Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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BoredMan
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Since noone answered me before, I'm guessing that ya'll don't trust Rosie to be a mother or get help from her parents. Which is fair but I hope you guys realize how this may come across to Rosie when Molly makes her baby a servitor out of a new soul to do the parenting for her.
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Oh I misunderstood. The reason I did it was safety essentially something that can snatch up both mother and child and run and phone to us immediately if anything goes wrong. The value of both the mother and the child are insane as far as kidnapping propositions go because Rosie has no attack potency whatsoever and is aware of the supernatural. Never mind the fact that she lives in a house without Wards at the moment.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
What are you even talking about? The same can be said for Molly's friends who were already kidnapped by a skinwalker. This logic alone doesn't track with how we've acted about Molly's other people who have no attack potency either.
You are correct but I can't remember the name of Molly's friends and we have a specific relationship with Rosie and we're the godmother of her child. To be honest they don't have a specific kind of tight relationship with Molly the naagaloshi was able to deduce the connections because it's stalked us for God knows how long and learned our character and knew we would stick our neck out for them.
Rosie our relationship with her is such that we are a direct Financial contributor to the raising of her daughter and we are the daughters godmother and we might be like subsidizing her housing/hiring her for a job. So the blatency I guess is different is what I'm saying.
Trust has nothing to do with this. I don't hold much value in minutae of parenting. If a backup and hep can be provided so Rosie doesn't have to worry about those, that's a benefit to everyone, and no slight is implied at all.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
From your perspective sure. Rosie operates with a different mindset however, you understand that right? What you place value in doesn't matter here, it's not improbable for Rosie herself to come to such a conclusion at all.
So your saying that Rosie and her kid would make a more obvious target even though after stalking Molly for awhile Broken Seerer decided to kidnap her other friends but not Rosie. I suppose I see what your getting at? From an outside perspective it may look like she's more important than the rest if you go out of your way to look into the relations rather than give them a glance and see who Molly spends more time around like BS did.
Its seems more unlikely to me that they would be targeted over the others as the record shows but I can see the logic.
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The main thing I'm getting at is if you do not wish you break the Masquerade and capture an individual linked to us Rosie is an obvious choice she's soaked in Dream Magic and her kid is our goddaughter so she's obviously important to us.
While Molly's friends also know about the supernatural they don't have any magic that's their own that would ping to General sensory disciplines like auspex and things like that. Nor do we engage in Supernatural activities with them like we do Rosie. In this in sense I mean teaching her.
The vote is very close and I am pretty tired so we might leave this one until morning, in the meantime I coud to an Alpha Interlude, show a bit of a lower level of the local supernaural scene and why they have not inroduced themselves to you. Yes, there is a reason.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I would like to see that. More meta knowledge get!
Well it's not really meta, Harry would know all the cogent details, he just would not present them in this light... well except for one, but you guys will see.
Let me hopefully help a little about that:
[x] Yog
Mundane gifts are unworthy of even being considered IMO.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Probably won't be saying that when we run out of mats.
Ressources are made to be used and not hoarded.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
They are hoarded to be used when needed like for the Archive's 3(two?) splendors.
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Different people have made different arguments; if you look back a page or two, you'll see Earth-Destroyer making the assertion that single Solars > Primordials, for example.
I personally dont think either the maximalist claims of single Solar supremacy or the minimalist ones of the Solar Host being able to do it are accurate.
So it doesnt particularly matter.
1) Possible, but unlikely.
2)Not possible.Creation has continuity of history, and there's people alive in Yu-Shan whose memories and records run back to when the Primordials ruled. If some Exalt had successfully pulled off something like that, it would be significant enough to have made the histories, even if it got destroyed afterwards.
3)Wrong quest for it.
World of Darkness and Dresden Files are urban fantasy settings, not epic fantasy. Something like a Directional Titan would be setting breaking in a way that Exalts currently arent. A lot like dropping a circle of Elder Celestial Exalts in the setting.
4)I remember that Gethsemane is supposed to have a backup Pole of Earth, iirc.
And I do remember something about Titans being able to serve as lifeboats.
I dont recall their being able to spawn a new Creation though.
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To restate: If the Solars could do it, even on a small scale, one would have tried.
He/she/they doesnt have to replicate the totality of Creation solo to build a proof of concept. To build a city-sized area, for example. That would be the basic step I would expect from people with the resources of First Age Solars.
The fact that they went with expanding Creation's borders instead speaks volumes to me.
The closest thing we see is the Creation city with a bunch of reality engines in the Wyld whose population had died out and been replaced by Raksha cosplaying as mortals.
Not really.
Giving an animal Fomor/fomorach the power to avoid mortal notice if it so chooses is pretty elementary.
I have done it, so I know its possible.
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Like I've pointed out, spirits have their own drawbacks to
- They can be banished.
- They can be warded off.
- They cant follow you across a threshold or wards without invitation by the person who owns those wards.
- They cannot materialize without drawing attention from everyone, including people who arent in the know about magic.
- They cannot take physical actions without materializing.
Emanations and ephemera are flatout described as artificial spirits.
They will have all the drawbacks of the same.
Plus additional ones linked to the fact that they are phantasms/emanations/ephemera.
1) Yes we do.
We do not burn a relationship with a major Power and our supernatural reputation by welshing on a promise.
You give your word, you KEEP it.
Or else, the next time you need help for whatever reason, people will demand payment up front, assuming they choose to help you at all.
2)We have other things to do
I do not see the utility in burning AP to supply a baby with stuff it cannot use.
AP is a limited resource for a reason.
Even making stuff has Molly with a long list of things she hasnt gotten around to doing.
She hasnt made herself a new phone that can be used in the NeverNever, or reforged Daniel's sword, or made arcana for him and Olivia, or armor for Lydia and Michael, or a splendor for Lash, or any of the 3 splendors we owe Ivy.
There is a long list of things we have to make.
This is a terrible place to spend AP.
They are Yama Kings. Spite is a fundamental factor in the makeup of most of them.
The Yama Queen Tou Mu explicitly devoted a significant chunk of her attention and resources over several decades to kidnapping the Grand Wan Xian Lei-Tsu and his entire army of Wan Xian that defeated her once in order to torture them for eternity. Emma-O's war with Mikaboshi has stretched centuries beyond any possible returns.
Behavior like that is well in their displayed character.
Anyway.
This particular nuking may very well not be the work of the Yama Kings; if nothing else, the Yama Kings are not shy about taking credit for the destruction of their enemies.
You know what our word is worth, exactly what it meant every Supernatural faction behaves like that she gave us empty words and an introduction and she demands three miracles in return for us doing her job she will get them when she gets them whether that be her or her granddaughter and if she didn't want to be that way she should have thought of it when she asked for it.
Molly doesn't know she's immortal but there was no time limit given so we'll make them when we'll make them and she'll get them when she'll get them whether that be in 10 years 15 years 500 years and her great great granddaughter gets them because we promised them to the neutral archive.
On the point of them making their own creation by the time the game rolls around any possible alternate Creations would have been wiped Away by the tides of chaos because the solar that made them died 1500 years ago if they weren't immediately destroyed during the usurpation. Second no one I don't think is claiming that it would have been easy fast or something they can do on a whim to be frank a solar by themselves would have to dedicate their entire exalted existence to doing that a large group of solars could probably do it considerably faster never mind if they have the aid of all of their exalted brethren.
If all we want is notification when there's a threat, we'd give Rosie a phone with a cyberdevil; I assume we're doing that anyway just as a matter of course.
If we want a bodyguard, we'll provide something physical that cant be banished.
An emanation is a very poor fit for this scenario.
It cannot act physically without spending a Willpower for the scene.
It looks like a ghost, so it is always blatant whenever it materializes. It straight up cannot follow into places warded against spirits, or someone carrying something to fend off spirits. It has all the drawbacks of spirits in this setting.
Its linked to its keystone, and the baby does not have the capability to use the keystone.
This is a fucking terrible place to spend AP.
Its a baby. Its going to spend the next six months at home, behind a threshold and wards, eating and sleeping and shitting. Noone's snatching it off the street or from school.
Its personal security requirements are going to be low.
By the time its old enough to leave the house, our security resources will be much greater.
This is just untrue.
When we needed backup against the akuma, we literally paid Odin with promises that we would build him AFVs and that he would be able to cash in ONE battle summon. We just paid Ivy with promises that we would provide 3x splendors.
We told Eiko we'd help her with Emma-O and she believed us.
That was only possible because our word is good.
All our social outreach has hinged on the fact that people can rely on our promises in good faith, and that they dont have to legal contract it to prevent Molly wriggling out of it.
Doing what your proposing would be an own goal of humongous proportions.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I think only the Fey factions really act like that if your talking about rules lawyering.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Do you recall what the 3rd splendor was for? I thought we avoided having to give a 3rd with Bronze's vote unless that was to stop having to give a fourth.
We promised 3x splendors. I quote:
Bronze's vote was to avoid having to give a fourth.The idea was more that the Archive will cover for you. She will say she has insights into Nemesis. Even Titania will accept 'bitch I am the Archive*' as the means by by which she knew this. In exchange you owe her 3 splendors to be used by the Ventori, though you have convinced her not to use one for herself until further study.
*probably more politely phrased, Ivy is a nice girl even if she does know all the bad words ever.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Alright now I rememeber why I was mad.
[X] Something mundane
-[X]Newborn care package from Sanctuary
-[X]Healing potions for Rosie
-[X]Newborn care package from Sanctuary
-[X]Healing potions for Rosie
It would only be that if I declared we will never do it. When you offer horrific terms for a extremely onerous expensive miraculous magical items do not be surprised when it takes a while for you to receive them especially when you do not put a Time span attached to them any negotiation with any Supernatural or Mundane faction that is forced by essentially a shared threat to accept that offer is going to fuck you as hard as possible for putting them in that position the fact that she's getting them within a mortal lifetime is because Molly Carpenter is a good person.
You are correct the factions of the supernatural world do not just operate in that manner. Just the archive definitely shows its age in how it acts during a negotiation a deal that specifically benefits her function and the survival of reality and she is forced by whatever Arcane machinations go on with the mantle to squeeze ever more value out of it shows it was made by human hands.
The fact of the matter is she should have instead of squeezing le Miracles out of us done just a little bit of legwork because we could provide evidence if we needed to instead she leans on the mantle and the mantle is attached to humankind so it immediately reaches for the obvious solution of collateral. But mankind is never been particularly good at assuring its own interest making allies or generally behaving in manners that aren't terrible.
As any Long Live Supernatural faction Playbook on negotiations would tell you pinning someone against the wall that you do not plan on killing later when they offer a mutually beneficial deal and you fuck them for all their worth they're not going to want to deal with you again even if it is for a mutual benefit or against the mutual enemy.
