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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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uju32 said:
Beings of the Wicked City can already use many ways to come to Earth if they have Mikaboshi's permission.
Mikaboshi himself allegedly shows up on Earth at will.
I dont think that changes anything.

Anyone trying to pass through the Gate is going to have to go past Molly in shintai.
That rather limits who is willing to pass. Especially since they dont know if she has anything anchored in the spell.
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Just using the vote text. I assume that @DragonParadox is saying that there is in fact some different between using Calibration Gate and Open the way.
 
Yog said:
The turn after the next. The next one we already have our hands full. Like completely full:

Obligations:
School
Getting Rosie new home
Crafting for Archive (might be connected to crafting for ourselves)

Things we need to do:
Handle solar exaltation one way or another
Handle White Council traitors - that's a festering wound
Handle Lydia getting her dog. I rather she didn't just get a mundane dog, and we were told she'll be doing this anyway if we don't go with her. This is a good opportunity to start handling her ancestry and legacy.

The turn after this one, however? Yeah, I'm all for this.
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Alright then. Hey @DragonParadox can we get Lydia a Edit: Silvan herd dog? You know a potential Dragon/Zmaj?

Dmol8 said:
There are four very different words that all translate into dragon. Their Serbian versions are: Zmaj, Ala, Aždaha/Aždaja and Lamja. Shapeshifters one and all. in Balkan Slavic mythologies Dragons start out as either snakes or carps (Croatians also believe wels catfish can do this too) that then "reveal their legs" after around 10/12/30/33/40/50/100 years and become adult Dragons. So juvenile Dragons look just like snakes/carps and then undergo a metamorphosis into adult dragons. Or they are especially powerful Silvan herd dogs that become a zmaj trough the nobility of their spirit and the endurance of their loyalty.

Zmajevi (plural of zmaj) are the good, noble dragons. Think metallic dragons from DnD in character, but the appearance of either the stereotypical fantasy dragon or a flaming bird with a snake's tail. There are no half-dragons/polu-zmajevi with humans. Any child born from a union of a zmaj and a human woman is human and also a hero while any child born of a union of a human man and a zmaj is a zmaj. The pregnancy with a zmaj child is difficult for a human woman, lasts 15-20 months and the birth can kill them. Zmaj is treated as gender neutral, but I've never heard someone say zmaj man/male, but I have heard of people saying zmaj woman/female as a descriptor of a woman's fierceness or other such "male" qualities.
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Or would that run counter to the Purpose Lydia wants a dog for?

Also good grief I still haven't done a post about Banes or Usud yet. Shit. I don't know when I'll be able to get around to that, but it is still in the works.

Edit: Silvan not Sylvan. Good grief that is an embarrassing type-o to make. I blame playing Heroes of Might and Magic.
 
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uju32 said:
Yes? You dont need exalted crafting to make spirits in the Dresdenverse.
But the lack of Exalted crafting meant that meant we had no control over what abilities they would come with. We essentally rolled the dice.
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And exalted crafting is a qualitative advantage that is almost impossible to bridge with dice. We got discounts for crafting charm by rolling 20+ dice in mortal craft. Meaning that 20+ mortal craft is starting to touch exalted craft.
uju32 said:
That is just not true.
For example, Lash is literally the first Demon on Earth. WoD is awash in Earthbound and Demons, and has had Earthbound around since pre-history; the Dresdenverse version of Earthbound only showed up after the crucifixion of Christ.
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I find your position infuriatingly inconsistent. You constantly argue how exalted or even primordials are not anywhere near the top of the powerscale, where beings like Uriel are far beyond Ligier, etc, yet now you argue that large quantities of such beings being active (even in restricted by politics forms) doesn't mean that the world is in higher energy state.

I disagree with both of these theses by the way. The reality is more powerful than WoD because it's not consensus driven. By default thi means that it's less frayed at the edges. The world is closer to the glories of Creation. Maybe "higher energy state" is not the best description, but it's closer to Creation than WoD. It should be able to support manses working.
uju32 said:
I dont at all agree, and I've given my reasons why.
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We'll have to agree to disagree because I am not convinced.
Dmol8 said:
Alright then. Hey @DragonParadox can we get Lydia a Sylvan herd dog? You know a potential Dragon/Zmaj?
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Lydia's father has his own mythological dogs. Cŵn Annwn. We should at least try to get one of those.
 
Dmol8 said:
Alright then. Hey @DragonParadox can we get Lydia a Sylvan herd dog? You know a potential Dragon/Zmaj?



Or would that run counter to the Purpose Lydia wants a dog for?

Also good grief I still haven't done a post about Banes or Usud yet. Shit. I don't know when I'll be able to get around to that, but it is still in the works.
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She is trying to get a dog since she got a dog enhancing charm. Not that she would mind a dragon of course, but that is not what she is looking for at the moment.
 
[X] Lydia tries to Open the Way, bearing just the people in this workshop with her. (Mikaboshi may contest this)
-[X] Tiffany boosts Lydia's perception to 10
-[X] Lydia uses Willpower for additional success

Oh yes, it was wonderful. Good fight, we haven't lost too many resources other than our will...Everything is going great. Now just escape from here and we are almost done with this arc.
 
Yog said:
Lydia's father has his own mythological dogs. Cŵn Annwn. We should at least try to get one of those.
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Having read that article those dogs sound like they are Summer aligned. Did we already have the discussion of where we could find them in quest and I missed it?
 
Goldfish said:
It would be cool if we could get her a puppy from Mouse's family.
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Temple dogs are very rare.
Which was why the person who stole Mouse's litter went all the way to Tibet to steal them, and the temple sent a monk all the way to Chicago to get them back.

As in, on their first meeting, Nicodemus Archleone flinched away from him, and his shadow Anduriel moved between them to keep Mouse away from him. Dude is a Very Big Deal.
BoredMan said:
Not in this Quest according to DP the Yomi kings can't just leave as they will.
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Can you refresh my memory on that statement?
Because my recollection is that they can leave at will; they are just much less powerful outside their Hell than they are inside it.
 
Yog said:
It used security through obscurity. That's gone. And active defenses of the container statue are also almost gone. It's not safe. This is one thing I am not prepared to compromise about, because solars and abyssals are dangerous.
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Uhn... can you tell me where this happened or where this was said? We know well because we talk to the statue and reason, but the exaltation never moved from where it was because we ended the danger so I don't see why others would think anything other than it being a magical statue. Some power of solar taste (which is no secret to anyone who pays attention and never has been) was not found in previous millennia. Now if we were seen to be intensely focused on this statue then others might wonder what is so special about it.

fictionfan said:
Not exactly sure what you are trying to say, but what I am trying to say is that Mikaboshi invading Earth is a bit more difficult than just getting a wizard to open a portal from him. Earth has protections*. Protections which the Calibration Gate completely ignores.

*Likely imposed by the White God or the Agust Personage in Jade.
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That doesn't actually exist, Mikaboshi can enter reality without any problems, his problem is that doing so is also conceptually equivalent to dragging the entire Wicked City along with him and that wouldn't be quick or subtle.

The true protection that the earth has is that everyone else, equally powerful, who has some interest in this planet would not stand by and would interfere.
 
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uju32 said:
Temple dogs are very rare.
Which was why the person who stole Mouse's litter went all the way to Tibet to steal them, and the temple sent a monk all the way to Chicago to get them back.

As in, on their first meeting, Nicodemus Archleone flinched away from him, and his shadow Anduriel moved between them to keep Mouse away from him. Dude is a Very Big Deal.
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Sounds like we should take a trip to Tibet soon.
 
uju32 said:
Can you refresh my memory on that statement?
Because my recollection is that they can leave at will; they are just much less powerful outside their Hell than they are inside it.
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I actually had this ruling bookmarked.

DragonParadox said:
As a note, the Yama Kings cannot just show up, they are bound to their realms. Mikaboshi is the Wicked City a way that is not shared by say the Fey. When he moves he has to do so by dragging the city of namelessness and alienation with him like a grey cloak. He basically needs someone to crack the Veil for him and it would have to be a rather large crack.
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Dmol8 said:
Having read that article those dogs sound like they are Summer aligned. Did we already have the discussion of where we could find them in quest and I missed it?
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We didn't, no. As far as I know we don't know what happened to Arawn's kingdom, its denizens and such. It might have been sold off to Winter, but I doubt it strongly. This (getting the dog) is my attempt to start slowly pulling on that plot thread. We'll need to do some investigation, and probably use a crown to locate such a dog (or maybe a descendant of one, like how Mouse is a temple dog, who are descendants of proper celestial lions).
Azais said:
Uhn... can you tell me where this happened or where this was said? We know well because we talk to the statue and reason, but the exaltation never moved from where it was because we ended the danger so I don't see why others would think anything other than it being a magical statue. Some power of solar taste (which is no secret to anyone who pays attention and never has been) was not found in previous millennia. Now if we were seen to be intensely focused on this statue then others might wonder what is so special about it.
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Black Court already made an attempt to steal it. Yes, we stopped the agent uniquely suited to do so, but they already know, already made an attempt, and will likely try again. In addition to Black Court, others will be investigating cult of Ra Descending because they were quite involved in the whole Dragon fiasco and are part of the new alliance in Las Vegas. So, even if not completely gone, the obscurity defense is very strongly diminished.

EDIT: Soiar exaltations are the supernatural superweapons. There's nothing quite like them. I do not consider the defenses this one has sufficient at all.
 
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Azais said:
That doesn't actually exist, Mikaboshi can enter reality without any problems, his problem is that doing so is also conceptually equivalent to dragging the entire Wicked City along with him and that wouldn't be quick or subtle.
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Ah so the problem might be that our Calibration Gate cosmic alignment might allow him to drag the wicked city onto Earth?
 
BoredMan said:
Wait do we actually know why he was there? Could be confirmation bias here.
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We know he was there for the statue. Whether he knew about the exaltation is unknown. But Black Court are creations and servants of an active Neverborn, and are the people most likely to know about abyssals and solars. I am not willing to risk it.
 
fictionfan said:
Ah so the problem might be that our Calibration Gate cosmic alignment might allow him to drag the wicked city onto Earth?
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He would be trying to push against us though as well so maybe he could attempt to do that but that would place our shintai Hell overlap against him trying to push the Wicked City into the real world so a firm Maybe. Though that would kind of imply that he's willing muscle his way into a mysterious portal that could disappear at any second which seems not like a great tactical move and also possibly a really stupid way to die if it goes poorly. When your enemy is retreating and you have no way of stopping them maybe just let them go rather than put yourself in immediate possibly deathly Danger trying to chase them especially when you can have a bunch of minions chase them into that even if you know those minions probably aren't coming back.
 
BoredMan said:
Not saying your wrong but I don't recall us figuring that out. Where is this coming from?
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When we asked a question about the Perfected Principle of Consumption we were led to the black Court. So they have at least one active never born affiliation and I think we got more on that when we investigated something but that's the only one I remember but I'm pretty sure there's more than that.
 
fictionfan said:
Ah so the problem might be that our Calibration Gate cosmic alignment might allow him to drag the wicked city onto Earth?
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No, Mikaboshi will never enter through that strange gate summoned by the enemy who feels terribly similar to his peer for the 3 minute period, his servants on the other hand....

But seriously, the real problem is that if he leaves his kingdom he stops being immortal as well as lost his Celestine level power and the Earth has many, many beings that would love to kill him, many of Methuselah and Incarna level.
 
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