Thank you for the clarification.
This was how this exchange began back on Monday:
Perhaps it was lost in the to-and-fro, but I thought I was pretty clear about it.
My apologies for any confusion.
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My apologies for any confusion.
Probably going to get exciting for them when the Summer fey get squirrelly. Nemesis isn't lightly discussed, so they're going to get rumors from terrified fey that directly talk about what happened to Iku but ominously refuse to engage on our nominal public motivation for being there.
They might talk about the splendor we gave Lilly though, since it's only subtle to mortals:
That thing should basically glow with power to them.
As it turns out we were doing something important to reality's ongoing war of survival, but I wouldn't blame them for looking at fey talking about killing gods and exchanging powerful artifacts for unknown favors from fey queens and assuming the part they are dead silent on are worse.
It's probably less a real scent and more supernatural sense that registers to their brains as a smell. The descriptions they gave for Molly doesn't really fit as something physical.
Wizard. They love secrets even more than we do.
Specifically to address this, I'll share one design from my notes:
BRASS PACK
Canine-Fomarch
Canine-Fomarch
Fomarchs are a next-generation experiment in "elite" fomori. Pentex designed fomarchs to have fully concealable powers. Each fomarch has, at minimum, the Bestial Mutation power. They should work as solo operatives, or with backup from "normal" fomori. To be considered a success, a fomarch must be free of any drawbacks that severely curtail its life-expectancy, must have powers at least on par with a Ferectoi, must be able to completely conceal its powers by adopting an outwardly-human guise, and must be at least functionally sane. Pentex has attempted a number of methods to create fomarchs, experimenting with multi-Bane possession, binding of exceedingly mighty Banes into hosts, and even with mystic and genetic augmentation of standard fomori. The majority of these experiments have created deformed, hulking failures, which become as fodder for the front lines or the vivisection tables, but each success helps the company zero in on a reliable method to augment its forces with elite special operatives and mighty leaders, at least, so Pentex hopes.
A handful of fomarchs is detailed below; each considered a success by Pentex. All fomarchs are, to date, unique. Pentex has yet to devise a method of reliably creating fomarch "breeds."
A handful of fomarchs is detailed below; each considered a success by Pentex. All fomarchs are, to date, unique. Pentex has yet to devise a method of reliably creating fomarch "breeds."
FURTHER NOTES
Elite fomor results of Inner Devils Unleashed on a dog.
Originally built as additional low-key security for the Carpenter family, but it would serve for Rosie as well.
Built along themes, not to maximize capabilities.
A bodyguard dog with almost twice the lethal soak of a mortal in full plate armor.
Which is also resistant to mind fuckery, poisons and environmental hazards, and can regenerate damage in combat time, but with the ability to remain inconspicuous as necessary and never lose track of its charge, along with decreased need for sleep, supernaturally acute perception and the ability to talk to animals and spirits.
In the event of danger, it can ignore wound penalties, grab people telekinetically and run away across water, infirm surfaces or up walls at car speeds, deflect incoming projectiles, and heal the person its guarding of damage.
It also gets a short-range pistol-class(6L, 30 range) ranged attack to dissuade pursuit.
But principally, its job is to get its principal out of danger and run away.
And to that end its not meant to be too tough; its resilient, but not designed to go mano a mano against upper tier supernatural foes. Thats what the protagonist is for.
And other designs of fomor.
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They aren't even wrong yet. They're undecided on us, and want to know more so that they can make a decision.
Probably, but if anything could manage it, then that would be it.
The way they're talking does have a notable negative bias to it. They haven't technically decided, but it seems like they have a clear expectation they're just looking for evidence to fill. Which the Summer stuff might end up being for them. It's annoying, but not necessarily a huge deal. We have contacts in the community in part for this reason. Poisoning our reputation further than our general vibe already does shouldn't be easy for them, and they aren't the types to attack us in ways where being a really smart wolf would be dangerous to out operations.
It would be nice to change their minds though. They're very effective for the level of power they have and know the community well. If we could get them on side they'd be a great partner to have for the paranet. Especially if their tradition offers lower barriers to entry in exchange for exclusivity, which it sort of looks like it does in canon. That could be an effective way to set up security forces as it grows; plant new werewolf packs wherever the paranet grows to.
Also makes me wonder the FCF have any traditions like this. Are there people who can turn into exotic but not magical murder beasts running around?
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Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I'm surprised they haven't run into or seem to have heard of Molly's operation in Last Station.
Last Station is sort of a pimple on the ass end of nowhere.
The least difficult and dangerous access point up until recently was going through the basement of a mafia smuggling operation run by the biggest organized crime syndicate in the city.
Even then you've still got to go past the point even people who live in undertown think is out of the way. We basically operate out of where the dregs of the dregs usually lived. The alphas fight those guys, they don't network with them.
They might have heard that something weird and potentially nasty is going on down there, but going to poke that sort of thing is very dangerous.
On the topic of the community though, we're probably going to need to talk to the Ordo again soon. Hopefully we won't need to after every major thing, but we did just very publicly get involved with global powers in shady business for the first time they're aware of.
Fair enough.
The smell does imply that one of them got close enough to get a good look at Molly.
And we didnt notice.
The way they were talking suggests unexpected gaps in their knowledgebase.
They were involved in the Loup-Garou case(Fool Moon), the Summer-Winter War(Summer Knight) and Jenny Greenteeth got killed at Billy and Georgia's wedding(Something Borrowed).
And they were peripherally involved in Dead Beat.
That means they know Murphy personally(she was at Billy and Georgia's apartment in Summer Knight after injuring her leg), and are personal acquaintances of Summer Lady Lily and Summer Knight Fix, and annoyed Maeve enough she chose to fuck with them. Both Mab and Titania know them.
They have come to the notice of an uncomfortably large number of influential people for such a low-power group
Which makes it strange that they dont know Michael Carpenter, whether personally or by hearsay.
Especially if they are going around shaking the bushes among the Fae community.
And if Olivia heard about the Merlin rolling into town to meet Molly, Im a little surprised they didnt, and that none of their contacts dropped that bit of juicy gossip.
Especially since they were willing to talk about the much quieter murderification of the Will of Kakuri.
I have to wonder who framed it to them in quite that way.
That said, yes, hooking them up with Cauldron would do a fair bit for both sides.
Billy and the Wolves were the principal local direct action arm for the Chicago Alliance back when Dresden was dead and absent in Ghost Story, and the formori were throwing their weight around.
And while we can empower formachs as well to bulk that out, an organic tradition with some organized combat capabilities would probably help as well.
And the talents would be able to cover them with intel and buff/protective support.
Last Station is well out of the way, and in Undertown, which is a rather perilous place to be.
Noone who has any alternatives goes to Undertown; as far as Im aware, Billy has been to Undertown once, in Dresden's company when guided by a pixie. First place he met Maeve and Jenny.
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- Germany
I reallly don't think we can make something on the level of Formarchs without going through a long process of refining our Formori-making skills (we haven't even bought the base Charm yet), or working together with something like the Formor who do have experience in making better monsters.
By default, we make regular members of the Freak Legions, with their 3-5 powers that are vaguely thematic, not pre-defined in creation.
Or the special variant of awakening P'o to allow for Demon Arts that DP allowed.
By default, we make regular members of the Freak Legions, with their 3-5 powers that are vaguely thematic, not pre-defined in creation.
Or the special variant of awakening P'o to allow for Demon Arts that DP allowed.
Our perception isn't the greatest, and investment in that isn't exactly high*.
Not sure when we'll actually have room for it in the exp budget, so my preference would be to try setting aside time for building multiple faster build support items.
Like glasses that highlight magic to provide a decent dice boost, or maybe a mood ring that displays the emotional context and intensity of attention focused on Molly as a more narrative tool for flagging watchers.
With the right flaw management and mechanics choice for the latter I think we could design something with 3 dot power at a 2 dot price.
* I've definitely contributed to that, and would make the same choices again, but it's still worth acknowledging the trade off.
To be fair, attention doesn't mean they're actually given consideration. To get what they did they had to pin one down in the middle of some game it was playing.
The more surprising thing to me is that they haven't asked someone among the minor talents who can identify Molly as an Ordo member. The alphas don't work with them, but they do have overlapping networks in some places.
They also did seem aware of Micheal, but they clearly relied on Dresden for their introduction to the broader details of the supernatural and some of them are retroactively questioning him:
We did not go through a long process of refining our Crafting skills in order to make the 5-dot Arcana that formed the basis for Lash's current body. Or in order to make the household god guarding Helen Beckitt's place.
Or to finish rebuilding Last Station to its current state.
We have done much more impressive things. Recently, even.
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That's mostly within the boundaries of the crafting system I think.
Meanwhile the ability to make reliable Formori is something Holden very explicitly says is not available to our Charms.
If I wanted to make reliable Formori, I'd probably come at it from the direction of using our Hell's existing expertise with augmentation combined with Latter Day Devil Implants?
Ultimatly I think the difference between the 3-5 powers of a regular Formori and 27 plus extra merits is far too huge to be justified without additional investment.
Your creation has more GIfts than a starting PC from Werewolf. Those Werewolves that are supposed to go through 99% of Formori like a hot knife through butter.
We definitely need to buy up Alertness/Awareness 3.
My current preference in Perception boosters would be something that allowed Hellscry Chakra to expand its purview to non-Creatures of Darkness.
The werewolves have been known to have been operating in the University area since the events of Fool Moon, which was around six years ago according to the timeline.
So anyone supernatural who went poking the University population has to have known they would run into them.
Which is why, when you drew my attention to it, my immediate suspicion was someone was attempting some sort of roundabout probe here by doing something that the werewolves would be certain to respond to.
Hell, I have to wonder if they confirmed that the satyr fellow was even Winter Fae.
May be paranoia, but not unwarranted.
There's a statement from him somewhere I'm still trying to find where he basically lays out that infernal fomori are supposed to be their weird mutant goons. Even if the (IC) rare well built fomor in WoD can be powerful I'm still not convinced we're supposed to be able to make things stronger than goons using that system.
Yeah, but the exp buy is always going to be contentious and there are more valuable options available even if this gap is a problem. Filling holes like this is a major advantage of being able to craft in the first place.
If they are it's either a stupid plan, someone high up in winter, or both. Too many moving parts, many of which are out of their control.
Suppose you did want to play this game; minimum buy in is to insulate them entirely from sources of information you don't control without being obvious about it. Second you get caught the situation spirals out of control as they either successfully contact Dresden or go ominously silent and catch his attention that way. They're his regular dnd group, he's going to notice if you have to do cleanup.
That's a lot of effort and risk for little reward.
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Or we can have Lash flesh craft us peak human eyes and ears. She seems likely to offer once she finishes fixing her own body up.
Holden's Crafting system also is the one that made DP ban this feature.
Twisted Horror Curse (3 pt. Root Element)
The Splendor twists its targets into monsters. Roll Intelligence + Intimidation against difficulty
(10 – Splendor's rating) when this curse strikes at a valid individual. They suffer a cosmetic
transformation and gain one Aspect per success, which may be chosen freely from among Lunar,
Infernal, or Nightmare Aspects.
As an Adornment, Twisted Horror Curse's target is its user. She always gains a number of
Aspects equal to the Splendor's rating, and they are always the same Aspects.
As a Fascination, the Splendor's owner may set a priority order for Aspects, may impose a
general theme and leave the details up to chance, or may permit those transformed to do so
according to their own desires. The maximum duration of the transformation (assuming it isn't
cut short earlier by fulfilling some criteria built into the Splendor) is one day for a 1-2 dot
Splendor, one week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-
dot Splendor. Alternately, the transformation may be permanent, but in this case the Splendor
can only unleash this Element against a maximum of (Splendor's rating) individuals per story.
During extended downtime, assume it can create no more than that number of monsters per
week.
The Splendor twists its targets into monsters. Roll Intelligence + Intimidation against difficulty
(10 – Splendor's rating) when this curse strikes at a valid individual. They suffer a cosmetic
transformation and gain one Aspect per success, which may be chosen freely from among Lunar,
Infernal, or Nightmare Aspects.
As an Adornment, Twisted Horror Curse's target is its user. She always gains a number of
Aspects equal to the Splendor's rating, and they are always the same Aspects.
As a Fascination, the Splendor's owner may set a priority order for Aspects, may impose a
general theme and leave the details up to chance, or may permit those transformed to do so
according to their own desires. The maximum duration of the transformation (assuming it isn't
cut short earlier by fulfilling some criteria built into the Splendor) is one day for a 1-2 dot
Splendor, one week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-
dot Splendor. Alternately, the transformation may be permanent, but in this case the Splendor
can only unleash this Element against a maximum of (Splendor's rating) individuals per story.
During extended downtime, assume it can create no more than that number of monsters per
week.
Holden's rulings on this sort of thing tend to be....inconsistent.
Holden wants us to be destroying Dragons Nests for every significant magic artifact, or killing gods and the like.
Which is something we've promptly ignored.
Holden also expects the Storyteller to carry the burden of designing every individual fomor, as opposed to statting up breeds and individuals the normal way where people do designs and submit them for approval from the QM.
Which is simply unmanageable for any game.
I wouldnt expect an Infernal Exalt to be making regular Fomor.
Especially not with Inner Devils Unleashed, where they are personally attending to the person and spending Essence per individual, instead of something like Spawning Pit Infliction, which she simply establishes a site and leaves to chance.
Because a chargen Garou would murder it handily.
Its balanced that way; it rolls mortal combat dice pools, it does no aggravated damage, and it doesnt have the Crinos-equivalent power. There's a reason I went with thematic builds over maximized effectiveness; if I wanted to build a combat monster, I could have built something that would give Deirdre Archleone trouble in 10 powers or so.
Furthermore, there's nothing in the setting that actually limits what you can stat a fomor with
The only hard rules are that Ferectoi must have at least five powers, and Fomarchs must match Ferectoi power levels and be functionally sane.
Thats it.
Awareness 3 + Excellency will cost 9xp for the Ability dots and 4xp for the Excellency.
Alertness 3 + Excellency will cost 6xp for the Ability dots and 4xp for the Excellency.
Given the sort of thing that Holden expects you to craft with?
I am thematically chuffed for the possibility of doing something like crafting a 5-dot version of the One Ring or the Infinity Gauntlet. Less so for mundane stat boosters.
Especially since we can only use so many items at a time.
Could be. Moving parts appear to be a supernatural staple.
Could be some other Fae; the Courts have some powerful entities that we dont often see onscreen, and even outside the Courts, there are some appallingly powerful Wyldfae who like to play games to relieve their boredom
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I mean, for obvious reasons, we aren't making any fomor until we actually buy one of the charms to make them. But we already have the crafting charm. So a comparison on the value of fomor versus Arcana isn't really helpful right now, because we're always going to go for the option that we have the ability to make over the one that we can't.
I've previously argued the W.A.N.D is unnecessary, and a waste of AP.
Yog's design is a nanny, not a guard. Citation:
Which is fair, but does agree with my assessment that we dont need a guard there atm.
We can hire a nanny or helper from among human society, either a woman with actual training, or a mother with experience, and doing so actually helps Rosie begin to reintegrate with people outside the house after several months at home.
Especially if we hire from Cauldron, or close associates of Cauldron.
We dont need to literally build a nanny when we can hire one.
Its not like we are short on things to build.
OK, so when it comes to Formarch class fomori I'd say you have enough occult lore between your Hell, Occult 5 and Bob to make them, but you would need both the charm and some AP to hammer out the template, similar to how you would do to an arcanum. The process is pretty analogous after all.
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"The Charm" being Inner Devils or Latter Day Devil Implants (for the better thematic connection to our Hell) or just any of the Formor-making Charm?
If you are trying to stack on as many gifts as you can as efficiently as you can as with the canine fomori above LDDI, if you are trying to empower humans and awaken their Po IDU
I am 99% sure this is illegal on multiple grounds. Starting with very explicit "you cannot custom design fomor" and continuing how you are using, and then abusing and cheesing a werewolf build, and then (fairly sure that's illegal) converting inapplicable parts into ridiculous amount of freebie points.
And even if that was legal (and I am sure parts of this are not at least, like the "convert stuff into freebie points" is cheese), that doesn't address my main point - large dog breed are of too limited utility to be useful outside the primary residence guardian role, and in that role home spirits are far superior.
EDIT: On conversion of the parts of the build into freebie points - it definitely should be illegal. See how in horror arcana build it says "you can convert all your social dots into 1 arcana features". At minimum you convert 3 dots, which should grant 15 freebie points, yet you are only getting one arcana feature, which is worth 7 points. There's no equivalence. It's cheese.
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