Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[firefrog600]

It should, as I said secrets about her being kept, not secrets she's keeping. She doesn't need to know them.

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I mean either way its a pretty fucked up question seeing as we could learn fucked up secrets that have nothing to do with a threat she could be and yeah I know we're gonna be off our rockers we probably should have some morals about this though. If we ask the supernatural question at worst we sort of waste a question if we ask about personal questions we could learn what she thought about her parents absence, embarrassing stuff, personal fears, and interests like who she wants to have sex with or what she thinks about certain people.

 

[Yog]

Ok, I'm making my bet: dragonblooded scion.

 

[Valkhir]

If she's dragonblooded related, I am narrowing it down to Air Aspect due to resistance and relation to cold.

 

[XenonPrime]

She could just be a young girl in a gothish phase.

Lots of teenage girls get into that style and occasionally dabble in witchy stuff.
She might literally just be from a traditional family and is pushing her boundaries.

 

[firefrog600]

She could just be a young girl in a gothish phase.

Lots of teenage girls get into that style and occasionally dabble in witchy stuff.
She might literally just be from a traditional family and is pushing her boundaries.

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that is one reason I wanted a question about supernatural elements and if shes not supernatural I don't want to ply into her backstory without her telling us as its just rude mafia kid of not.

 

[zxzx24]

Do we care if shes supernatural?

Shes dating our brother we need to out the screws to her no matter what.

Also our empathy is good if I'm not mistaken. Empathy. 3 dots favored. We can use an excellency to... "determine" her intentions towards our brother.

 

[firefrog600]

Do we care if shes supernatural?

Shes dating our brother we need to out the screws to her no matter what.

Also our empathy is good if I'm not mistaken. Empathy. 3 dots favored. We can use an excellency to... "determine" her intentions towards our brother.

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not exactly it tells us what she is and from there possible motivations also lets us skip bullshit and skirting around and just asking questions. If shes a scion of some kind talk about that, if shes white court talk of the reasonable worry shes gonna turn our brother into a thrall or straight up eat him if its the first time, if shes nothing then shes fine. It lets us skip the investigations though. if shes straight up fae which I doubt we murder her as is the way.

 

[BronzeTongue]

Actual armor is a bad idea, because it reduces our Dex-based dicepools.
Dex is more valuable than soak, so all but the lightest armors are out.

I'm also against ranged weapons, because Molly doesn't have the skills to use them.
Better buy fast-movement Charms and get into melee. Just the combination of having flight and Wind-Born Stride makes it extremly difficult for enemies to avoid being in our melee-range, because we can get nearly anywhere we can see within a moment.

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The problem with that are situations where we can't move too far from or get too close to something and still need to strike at someone. Like our little escort quest.

We're the tankiest player on team good mortals in the city, so this is probably going to come up frequently. How long will it take for someone to decide drawing us away from our allies before killing whoever they can with a sniper rifle is the way to go?

Dangerous ranged combat is too common and important to modern fighting; we simply can't afford to be bad at it even if it's not our focus.

 

[firefrog600]

The problem with that are situations where we can't move too far from or get too close to something and still need to strike at someone. Like our little escort quest.

We're the tankiest player on team good mortals in the city, so this is probably going to come up frequently. How long will it take for someone to decide drawing us away from our allies before killing whoever they can with a sniper rifle is the way to go?

Dangerous ranged combat is too common and important to modern fighting; we simply can't afford to be bad at it even if it's not our focus.

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I mean no we definitely can especially since exalted can move at way past human speeds which we can eventually get to. Also we can do ranged with charms no reason to go into firearms which I'll note can stop working in certain parts of the nevernever.

Edit: spending exp on a conditional weapon which our wizard friends can short circuit if its too advanced, can be unusable in large swathes of the nevernever, and which can be made even less useful when ranged charms exist for valuable exp seems an unwise decision.

 

[Artemis1992]

The problem with that are situations where we can't move too far from or get too close to something and still need to strike at someone. Like our little escort quest.

We're the tankiest player on team good mortals in the city, so this is probably going to come up frequently. How long will it take for someone to decide drawing us away from our allies before killing whoever they can with a sniper rifle is the way to go?

Dangerous ranged combat is too common and important to modern fighting; we simply can't afford to be bad at it even if it's not our focus.

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Better movement also allows us to attack and get back faster

My favorite solution is still the large-area darkness Charm, that should disable all ranged options at need.

 

[uju32]

Gun laws are as in our world, though you do have some stealth charms in Kakuri and you could buy the Ancient Sorcery spell that makes perfect disguises

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Same gun laws? Then no handguns.
She can apply for an FOID in 2-3 months, then build herself an AR or shotgun smartrifle in November when she turns 18 as a couple hours project on the weekend. But she cant carry a Desert Eagle in her car.

Kankuri has charms that prevent criminal prosecution, like Night Swallows Secrets.
And Black Mirror Incarnation to look like someone else.
No actual stealth charms I can see to hide weapon use, and no charms to hide weapon possession.

Although.....air pistols are legal in Illnois.
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QUESTION
1)Can we put a demon in a custom air smartpistol?
2)And would it allow us to modulate the effect up to the range of a normal handgun and down to the nonlethal/less lethal effect of your mundane air pistol?

Because if the answer is yes, she can make her own Desert Eagle and be perfectly legal.

Ok, I'm making my bet: dragonblooded scion.

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Nah.
Unless the QM has changed the rules, they would be living in a Dragons Nest to maximize their chance of Exaltation until they were in their mid 20s. I wouldnt expect to see one here.

You'd be much more likely to run into a teenage Sidereal or Abyssal than a teenage Dragonblooded scion IMO.

 

[Yog]

Unless the QM has changed the rules, they would be living in a Dragons Nest to maximize their chance of Exaltation until they were in their mid 20s. I wouldnt expect to see one here.

You'd be much more likely to run into a teenage Sidereal or Abyssal than a teenage Dragonblooded scion IMO.

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She might not be the child of someone from a dragonblooded family who didn't exalt, but still was part of the family (asset management would make sense). "second generation removed' as it was. Plus, Chicago is actually a big place. We haven't been to her home. For all we know, it is a Dragons Nest.

Teenage abyssal would be hilarious, but I doubt it. A (for now) mortal scion of some bloodline, or maybe of some member of a cult is the most plausible explanation.

And yes, the funniest setup would be if she's supernatural, is actually really into Daniel, and thinks he's a normal mortal, and is hiding her "true self" and "the truth of the world" from him.

 

[DragonParadox]

QUESTION
1)Can we put a demon in a custom air smartpistol?
2)And would it allow us to modulate the effect up to the range of a normal handgun and down to the nonlethal/less lethal effect of your mundane air pistol?

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1. Sure, no reason why that would not work
2. That could be done, but it would be a really hard crafting roll to pull off. If you want a relatively nonlethal gun the easier way to pull it off would be to get a normal gun and rubber bullets. You can still kill someone with that, but only after the bashing has rolled over to lethal which makes them safeish.

 

[Goldfish]

This seems like a fitting big sister type of question.

[X] Lydia's background, see if you can get her to talk about her family more
-[X] Lead into the conversation by asking what attracted her to our dorky baby brother.

 

[Yzarc]

[X] Lydia's background, see if you can get her to talk about her family more
-[X] Lead into the conversation by asking what attracted her to our dorky baby brother.

 

[Wwind]

wow, chat here moves fast. lot of interest.

We arent playing the billionaire genius whose power is in what they make with their hands . We are roleplaying the last scion and inheritor of a dead civilization raised by humble blue collar folk, whose power is in their very nature and in who they know.

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errr... power armor is a thing both in Exalted and in WoD. Hell, Wicked City has Demons of Steel and Violence that are basically cyborgs.
Now, power armor would still be very suspicious and conspicuous, so there is that.
But, if needed, MC could easily make a huge armored robot and animate it with electric devil charms.

Because if the answer is yes, she can make her own Desert Eagle and be perfectly legal.

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why bother?
I would go with sticking electricity demon into stunner. This way you can fire bolts of lightning when needed. Also can be charged by plugging into socket or layline. Electricity demons can draw power from electricity. Just expensive to do that at home. XD

 

[Fehu]

[X] What everyone would like to do tonight

BeepSmile: I'm sure she's perfectly normal... maybe a bit on the spectrum considering her analytical take on hot sauce.
BeepSmile: Not everything is vampires or other gribbles.


[two up dates later]

BeepSmile: *coughs awakrdly*

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Two updates later we decide we have to warn Daniel and his girlfriends' dad; about a potential white court conspiracy. Molly using one of the few essence she has left convinces the mafia mooks to let her pass through to the big boss; barging through the door both Father and daughter is already there with Daniel enthralled. Doh!

Fehu: Wait, this has happened before hasnt it.

Fehu: Once again we direct the MC like a shark towards the final piece of the puzzle. Totally on purpose. 😎

 

[BronzeTongue]

I mean no we definitely can especially since exalted can move at way past human speeds which we can eventually get to. Also we can do ranged with charms no reason to go into firearms which I'll note can stop working in certain parts of the nevernever.

Edit: spending exp on a conditional weapon which our wizard friends can short circuit if its too advanced, can be unusable in large swathes of the nevernever, and which can be made even less useful when ranged charms exist for valuable exp seems an unwise decision.

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Speed charms help, but they're a patch and not a complete solution. If our only answer to combat is to get in someone's face and blend a smart enemy will exploit that.

It takes barely any planning at all to use a predictable response like that to pull us into traps and away from the people we're tanking for.

Ranged charms are an option, but they draw on the same essence pool as everything else and don't seem that efficient with it. Any individual charm would also have limited use cases relative to being able to use different guns at need.

The whole thing with guns not working in parts of the nevernever is something to note, but it hardly ever actually comes up in the series. Those places very rarely become relevant to mortal struggles.

If it's that big of a concern we could just use our bullshit mechanics specialty to make a slightly larger than pistol sized repeating crossbow that doesn't suck. Or just a regular sized one we only carry while on the job.

That'd also deal with the legal issues of owning a gun, since I doubt crossbow ownership is highly regulated. The only stuff I've seen is related to restrictions on the sort you can legally use while hunting.

Better movement also allows us to attack and get back faster

My favorite solution is still the large-area darkness Charm, that should disable all ranged options at need.

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That still doesn't stop us from being pulled out of position by anyone paying attention to how we fight, and a darkness bubble would be a problem for anyone we have with us.

Completely ignoring ranged combat is only workable if we're fighting alone, and even then it's still exploitable.

 

[Valkhir]

I don't agree with ranged combat like that being something we should pursue.

 

[DragonParadox]

wow, chat here moves fast. lot of interest.


errr... power armor is a thing both in Exalted and in WoD. Hell, Wicked City has Demons of Steel and Violence that are basically cyborgs.
Now, power armor would still be very suspicious and conspicuous, so there is that.
But, if needed, MC could easily make a huge armored robot and animate it with electric devil charms.

why bother?
I would go with sticking electricity demon into stunner. This way you can fire bolts of lightning when needed. Also can be charged by plugging into socket or layline. Electricity demons can draw power from electricity. Just expensive to do that at home. XD

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A small note Hollow Mind Possession on its own does not give the device any more demonic enhancements, just an AI. If you want your stunner to shoot bolts of lightning you are going to have to make it a Gadget.

Giving an AI to a gun will help with aiming but you do not need that with a taser as you have melee 5.

 

[uju32]

She might not be the child of someone from a dragonblooded family who didn't exalt, but still was part of the family (asset management would make sense). "second generation removed' as it was. Plus, Chicago is actually a big place. We haven't been to her home. For all we know, it is a Dragons Nest.

Teenage abyssal would be hilarious, but I doubt it. A (for now) mortal scion of some bloodline, or maybe of some member of a cult is the most plausible explanation.

And yes, the funniest setup would be if she's supernatural, is actually really into Daniel, and thinks he's a normal mortal, and is hiding her "true self" and "the truth of the world" from him.

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Not in Chicago, home of the White Court King and occasional doss for multiple Sidhe Court heavyweights .
Where, less than six years ago, there was a major Red Court presence.
And outbreaks of supernatural violence remain appallingly common.

No surviving House would dangle such an appetising niblet in the face of major supernatural predators.
And any that was inclined to try would have moved out after the events of Dead Beat almost vaporized the city.
Too much aggro.

1. Sure, no reason why that would not work
2. That could be done, but it would be a really hard crafting roll to pull off. If you want a relatively nonlethal gun the easier way to pull it off would be to get a normal gun and rubber bullets. You can still kill someone with that, but only after the bashing has rolled over to lethal which makes them safeish.

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1)Okay, if people want a firearm now?
I would suggest getting Hollow Mind Curse by the end of summer vacation and making a smart airpistol, then putting a demon inside. Its legal for her to carry one, and she can make it look however she chooses, even like a proper Desert Eagle.

2)Legality.
A weapon thats only lethal in Molly's hands because she can tell the demon to crank it up beyond its apparent design specs will pass inspection by whatever mundane cop chooses to make trouble for her, without her having to breaking minds.

Else she could just stick to stunts to avoid killing people when she wants. Because Exalted bullshit.

And well, extended Craft roll.
Instead of whipping it up in an afternoon like with a fairly conventional gun, let it take some time to make. A couple weeks, a month, maybe even two.

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Of course, she could always just make a coilgun. Magically improved material science goes a long way in letting her bullshit stuff.

 

[Yog]

I would go with sticking electricity demon into stunner. This way you can fire bolts of lightning when needed. Also can be charged by plugging into socket or layline. Electricity demons can draw power from electricity. Just expensive to do that at home. XD

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Handheld laser weapons or pulsed energy projectile weaponry is only held back by the lack of power supplies. If we can sort that through magic, we are golden. And it would honestly be more sturdy to techbane than a normal gun due to lack of moving parts.

 

[firefrog600]

still costs exp and we will never be good at everything so better to go for different complementary things instead of being just decent in a fuck ton of things.

 

[BronzeTongue]

I don't agree with ranged combat like that being something we should pursue.

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Then what's the solution for a situation where someone pins us between two groups of gunmen, possibly with another sniper involved?

If we're alone then we can run around as we please, but no matter how fast we are we can't at be everywhere at once and they still get to take their actions.

If we need to tank for someone squishier than us we can't leave to kill people with our sword because the ones on the opposite side will shoot our allies while we're not around to deflect bullets.

That's a pretty extreme example, but it's the sort of situation I'd be trying to engineer if I was attempting to get around an infernal built like Molly. That and get her to charge toward my guys straight into some IEDs, or AoE effects like mordite. Though that last can't exactly be solved with guns.

We shouldn't build for being a ranged specialist, but some minimal options so we have tools to use when someone tries to screw with us are too important to ignore.

Once we've actually built a reputation people will start reacting to it, so serious opposition will just get better and better at exploiting holes in our combat skill set.

 

[firefrog600]

Then what's the solution for a situation where someone pins us between two groups of gunmen, possibly with another sniper involved?

If we're alone then we can run around as we please, but no matter how fast we are we can't at be everywhere at once and they still get to take their actions.

If we need to tank for someone squishier than us we can't leave to kill people with our sword because the ones on the opposite side will shoot our allies while we're not around to deflect bullets.

That's a pretty extreme example, but it's the sort of situation I'd be trying to engineer if I was attempting to get around an infernal built like Molly. That and get her to charge toward my guys straight into some IEDs, or AoE effects like mordite. Though that last can't exactly be solved with guns.

We shouldn't build for being a ranged specialist, but some minimal options so we have tools to use when someone tries to screw with us are too important to ignore.

Once we've actually built a reputation people will start reacting to it, so serious opposition will just get better and better at exploiting holes in our combat skill set.

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in fairness even a fair few people don't know the exact mechanics of how dresden fights all the time. Also we're exalted we have far far more ways to fight then dresden ever will predicting us is almost impossible.