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Graces are metaphysical organs for Exalted Fair folk/Rakshasa
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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It's an organ, a spiritual organ but an organ nonetheless, this beings desire and... capacity to feel empathy. Up to you guys if you want to explain that last bit to Harry.
That is a bit wrong graces are not their emotions. But their ability to fake their emotions and stuff to the world, so they can interact with the world.It's an organ, a spiritual organ but an organ nonetheless, this beings desire and... capacity to feel empathy. Up to you guys if you want to explain that last bit to Harry.
A Raksha could be a mass slaughterer that kills entire villages. But if their cup grace is 5 dots the world treats them as if they where an ultra compassionate person, animals will love them, birds will back them up for musical numbers etc.
If a Raksha lost their Sword grace they can still want to kill you, they just cannot access the physics of violence to actually do it.
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@DragonParadox Errors
Either needs capitalization or the period should be changed.
Should be "now that you think of it".
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Can we force a rakasha to lose their grace with a charm? Or have a mage remove any graces they have?
He certainly did, and I'd like to point out that "do not swim against the currents of time" is likely to be "do not break the universe" law, like "do not seek beyond the Gates", rather than "don't do corruptive/evil magic". Like, I am fairly sure that while Blackstaff is allowed to kill using magic, he still cannot summon outsiders / do major outside related stuff.
Regarding wardens - we don't know how often White Council supplied them. We don't know what they know. No, you absolutely can run a magical prison not knowing how it works. In fact, the less you know about the backend, the better in many cases.
I am almost certain that not all guidelines are known to White Council, and at least some of those were purposefully distorted. If I was keeping stuff imprisoned until the End of Days, I would keep a lot of it secret.
[X] Back to mortal Chicago, you know where the Great Fire was said to have started and you have at least one name that must have belonged to a local, check that information
-[X] Crown Question using the current scene: What are the rules under which the Embermane's Grace was acquired, is kept and can be released?
Yes.. but also that is a very philosophical point, if the only face you have is a mask there is an argument to be made that you just have a prosthetic detachable face
Aren't the graces how you build a Rakasha's character sheet? It seems weird to call them fake simply because they aren't straightforward. I mean, people can be highly empathetic and still kill others - it just changes the motives they'd have for it.
The kind of heavy hitters involved in this kind of thing would be able to unwind such a curse, especially with preptime.
Just preemptively start moving Sanctuary military forces into the Chicago area like 1-2 weeks before every Halloween.
As a routine exercise.
Just in case.
The Laws are human laws, established and enforced by the White Council, and the White Council was established by the Merlin. There's a good chance they didnt exist at all when Demonreach was built. Especially since Demonreach was built with time magic. After all, laws are usually written in blood; you dont regulate something without seeing consequences.
The other supernatural races dont seem to care about Lawbreakers as an abstract thing.
Its more based on what you do.
The time travel one, we dont know why it exists(though Im sure we'll find out).
Nothing says it will break the universe, and I am quite skeptical that the universe would be anywhere like that fragile.
The only thing I've seen so far is Cold Days, where time travel magic was being used to attack Demonreach.
The entire rule against time travel might be specifically to protect Demonreach.
The Blackstaff is empowered to break every Law. He wont do it trivially, but he is allowed to reach beyond the Gates if necessary. And the attack of the Cornerhounds on Dresden and McCoy in Peace Talks has been suggested to have been associated with someone doing time travel; look up the Hounds of Tindalos in the Cthulu mythos.
Besides, Butcher has said that Harry WILL break every single Law by the end of the series.
There's explicitly one book before the end of series trilogy thats going to be all about time travel.
I think thats Mirror, Mirror.
Yes we do. We know that according to Butcher, in the last hundred and fifty years between the late 19th century and the early 21st century, there have been four Wardens: Kemmler, Unknown A, Unknown B, Dresden.
This does not appear to be a role thats left empty for centuries.
No you cannot.
Not when your role as warden involves both potentially imprisoning new inmates, and also the ability to free inmates, both permanently, and on parole as forces in defense of the island and elsewhere.We are explicitly told that post-Cold Days, Dresden spent seven months living on Demonreach learning about the place, the protocols and the controls.
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To be clear, there's probably functions and secrets locked out for day to day use.
But you absolutely will have an operating manual so you know how to use the thing.
Because you dont know when He Who Walks Before or one of his peers will choose to take a daytrip to the Great Lakes.
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Good night guys, see you in the morning as Molly and Co try to help out a depressed fire monster from the dawn of time.
Harry and Butcher's plans are not relevant here. What's relevant is that there are clearly two types of Laws - Laws that arise from "doing this type of magic is corruptive and turns you into a madman" and Laws that arise from "doing this is likely to break the universe". "Seeking beyond Outer Gates" is the latter, and, if done in a significant enough way, Mab or someone else will absolutely stop you, even in complete absence of White Council.
This is not how operating heavy machinery works. A soldier servicing nuclear missiles absolutely does not learn how to make them. They might learn some of the engineering involved, but only some. They don't learn how plutonium is produced, or specifics of how the missile is constructed.
Barriers to entry are barriers to entry, security works better in layers. This sort of thing would be especially helpful if we have a monitoring system and it's set up to be a pain in the ass to break all at once. That way we get an alarm for someone who manages to evade our other detection systems.
It's not unbeatable, but the point is to price them out of the local apocalypse market.
Going to be real fun for Mount Angst over there when he's cured of his face blindness and realizes he's been adopted as a mascot by a goddamn infernal exalt already sprinting down the primordial ascension path.Good night guys, see you in the morning as Molly and Co try to help out a depressed fire monster from the dawn of time.
Or that's how I hope it turns out anyway. I was talking about scrapping it for parts earlier, but it'd be cool if we could get an ancient Rakashoid life form to align with our faction.
That and/or paying him to help the white council with the vampire war. Just imagine the looks on their faces if we show up to the next war council with what's essentially an ancient volcano god willing to cut favorable deals* for sponsored rituals or otherwise mess with the reds.
Sure we're already an angry demon planet work of backup, but a primeval volcano spirit strong enough to feasibly do anything worth mentioning near Demonreach is nothing to turn your nose up at and the Council doesn't seem to have many viable spirit allies of this nature.
* looking at some DF RPG rules for sponsored magic, the big problem with these sort of things are that the debt is really unpleasant even though they can stack on existing magical skills to make even the strongest practitioner even more monstrous as long as they're on theme.
It's understandable that most Wizards wouldn't like engaging in that sort of deal, but if some enterprising person were to say lease a canned miracle to the big spirit on the other side in exchange for juice that would take the direct supernatural debt out of the equation.
I mean, we'd still charge but it would be a contract with the Council at large and not a risk of a big alien spirit messing with your soul if you overdraw your account with them.
Is something like this viable @DragonParadox ?
[X] Back to mortal Chicago, you know where the Great Fire was said to have started and you have at least one name that must have belonged to a local, check that information
-[X] Crown Question using the current scene: What are the rules under which the Embermane's Grace was acquired, is kept and can be released?
I do not mind uju's plan, but I think this question might be more relevant for our current goals and we might have opportunities to ask about Demonreach further down the line.
-[X] Crown Question using the current scene: What are the rules under which the Embermane's Grace was acquired, is kept and can be released?
I do not mind uju's plan, but I think this question might be more relevant for our current goals and we might have opportunities to ask about Demonreach further down the line.
Graces are effectively a way to hack into physics to allow a Rakasha to interact with Creation. They are a tool, that effectively sends dummy information to the Loom so the Rakasha can play in on the Primordial computer. Graces do not correspond to how the Rakasha actually feels, or thinks about anything.
[X] uju32
I don't have the books, but the stuff I see online doesn't seem to support that exactly.
Here's something @Yog posted a while back on how shaped Rakasha come to be:
A Rakasha taking on shape is basically subjecting itself to ego death and building a character for whom those graces are the embodiment of their virtues and personality, the core of which is the heart grace which is replaced by the process of shaping oneself. They just don't care about that the same way a human would because they're about as alien as it's possible to be from a mortal mindset.
The unshaped who made a shaped Rakasha from itself is dead and the person they made cares about whatever they were built to care about as embodied in their new graces.
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Well for this analogy the individual soldier doesn't know, but the Army likely has the schematics somewhere even if higher clearance. Doesn't look like DP shot down the question, so it'd pull from the collective White Council vs just Dresden's head
Records might exist, but whether anyone alive knows anything, or even knows the records exist (or how to access them) is a big question. The analogy is obviously limited, and a better one would probably be Adeptes Custodes operating the Golden Throne (Wh40J reference) or some other example of archeotech.
The island was built using temporal manipulation on a large scale, something that White Council explicitly forbids. Yes, Blackstuff exists, and they acknowledge the need to sometimes use forbidden magic, but the records would definitely be as limited as possible, and the knowledge might not be passed from one active Warden to the other, if the Wardens themselves are normally read into the details of how the island works.
Getting him to burn vampires, seems doable to Molly. Though it would take some doing to get him to understand the Accords and what is and is not allowed for mortals to see.
What about working as our new forge's conceptual fire source? Or producing gossamer for us?
Both seem like they would be doable... though you would have to figure out ethical feeding if you wand gossamer. They do not have it out of thin air.
True. It's a volcano, but simply feeding it virgins is not something Molly would condone. Splendors (Essence-Stoking Spirit) might be a solution, coupled with Mana Maggot Plague.
And having a god / raksha I the form of a volcano, coupled with the forge itself... Why, I believe we only lack true sunlight to start orichalcium production. And that can probably be obtained by rescuing some of the gods Red Court is keeping imprisoned.
Molly needs a warstrider. Chicks dig giant robots, after all.
Not a lot of votes yet.
Would this splendor feature work again?
It would but the innermost nature of this being is rather destructive. Mind you could convince him to move somewhere like the mid-Atlantic ridge where more lava does not hurt anyone, though scientists might be shocked at just how much the mountains are growing.