Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Murphy is going to be lying to her family anyway, if by omission. And she never brought Dresden in a professional (ie magic) capacity. Molly is magical enough, strange enough, that there will be lies anyway.
1) No she isnt.
"Im doing the kid a favor by looking into a family ancestor around the Great Fire" is entirely true, if misleading.


2) And yes, she did. Blood Rites was when Harry came to pick her up to hunt vampires.
Family gathering. Thats where we meet Lisa and Rick in canon.

Furthermore, her father, Captain Murphy, was the previous head of the unit that preceded Special Investigations.
Mama Murphy knows whats up. She TOLD Dresden she knows whats up.
Karrin doesnt know that Mama Murphy knows.
"The legal system can be that way," Mama Murphy agreed. "I'm sorry my daughter dragged you into our family squabble."
"I volunteered," I said.
"And now you regret it?"
I shook my head. "Hell-uh, heck, no. She's been there for me too many times, Mrs. Murphy. I don't know if you're aware of how dangerous her job can be. The kinds of things she faces in Special Investigations can be especially difficult. And disturbing. Your daughter saves lives. There are people who would be dead right now if she hadn't been there. I'm several of them."
Mama Murphy was quiet for a moment before she said, "Before they established Special Investigations, the department routinely handed all those cases to senior detectives in the Thirteenth Precinct. The cases were referred to as black cat investigations. The detectives as black cats."
"I didn't know that," I said.
She nodded. "My husband was a black cat for twelve years."
I frowned. "Murphy never told me that."
"I never told her. And Karrin never knew her father very well," Mama Murphy said. "He was away so much of the time. And he died when she was only eleven."
"Line of duty?"
Momma Murphy shook her head. "The work got to him. He… he grew distant and started to drink too much. And one night at his desk he took his own life." She faced me and said, her voice tired and sad, "You see, Harry, my Collin never spoke of it, but I can read between lines as well as anyone. I know what my daughter is facing."

That hung in the air between us for a moment.
"She's good," I said. "Not just skilled. She's got a good heart, Mrs. Murphy. I'd sooner trust her with my life than anyone else in the world. It isn't fair for you to give her a hard time about her job."
Mama Murphy's eyes sparkled, though they were also a little sad. "She thinks she's protecting me from the awful truth, Harry, when I complain about her work and she keeps things secret in reply. It makes her happy to know that her mother is not even aware of such dangerous things. I could never take that away from her."
I arched an eyebrow at Mama Murphy. Then smiled.

Dont lie to people when you dont have to.
Especially dont lie when these are people who have links and knowledge you are unaware of.
Thats how you burn your credibility without even knowing it.


3) Molly has social Excellencies.
She has no need to lie. There's nothing here for her to lie about.
"Im doing research for a project concerning the Great Fire" is all true and perfectly misleading at the same time.

Daedalus would certainly quickly gain interest if Molly Carpenter started digging into it, especially with a catholic priest in tow.
1) There is zero evidence he is Daedalus. Daedalus is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the FBI.If he was Daedalus, he would have been part of the team to bring Dresden into custody, because a familiar face is used to bring people in quietly.

2) Daedalus have no idea who Molly Carpenter is, besides possibly a low level practitioner and daughter of a Dresden associate. We deal with the Library, not Daedalus.

3) Catholic priest =/= supernatural.
Murphy is going to be lying anyway. She'll be uncomfortable here.
She isnt going to be lying unless we make her lie to support our story.
MOLLY is going to be pulling the social heat here.
 
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1) No she isnt.
"Im doing the kid a favor by looking into a family ancestor around the Great Fire" is entirely true, if misleading.
That's called "lie by omission" and can be as emotionally challenging as outright lying.
Furthermore, her father, Captain Murphy, was the previous head of the unit that preceded Special Investigations.
Mama Murphy knows whats up. She TOLD Dresden she knows whats up.
Karrin doesnt know that Mama Murphy knows.
As long as Karrin thinks she needs to shield her family from reality, it's the same as them not knowing.
1) There is zero evidence he is Daedalus. Daedalus is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the FBI.If he was Daedalus, he would have been part of the team to bring Dresden into custody, because a familiar face is used to bring people in quietly.

2) Daedalus have no idea who Molly Carpenter is, besides possibly a low level practitioner and daughter of a Dresden associate. We deal with the Library, not Daedalus.

3) Catholic priest =/= supernatural.
1) No he wouldn't, because that burns him as a HUMINT asset (if Daedalus is treating WC as an international terrorist organization / cult, which from their perspective they are, then they would be cultivating spies against them). Or he wasn't recruited at the time. Or he isn't a Daedalus agent now.

2) That is, at best, arguable. They didn't know about Molly several months ago. We made a lot of waves since then.

No, it's much easier to be someone else here. No prior history with anyone.
 
That's called "lie by omission" and can be as emotionally challenging as outright lying.
Its not.
Because you dont have to make or defend false statements when you simply omit facts.
You dont have to remember them in the future, or keep your facts straight.

As long as Karrin thinks she needs to shield her family from reality, it's the same as them not knowing.
No it isnt.
Those people in the know know when she's hiding stuff. Karrin gets a pass on being the woman's daughter, we dont.

Note that in the quoted scene, Dresden doesnt lie to Mama Murphy.
He just doesnt go into detail.
Dont lie to people who you may end up having to deal with repeatedly.

1) No he wouldn't, because that burns him as a HUMINT asset (if Daedalus is treating WC as an international terrorist organization / cult, which from their perspective they are, then they would be cultivating spies against them). Or he wasn't recruited at the time. Or he isn't a Daedalus agent now.

2) That is, at best, arguable. They didn't know about Molly several months ago. We made a lot of waves since then.

No, it's much easier to be someone else here. No prior history with anyone.
1) Rick is an FBI agent. Dresden knows he's an FBI agent. His going to arrest someone on a federal crime is literally his job.
Noone was ever going to tell him shit that might even hint at illegal activity, he doesnt believe in the supernatural IIRC, and the fact that he's Murphy's ex and married to her sister made him of negative value as an informant.

He was at Splattercon helping to investigate a local murder which is Crime Branch business, so the chances of his being Daedalus, who are all National Security Branch, are negative.
Furthermore, he was married to Karrin; there's negative chance he could have been working for spooks and she wouldnt know.

And we got access to Wright's cellphone, turned the cyberdevils loose, and he didnt show up on the list of agents; if he was Daedalus, he'd have been part of their entire operation in Chicago, because they dont have that many people who are cleared for the knowledge.

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2) Not arguable.
They didnt know anything about her when they came to Chicago , and there's no evidence that they know anything about her now; we got good access to Wright's comms, and she didnt show up on their discussions.

We werent on camera in Vegas or Boston, and they dont talk to the people we do.
And our waves have been on the supernatural side, where Daedalus explicitly knows fuckall.


Most importantly, we know we havent showed up on their radar because they havent poked us.

The guys who decided that Harry was a member of the "Lawgivers" and then tried to blackmail him into service with a murder charge would have assuredly tried more pressure on the teenager with a juvenile criminal record. Especially since they explicitly try to recruit everyone they can, with the Library almost as quickly trying to take supernaturals off their hands.
 
I mean… Molly is an exalt? Sociallly destroy them
This is still like shoveling raw sewage with your bare hands though; Molly's fantastic cosmic power would make sure it doesn't get her sick or something, but it'd still be unpleasant.
They know the Paranet exists, he's talked to Luccio(his commander and his ex) about it, and Luccio is tentatively in favor.

But he doesnt campaign about it in the Council.
There is no indication that the junior Wardens have an opinion, and a lot of the elder wizards that Luccio talked to appear to consider it to be too much of a security risk after Peabody.
He refers to having railed against it for years and this is a wedge issue for the different generations of wizards. That comes up multiple times in the series. The fact that policy decisions have been made against it by the older wizards and their opinions at large matter instead of it being a issue sealed to leadership demonstrate it's a public issue being debated by the council.


I dont really agree.
You are training reflexes and ways of thinking that do not go away, even for senior wizards.
Even for the Blackstaff.
Only if we treat lawbreaking as something to normalize rather than something to continually regulate. The issue is that if anyone is ever moved to break them by ignorance, malice, or plain bad luck then they go off the rails and have a lifelong problem which is horrifically dangerous to everyone around them.

Being able to kill in self defense without picking up a murder habit should not equate to ending human life being a casual occurrence. Such a familiar should not be just left in the wind, they'd need to be part of a monitoring network and strong push for educational outreach because no one effort will fully address this issue.

If someone takes up spree killing they should be punished as a murderer, but where's there's room to correct the situation short of that it would be ideal to do so.

I'm still thinking about an intermediate suppression variant to help get the council on board though, because I expect similar arguments from them on this issue at least in part.

I still don't really get the difference between the ruling on using Empathic Healing with a q splendor and just using a splendor, but I'm hoping some combination of that path and this merit could make a custom ability specifically for this that doesn't require such a limited resource purely for the sake of medicating the issue. Matching vampire spit in effectiveness doesn't seem that unreasonable to me.

Innate Magical Ability You have some sort of magical ability that makes you unique. The ability is different from any normal vampiric power or Discipline. The exact nature of the ability should remain somewhat mysterious to you, though you have some say in what the ability is. The ability has an estimated power level similar to a Level Three Discipline. (PGS)
Cite.
Sanctuary Martial Arts seems appropriate. She's already a martial artist of some skill and experience in multiple disciplines, so most of the skills would transfer.
Yeah, but I give it good odds the mechanics of each path she learns about getting put in a report for the Library and anyone they're forced to report to. I like them, and we can't keep this information secret forever, but I'm unhappy with the idea of people tailoring strategies to exploit the requirements of our world's paths before they even get deployed more than a couple of times. The opposition should at least have to earn their data set fighting angry dragon people in magitech power armor instead of telecommuting to Murphy's lessons.
 
[X] Push through, a little awkwardness won't kill you... though a lot might feel like it
-[X] Empathy/Etiquette Excellencies + All Things Betray as necessary

We have a perfect disguise charm. Unless someone inside is a wizard, an exalt, or a denarian, we can just be someone else.
Seems completely unnecessary, and a negative if anything.
 
Most importantly, we know we havent showed up on their radar because they havent poked us.

The guys who decided that Harry was a member of the "Lawgivers" and then tried to blackmail him into service with a murder charge would have assuredly tried more pressure on the teenager with a juvenile criminal record. Especially since they explicitly try to recruit everyone they can, with the Library almost as quickly trying to take supernaturals off their hands
I doubt they're unaware of Molly in the general sense, especially after Vegas where pictures of her were getting passed around to at least one Senator and we ended up signing a deal with the feds. They sent a letter to the Catholic Church about her, I doubt Daedalus is being kept further out of the loop by members of the same government than the Pope. My bet is that the Library has made the case that Molly obviously disdains them and has gathered enough political points recently to keep them from bothering us.

It fits their agenda too well for me to see them keep silent. The last thing they want is for idiots in suits to screw up the most important advancement of the government's position in their area of responsibility in at least the last century, and the act of defending it can trivially be make into political hay against Daedalus to the broader bureaucracy. Either the Library is competent they could make even the teenage demon planet situation somehow work out, or Daedalus is so incompetent that they nearly killed a good thing before it got going, depending on the perspective of the people in question.

Our access to their communication timed out months ago because we didn't hit permanent on the HMP roll for that phone, so anything they have on those situations would be unknown to us.
 
I doubt they're unaware of Molly in the general sense, especially after Vegas where pictures of her were getting passed around to at least one Senator and we ended up signing a deal with the feds. They sent a letter to the Catholic Church about her, I doubt Daedalus is being kept further out of the loop by members of the same government than the Pope. My bet is that the Library has made the case that Molly obviously disdains them and has gathered enough political points recently to keep them from bothering us.

It fits their agenda too well for me to see them keep silent. The last thing they want is for idiots in suits to screw up the most important advancement of the government's position in their area of responsibility in at least the last century, and the act of defending it can trivially be make into political hay against Daedalus to the broader bureaucracy. Either the Library is competent they could make even the teenage demon planet situation somehow work out, or Daedalus is so incompetent that they nearly killed a good thing before it got going, depending on the perspective of the people in question.

Our access to their communication timed out months ago because we didn't hit permanent on the HMP roll for that phone, so anything they have on those situations would be unknown to us.
1)There were no pics of Molly in Vegas. The explosion yes, Molly no.
The federal agents we dealt with in Vegas were Library, not Daedalus.
Similarly, the Library sent that letter to the Catholic Church, not Daedalus.

We have largely avoided any professional contact with the Ds

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2)Of course they would.

Need to Know has long been a guiding principle of the alphabet soup, and the Library has one of their guiding principles being limiting the spread of supernatural information in the government. See the Vegas situation, where Daedalus had fuckall idea what lies underneath the city. Else they wouldnt have suggested using magic sonar there.

Furthermore, everytime anyone gives Daedalus an inch they try to take a mile.
Thats how the scouting mission into the Boston-adjacent NeverNever turned into a black bag job against unknown opposition in the middle of a major city at the same time Molly was raiding the joint.

Or how they tried to subvert a murder investigation into a coercive recruitment attempt.

The Library are also under no illusions about the ability of other supernatural actors to drain Daedalus of any information they have. Whether its a mage freelancing for a faction, a Red using venom, a White doing a seduction, a Black just mindcrushing the victim, a Jade using Authority, or just fae glamor. And thats just three types of supernaturals.

I am confident in asserting that they told Daedalus nothing about the agreement we came to in Vegas.
Nevermind who the agreement was signed with.
There's a good chance they didnt even mention it to their bosses, nevermind a bunch of upstarts.

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3) Our access to their communications timed out six months ago, but even then we had a good overview of their field agent roster. Thats how we can be reasonably sure that Agent Rick has nothing to do with Daedalus.

If we want to re-achieve access to their network, or even just map out every member of Daedalus, we would just take the ID of one of the dozens whose identities we have uncovered, call them up at home as a telemarketer, and use that scene with them on the phone as a focus to discover the entire chain of command.

Its just not a priority.
 
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He refers to having railed against it for years and this is a wedge issue for the different generations of wizards. That comes up multiple times in the series. The fact that policy decisions have been made against it by the older wizards and their opinions at large matter instead of it being a issue sealed to leadership demonstrate it's a public issue being debated by the council.
No, he refers to having discussed it with Luccio.

His Captain-Commander, and the woman who he was dating for several years in canon.
He didnt discuss, or advocate for it, with the wider wizard community; there isnt even any reference that he advocated for it among the Wardens. That was all Luccio.

Which is why I was startled when you said that he advocated it.
Pre-Changes Dresden would do no such thing; he did his best to pretend politics didnt exist, and socialized with other wizards as little as possible. He's the senior Warden regional commander who didnt recognize the Senior Warden discussion room.


Only if we treat lawbreaking as something to normalize rather than something to continually regulate. The issue is that if anyone is ever moved to break them by ignorance, malice, or plain bad luck then they go off the rails and have a lifelong problem which is horrifically dangerous to everyone around them.

Being able to kill in self defense without picking up a murder habit should not equate to ending human life being a casual occurrence. Such a familiar should not be just left in the wind, they'd need to be part of a monitoring network and strong push for educational outreach because no one effort will fully address this issue.

If someone takes up spree killing they should be punished as a murderer, but where's there's room to correct the situation short of that it would be ideal to do so.

I'm still thinking about an intermediate suppression variant to help get the council on board though, because I expect similar arguments from them on this issue at least in part.

I still don't really get the difference between the ruling on using Empathic Healing with a q splendor and just using a splendor, but I'm hoping some combination of that path and this merit could make a custom ability specifically for this that doesn't require such a limited resource purely for the sake of medicating the issue. Matching vampire spit in effectiveness doesn't seem that unreasonable to me.
We? We have no control over this.
Internal wizard policing is internal wizard policing, and the White Council will vigorously defend their perceived turf against interlopers. We dont get a say about how they choose to implement anything we introduce.

I'd go into this more but my eyes are glazing over, and I need to get some rest.
Yeah, but I give it good odds the mechanics of each path she learns about getting put in a report for the Library and anyone they're forced to report to. I like them, and we can't keep this information secret forever, but I'm unhappy with the idea of people tailoring strategies to exploit the requirements of our world's paths before they even get deployed more than a couple of times. The opposition should at least have to earn their data set fighting angry dragon people in magitech power armor instead of telecommuting to Murphy's lessons.
Yes, I expect that to get out, at least as far as the Library.
This is something Murphy will probably share, but the Library are almost certainly aware of the Shih, and dont share all that much with the rest of the US Govt anyway.

And I am reasonably sure the wizards already know about anyway from Morgan's fieldtrip.
So nothing groundbreaking.

Which is also one reason why I didnt want to talk about Awakening The P'o.
Which is itself ground-breaking.
The reason there's no rules saying you can't do it is because you literally just can. It's really expensive both in Mastery and in cost and can easily net you a lot of paradox but Mages can just do that.
I thought you knew this.

The Better Body rote allows Mages with high Life to self-buff all around, from attributes to natural weapons to the ability to soak Agg to armor. Archmage Voormas has a warform that has a stat block that goes from his normal Strength 1/Dex 1/Stamina 2 to Strength 8/Dex 6/Stamina 7

Im reasonably sure Listens to Wind does something similar; Shagnasty broke his arm in canon and he seemed to ignore it.
But there dont appear to be all that many wizards in the Dresdenverse with high Life Spheres.
At least, not that we see on screen.

Lots of Forces/Matter/Correspondence/Entropy/Prime/Spirit adepts; not very much Life or Mind or Time.
 
I thought you knew this.

The Better Body rote allows Mages with high Life to self-buff all around, from attributes to natural weapons to the ability to soak Agg to armor. Archmage Voormas has a warform that has a stat block that goes from his normal Strength 1/Dex 1/Stamina 2 to Strength 8/Dex 6/Stamina 7

Im reasonably sure Listens to Wind does something similar; Shagnasty broke his arm in canon and he seemed to ignore it.
But there dont appear to be all that many wizards in the Dresdenverse with high Life Spheres.
At least, not that we see on screen.

Lots of Forces/Matter/Correspondence/Entropy/Prime/Spirit adepts; not very much Life or Mind or Time.
I knew about Voormas' Avatar of Kali and the subsequent Health levels that came with it but that's transforming away from being both human sized and human shaped the fact it gave the extra Health levels is proof to the concept but isn't quite the same thing.
I had suspicions that Mages were capable of giving themselves more Health levels using life and Prime while remaining completely human shaped and sized but I had only a couple of backgrounds to support that suspicion and a lack of evidence to the contrary until I bought How do you do that.
 
There were no pics of Molly in Vegas. The explosion yes, Molly no.
It's was left kind of dubious and unclear but the way Von and the Senator talked about the incident would imply that there was footage of us. Enough to get a description of our apparel at least.

And the cameras there would catch her just as these have," Andrea pointed out calmly.
Yes if this young woman in a cowboy costume in Vegas
 
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I'm still thinking about an intermediate suppression variant to help get the council on board though, because I expect similar arguments from them on this issue at least in part.
The books of Laws seems like a good solution. If nothing else, they make Doom of Damocles much safer for everyone involved. If someone breaks the Law out of ignorance and only once, it would make sense for them to sign the book of the Law they broke, so they won't be able to do it anymore, and to be assigned a minder / teacher.
 
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  • [X] Plan Woman With a Thousand Faces
    -[X] Push through, a little awkwardness won't kill you... though a lot might feel like it
    -[X] Use Black Mirror Incarnation to make yourself look similar, but distinct from Molly Carpenter
    -[X] Subterfuge excellency, Etiquette Excellency if needed. All Things Betray with Willpower.
    -[X] STUNT: you lean back into your seat, momentarily hidden from view by father Forthill. When next you move, exiting the car, it's Margret Smith, who is smiling at Lieutenant Murphy's relative, and definitely not Molly Carpenter. Not with that bearing, grace or looks, which, while similar from a distance, are those of an older woman with a different eye color and different subtle details. It's possible that she's a distant cousin, but that's all.
    [X] Push through, a little awkwardness won't kill you... though a lot might feel like it
    -[X] Empathy/Etiquette Excellencies + All Things Betray as necessary
    [X] Plan Woman With a Thousand Faces
    -[X] Push through, a little awkwardness won't kill you... though a lot might feel like it
    -[X] Use Black Mirror Incarnation to make yourself look similar, but distinct from Molly Carpenter
    -[X] Subterfuge excellency, Etiquette Excellency if needed. All Things Betray with Willpower.
    -[X] STUNT: you lean back into your seat, momentarily hidden from view by father Forthill. When next you move, exiting the car, it's Margret Smith, who is smiling at Detective Murphy's relative, and definitely not Molly Carpenter. Not with that bearing, grace or looks, which, while similar from a distance, are those of an older woman with a different eye color and different subtle details. It's possible that she's a distant cousin, but that's all.
    [X] Push through, a little awkwardness won't kill you... though a lot might feel like it
 
I knew about Voormas' Avatar of Kali and the subsequent Health levels that came with it but that's transforming away from being both human sized and human shaped the fact it gave the extra Health levels is proof to the concept but isn't quite the same thing.
I had suspicions that Mages were capable of giving themselves more Health levels using life and Prime while remaining completely human shaped and sized but I had only a couple of backgrounds to support that suspicion and a lack of evidence to the contrary until I bought How do you do that.
Fair enough.
But like I said, I think the Better Body effect is like Life 3; there may be variants that use other Spheres, but I dont remember them. And there dont seem to be many wizards who are high Life Sphere that we see onscreen.

It's was left kind of dubious and unclear but the way Von and the Senator talked about the incident would imply that there was footage of us. Enough to get a description of our apparel at least.

Yes they captured the explosion thing on camera, but no they didnt get her face.
If they had gotten Molly on camera, they would be using her name, because her face and fingerprints are in law enforcement databases from her getting arrested as a juvenile.
 
Arc 13 Post 41: Cup Running Over
Cup Running Over

13th of February 2007 A.D.

Thinking quickly you ask what you're pretty sure has to be at least one of the top ten questions one is not supposed to ask a cop: "How OK are you with lying exactly?"

"Rick's a cop and a good one at that, he won't have forgotten... a face?" The sentence ends on a question as you slip on a mask, another mask you should say, having put on a black mirror incarnation in the morning that is a duplicate of your face, just in case you meet someone sensitive walking their dog. Margret Smith though is distinctly not you, she's older, more confident and just a an inch or so taller, the farthest thing from the scared girl in that interrogation room.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 17/18 (BMI)

"Margret Smith," you whisper hurriedly as you get out of the car. "I'm working on my PhD, we met through father Forthil and he decided to tag along when we found the missing peppers at the archdiocese. I'm originally from Saint Louis which is how I got into this whole thing, make this a detective story and it should distract detectives."

"You can do that with anyone?" Detective Murphy's voice is a harsh whisper as you cross the yard, aware she shouldn't keep talking about this and unable to let it go.

"Anyone I can picture," you explain, already affixing a restrained but warm smile on your face.

As the door creaks open, at least to your ears, you are greeted with the sight of Murphy's mother looking at her daughter, starting to frown and say something... then stopping herself at the sight of Father Forthil, She greets him first, giving you a chance to give her a unobstructed once over: tiny stud earnings and that look that most men think is what women look like without makeup when it really takes longer to put on than the alternative. She moves like someone who had picked her lane in life and by gosh she is the fastest, meanest driver in that lane.

"Mrs Murphy good afternoon, my name is Margret Smith..." The smile the handshake, everything goes down very well. You get invited in 'out of the cold' —admittedly you might have been a bit light on the illusory wardrobe, but it's getting harder to remember how cold you should be— and then it happens.

It's not that a three year old running with a poorly-covered cup is unheard of, you can still remember that one school photo day when Leech covered your uniform in orange juice and Mom had to pull a borderline miracle to clean it in time. But most kids are either clever enough not to try to run past an adult like that into a pair of strange adults or good enough not to try. Not this tyke.

"Aunt Karin! Aunt Karin, look what I can do!" He proceeds to try to blow a bubble of gum having just drank some juice, to predictable results.

Alas you you cannot save everything from a grape colored fate without introducing the Murphy clan at large to the concept of telekinesis, but you manage to grab it such that it only spills about a third of the contents onto the carpet rather all of it onto a frozen-in-place... you can't really call her Murphy here can you? Karin?

Contemplation aside you instinctively get a good grip on the squirming kid with your other hand and, handing off the cup to Father Forthil —"I've got this!"— whack him on the back to get the gum out. Thankfully it does flying all the way out into the yard.

"And that's why we don't drink juice and chew bubble gum at the same time, 'K buddy?" you say in autonomous big-sister mode, wondering all the while who the heck gave him gum to start with, never mind that and a juice cup with a flimsy lid.

Said kid whose face had briefly scrunched up for a cry looks vaguely sheepish... which is unfortunately more than can be said for the scream that comes from inside the living room: "What are you doing to my Liam!"

"Preventing a choking hazard Lisa!" Lieutenant Murphy had recovered just in time to announce in a very un-Lieutenant-Murphy-tone. You suspect she would have liked to say more but she manages to bite it back into curt politeness.

"Little fellow's right as rain, Mrs..." you trail off with a rueful smile. Your kid your rules, even if they are dumb.

"Boughton," she pronounces it like it's French, causing her husband to shift uncomfortably, though not her mother who's far too busy fussing over the now pouting toddler.

Settling down after that is a process, but you're not in a hurry and Margret Smith's not supposed to be either so you just sit through it, exchanging looks with Father Forthil while Mama Murphy moves on from fussing over her grandson to fussing about Murphy 'eating alright' then if she's still in 'that posting'. From the vaguely sympathetic 'harrumph' of a mostly silent and shockingly red-haired Sam Murphy who is sitting just far enough from both his sisters to make it very clear he wants no part of any argument between them, you'd guess that's a common occurrence. Finally you get to the reason why you're here:

"Father John Murphy you said, your great-grandfather's brother, oh I've got far better than that, I've got his journal, though..." Mrs Murphy trails off embarrassed. "It's hard to read in places."

"Might be gibberish, might be code," Sam interjects, obviously very happy at the change of subject. "I'm no historian, but I have done a course in handwriting analyses and that is not the hand of a man who writes gibberish so code's my guess. Though what a priest would need code for..." he glances over at Father Forthil like he's expecting him to admit that Dan Brown was right all along.

"I am as curious as you are my son," the priest admits, entirely honestly.

So you wait patiently over a cup of coffee, making smalltalk with Sam and the oblivious Rich, fleshing out your story, while Marion, as you find Lieutenant Murphy's mother is called, goes to get the papers.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 16/18 (Subterfuge Excellency)

Rather than go straight for the journal you look through the handful of letters, most of it is very mundane, the kind of thing you'd write about to catch family up on your life in another state, but once 1869 rolls around they start to have an air of solemnity to them, at once heavier and lighter... a man settling accounts, you recognize, a chill running down your spine.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 15/18 (Empathy Excellency)

Then comes the journal, you pick it up gingery and look at Sam for pointers on where you might find the 'code' and... it's spells, all of it is spells, taken safely apart so that the act of a magician putting down words that they've used to channel power before does not set the page on fire or imprint it with magic some other way. Father John Murphy had been a sorcerer if not a proper wizard.

What do you do?

[] Try to get them to give you the book, that is not safe just laying around here
-[] Write in arguments from Margret Smith's perspective

[] Snap pictures of every page so you can study it later, leave the book here

[] Write in


OOC: Molly is starting to appreciate how drama free her family is.
 
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If this thing's dangerous, I think it's a long-term danger, where someone stumbles upon it months or years from now and tries to make use of it?

We could just steal it a few weeks from now and then ask "[focus: the book] who all read/copied it, and when"?

The chances of the coded spell knowledge being used between now and [time we steal it] feels very low, and by asking the crown at the time we steal it rather than now, we can account for that possibility.
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Perhaps we could go to the bathroom and manufacture a very tiny tracking/signal device that'll last a few weeks and slip it into the spine/under the cover, so we can find the book later?
 
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[X] Try to get them to give you the book, that is not safe just laying around here
-[X] You would like to get these into a proper lab. Do some testing of ink and paper, show it to your colleagues who are better at cyphers.
-[X] You'll make high-resoultion scans using specialized equipment in the lab - you just don't have equipment on site.
-[X] You'll get them the book back in several weeks.
 
[X] Try to get them to give you the book, that is not safe just laying around here
-[X] You would like to get these into a proper lab. Do some testing of ink and paper, show it to your colleagues who are better at cyphers.
-[X] You'll make high-resoultion scans using specialized equipment in the lab - you just don't have equipment on site.
-[X] You'll get them the book back in several weeks.


I dont really think we need the book, but like, no reason not to try for it? It would make a better focus than pictures after all.
 
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