or an old landline phone?

It's not easy, but if this was a prepared contingency, firing it of should be quick.
 
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[X] Molly, you can probably blast though any trouble the fastest, not to mention use the Crown to track them down fast
-[X] Bring Sophia or Alex with her, leave the other in Last Station


RATIONALE
Molly can RVD into the area with a clone, and her clones have information-gathering abilities to find Morgan and his team.
Sophia and Alex both have Secret of Gaia and Sense the Unnatural, and Alex has Attunement and Pulse of the Prey.
They can find him fast even if he's moving. AND she has the firepower to handle most contingencies.

Carlos does not have the mobility to slog through the Amazon looking for someone who is currently being hunted by Red Court Blood Packs. And God forbid he run into a Lord of Outer Night on his own.

Lydia lacks the firepower to handle the potential contingency of running into a Lord of Outer Night with magical support.
And the mobility to evac friendlies.
Too marginal IMO.
 
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[X] Molly, you can probably blast though any trouble the fastest, not to mention use the Crown to track them down fast
-[X] Bring Sophia or Alex with her, leave the other in Last Station
 
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[X] Molly, you can probably blast though any trouble the fastest, not to mention use the Crown to track them down fast
-[X] Bring Sophia or Alex with her, leave the other in Last Station

RATIONAL
Carlos does not have the mobility to slog through the Amazon looking for someone who is currently being hunted by Red Court Blood Packs. And God forbid he run into a Lord of Outer Night on his own.

Lydia lacks the firepower to handle the potential contingency of running into a Lord of Outer Night with magical support.
And the mobility to evac friendlies.
Too marginal IMO.

You could just either one of them up and fly. Molly is more than strong enough to do so even one handed so she can use her sword
 
However, time travel may allow them to cheat, they may not be able to change the past enough to avert the event that caused them to time travel to avoid acausality, but might allow them extra prep time.
Time travel is fantastically hard and obvious, I think we can discount it until we see more specific evidence of something happening.
My dude, the man beat a 20 dice dicepool, even if only by 1 success.
I dont see how you can seriously expect that picking the lower dicepool option would have been a better choice.
We didn't need to draw him a map though.

Molly stonewalled by admitting a connection to how she's gotten all her information and he drew the right conclusions from it.

If we'd lied then he'd have potentially known we were lying and maybe made a speculative connection to what we've done in the past, but at least there'd have been another layer of misdirection instead of admitting to it.

The worst possible result would be us ending up where we are right now, maybe with Odin being a touch more annoyed with us. I'd take more uncertainty for more irritation in a heartbeat. Not that I think he would have been, because he essentially did the same thing the Archive did with the warning about Molly's senses.

Odin basically told us that we'd just screwed up and should have done a better job lying to him at the end of that call.
 
Another thing is that the spirit was intercepted too. I can buy, maybe, a strong hit team being assembled in ten minutes if the situation is favorable. But one that can also intercept a fleeing spirit? That requires specialized skills.
 
[X] Molly, you can probably blast though any trouble the fastest, not to mention use the Crown to track them down fast
 
The wiki-texts are a bit ambigous, but my reading always was that Drakul used Black Court Vampires as his personal goons for a long time before Dracula decided to spread his gift and turn it from a selected few assistants to the old monster into a proper Court of Vampires.
Yes, thats essentially what Butcher says happened.
Drakul created the Black Court Vampire, but Dracula created the Black Court as a political power.
You would need more to guess with any confidence, but Molly guesses Lily is interpreting her responsibilities to someone who happened to fall on Summer's Ways very broadly so she can give you the information

Yes you did use BSM.
Alternatively? She's retaliating against the Red Court trespassing on Summer-claimed territory.
I mean, its not been a year since Summer under Lily's command trapped the Red Court army in a battle with the White Council.
That was where Morgan killed the Duke and a pair of Counts before the Red King could escape.
You could just either one of them up and fly. Molly is more than strong enough to do so even one handed so she can use her sword
Her clones can fly, IIRC. Its one of the things they keep from Molly Prim.
Besides, Molly has MHM; she can carry people if necessary.
Now if her speed is sufficient.....
 
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