Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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No? We know for a fact mab start an ice age if she wanted like in wog's. Power levels don't really matter much in dresden files mind you since things often operate on silver bullet rules and there always being bigger fishes who none the less have less freedom to act.
 
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Do exalted or WoD do typed bonuses? I don't really see anything about it, but the dnd approach seems fair for peer magic like that.

No stacking say the magic version of nitro boosts, but a tool that you can "paint" a spell pattern into and set it to cast it with you later so you don't need to hold as much in your head at once for example wouldn't functionally overlap.

Not exactly, we didn't get an age for it directly. What he did was still pretty bullshit though. He used time travel to build the whole thing at once in 5 different (presumably synergistic) ways at the same time.

I'm not saying he wasn't bullshit, but he was still a mortal wizard who got a leg up with training from Odin. He had great talent, but nothing he did was in principle impossible for any other wizard to replicate.


From the wiki it would kill them with banefire.
That he needs a huge magic bomb engineered into a construct instead of killing them directly, and that it would have such awful collateral, implies he couldn't make it work in a fight though.

At a guess it's because Dresden Files true immortals cannot be killed outside of Halloween, they'll just come back regardless of what you do. Even if you do kill them then their mantle will probably bond to another host unless the killer does stuff to it.

We know that Merlin was using time magic, so it wouldn't surprise me if he somehow twisted it so that the stasis traps prisoners in a frozen moment stolen from Halloween.



No seriously, Ethniu was explicitly operating on a timer till the white god nerfed her into the ground. That was the win condition of the fight.
For just doing things mortals can do ehhh we've not seen any mortal wizard with comparable feats to the original merlin. For God is bigger I doubt it. Its pretty explicit the world can end in dresden files and that God won't stop the world from ending if its a result of free will or some such nonsense.
 
No? We know for a fact mab start an ice age if she wanted like in wog's. Power levels don't really matter much in dresden files mind you since things often operate on silver bullet rules and there always being bigger fishes who none the less have less freedom to act.
I think taking a statment and then extrapolating it is bad. How exactly will she cause a ice age.

Because by that logic we, humans, can do it too, just need to cause a nuclear winter or the opposite in global warming.

Doees that mean we we are equal to mab.

Causing a iceage in amssive ritual invoking the entire court is massively different than doing it by waving her hand.
For just doing things mortals can do ehhh we've not seen any mortal wizard with comparable feats to the original merlin. For God is bigger I doubt it. Its pretty explicit the world can end in dresden files and that God won't stop the world from ending if its a result of free will or some such nonsense.
Its cause wizards aren't allowed to use time magic, no lack ability there.
 
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I think taking a statment and then extrapolating it is bad. How exactly will she cause a ice age.

Because by that logic we, humans, can do it too, just need to cause a nuclear winter or the opposite in global warming.

Doees that mean we we are equal to mab.

Causing a iceage in amssive ritual invoking the entire court is massively different than doing it by waving her hand.
uh it doesn't take the entire court but its probably take her like a personal ritual. If we're talking about canon we've been told a dragon could just destroy the world if it didn't deprive them the place their living in too apparently. I'm kinda annoyed that people won't just take this shit at face value the reason its not been used is cause you know it'd kill most people. Fuck bob a spirit of intellect personally agrees angels can destroy galaxies their literally incapable of lying and see reality in far more ways than a mortal would. Why the fuck they'd be wrong about that I don't know. Then we've got wog's about the powers of angels or queens and such and people repeatedly have to question everything. Its a fictional fucking setting if a writer says something works a certain way why can't we just accept that? She can cause an ice age and summer can cause shit like desertification I'm fairly sure. The mothers straight up destabilize reality if they enter well reality.

I mean nicodemus isn't anywhere near their power but hes had like what was it two rituals that would of caused the deaths of like a billion+ people if harry didn't stop him? Mab can do the same if just given some time its not like said ritual would of helped her at any point against any of her enemies mind you. Causing an ice age isn't really helpful for her goals or defeating actually powerful enemies after all.
 
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I think taking a statment and then extrapolating it is bad. How exactly will she cause a ice age.

Because by that logic we, humans, can do it too, just need to cause a nuclear winter or the opposite in global warming.

Doees that mean we we are equal to mab.

Causing a iceage in amssive ritual invoking the entire court is massively different than doing it by waving her hand.

Its cause wizards aren't allowed to use time magic, no lack ability there.
I'm not sure it was just time mind you given merlin may of been way mentally older than they appeared or something due to time travel. But, like building demonreach parts even with time magic probably isn't easy. Also you know time magic probably has consequences if your not really fucking good at it.

Also do you think the average wizard if they dabbled in time stuff could do it?
 
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I think the point is, we do not know.

Just because she CAN do it does not mean she can reasonably do it without effort.
Its probably a fair assumption that it doesn't require the entire court and a grand sacrifice. I generally assume it'd take her like a day or less and you know it wouldn't be a good idea for obvious reasons.
 
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Based on what is the point being made. You are literally making it up.
Fair enough but I think its a fair assumption based on the fact we've seen several things that could enable global change either in story or by word of god. It doesn't seem all that rare in the dresden files for such things to exist.

The mothers damage reality just by being in it. Butcher says the mothers are more on scale with certain mythological gods. Suggesting there's other shit with that kind of power. Dragons can apparently destroy the planet if they didn't have the problem its where they live. Archangels can blow up galaxies and even foot soldiers are on a scale above figures like Mab (in canon that is) over all it just doesn't seem a big deal for the setting. I mean even nicodemus can do worldwide shit with the right planning and rituals.
 
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Fair enough but I think its a fair assumption based on the fact we've seen several things that could enable global change either in story or by word of god. It doesn't seem all that rare in the dresden files for such things to exist.
There have been arguments on this, where she was told to be a tactical genius and one poster, BronzeTongue (I think) pointed out how she was not even aware of tactics like dodging (I think the eye of Belor argument).

So forgive me for not taking her too seriously. WOG are useful but if it is not SHOWN and not TOLD in the book, it did not happen. Wilbrow ruined WoGs for me.
 
There have been arguments on this, where she was told to be a tactical genius and one poster, BronzeTongue (I think) pointed out how she was not even aware of tactics like dodging (I think the eye of Belor argument).

So forgive me for not taking her too seriously. WOG are useful but if it is not in the book, it did not happen. Wilbrow ruined WoGs for me.
Oh fuck off with the if its not in the books its not canon. They've at least said they can do said things in story and the fucking spirit of intelligence corroborates it. Its like saying pics or it didn't happen well its not gonna fucking happen so it can't be fucking proven with that logic. I'm fucking tired of this stupid shit if an author says somethings true unless they directly contradict previous wog's then just fucking accept it. Not counting special circumstances like for example we're told the laws of magic are there for more than politics and breaking certain ones can have mental consequences with the blackstaff being an exception (with their own consequences) to the general rules.

Also no need to take her seriously just cause she can cause an ice age doesn't mean much when its not useful for jack shit in any situation other than fucking everyone and herself over.

Edit: Seriously by this logic I can say God doesn't exist in the dresden files cause hes never shown up and hes probably not a big deal or anything the angels are obviously just alien roleplayers pretending to be galaxy level cause their chuuni and shit.
 
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Like no need to take it too seriously but at least believe the god damn author. Like just to add on to the silliness butcher has basically said straight up star wars would exist in his multiverse. Not in the nevernever his multiverse. Heck when asked if why is earth the most important place in the universe in his fic he basically said its the most important place in this universe.
 
There is a difference between showing and telling. I do want to say more on this but I think I will leave it as is.
He literally can't show without destroying his setting so its always going to be this conversation repeated over and over because people can't just fucking accept his and his characters words on anything.
 
Like he said the white god created the world are we gonna doubt that simply because we didn't see it? The spirit of intelligence has said archangels can blow up galaxies and figures like Mab can cause worldwide weather affects like Ice ages? Like you think the literal spirit of intelligence just believed the hype on face value and started spreading it? They don't even believe in free will because they can't analyze it as its not something they can see. You think they'd take galaxy blowing up power at face value?

Like as for power we know senior council members could like do shit like do a little meteor show or cause volcanoes to erupt. Eldest gruff a servant of Titania has senior council sashes or whatever on their belt. Titania is a lot stronger than eldest gruff and an equal to Mab.
 
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What if she isn't interested in that stuff? Lol best not to get too many ideas of what she should be doing before she can even talk.
I was thinking it'd be hard even for us quite honestly to hit that level not impossible. Would just need to break the normal limit of an exalted vs wod game and make custom shit. Though talk about parental expectations first we want them to have 5 in their attributes by 1, by 16 we want them to equal to merlin, by 18 do we want them to fight God?
 
Answers and replies later today when stuff slows down a little and I can get at my books.


1407 N Hoyne Ave, Chicago, IL 60622
9/18/2007Sold $2,466,250 built in 1885 should be on the market. A old home with strong threshold with land included to build mystical installations and room inside for a great library and alchemy lab and multiple people to just live inside of it.
Point of order:
The age of the house has nothing to do with the threshold. The threshold is determined by the family living there and the duration they have been doing so. A multi-generational home that has been continuously occupied for decades is going to have bank vault-strength thresholds; a single bachelor/spinster flat is much less secure.

Not that it matters, because we are going to be warding wherever we move to at Fort Knox-levels.

I personally dont like the look of that particular house, but the fundamental idea is sound.
An expensive 500k - 2 million dollar mortgage is 10% down and then payments staggered over 30 years.
Molly can afford to drop 200k on one and then pay off the rest of the mortgage by mid-year after we do the lottery thing.



VOTE
[X] In two months, what Jared would prefer from what Rosie overheard

RATIONALE
Split the difference.
Letting her mother help her with her grandchild might help with bridging some of the gap between them.

This also allows Rosie to be involved in actually choosing and furnishing whatever house we are moving her to, giving her some agency in the process; it usually takes a couple weeks at a minimum to conclude a house sale. Spend February picking out a place with her and buying it, then March furnishing and checking it over before moving in.

Furthermore, the additional time gives us the time to ward the place properly and install any security measures necessary.
Which gives her the opportunity to meet some Cauldron members.
 
[Increase and decrease in radiance, Solar Object]
[Increase and decrease in radiance, Solar Object]
[I desire to determine your nature/material]
[At vast distance to Creation's stellar positioning]
So, I tried having a go at it. Surprisingly, I think I got quite close to a proper lullaby for a young sidereal-to-be"

[Signal, signal Young Guide of Fate]
[I desire knowledge of your nature]
[At coordinates]
[Similar to elemental Pole of Earth]

[Should the Sun not Rise]
[Should the Sun not Rise]
[Auspicious Prospects you'll reveal]
[Signal, signal Young Guide of Fate]

[Then the Traveler through the Wyld]
[Expresses gratitude for your guidance]
[She would be lost]
[Without your signal]

[You remain observed from Creation]
[And often signal me]
[As you keep your Workings]
[Until the Sun will Rise Again]

[As your shard of Fate]
[Guides the Traveler through the Wyld]
[Even if I am not aware of your nature]
[Signal, signal Young Guide of Fate]


Reasoning:
Young Guide of Fate = Little Star. Stars are made to guide people, they are for astrology. Thus, they are guides of Fate.
Should the Sun not RIse - I couldn't not use that, since it's a canonic charm.

Halfway through writing this turned into this weird prophecy-like song.
 
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