Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Eh... generally yes, but something like a Black Court Elder after the read she got on them, the world is better off without them and that is not a person, that is a husk filled with bad touch magic.
Even something like a Black Court Elder, I would argue, would be beyond the pale.

Looting the remains of something she has to kill anyway is likely to be fine, and I dont expect her to have any issues with looting a Black Court elder in the course of duties. But actively going out to hunt a sophont for its body parts/mojo as a magical reagent because she has to make something, I would argue, beyond the pale for Michael's daughter. And Charity's daughter.

Both in the way she was raised, and the potential for hitting trauma buttons in her mind, her family and the general supernatural community. This is one of those places where intent matters, IMO.
 
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Even something like a Black Court Elder, I would argue, would be beyond the pale.

Looting the remains of something she has to kill anyway is likely to be fine, and I dont expect her to have any issues with looting a Black Court elder in the course of duties. But actively going out to hunt a sophont for its body parts/mojo as a magical reagent because she has to make something, I would argue, beyond the pale for Michael's daughter. And Charity's daughter.

Both in the way she was raised, and the potential for hitting trauma buttons in her mind, her family and the general supernatural community. This is one of those places where intent matters, IMO.

That is one of those cases where it is easy to argue around the edges of her upbringing, people can and do change, including though rationalization. If you guys want to is up to the vote.

Anyway good night guys, see you tomorrow with Avalon.
 
Even something like a Black Court Elder, I would argue, would be beyond the pale.

Looting the remains of something she has to kill anyway is likely to be fine, and I dont expect her to have any issues with looting a Black Court elder in the course of duties. But actively going out to hunt a sophont for its body parts/mojo as a magical reagent because she has to make something, I would argue, beyond the pale for Michael's daughter. And Charity's daughter.

Both in the way she was raised, and the potential for hitting trauma buttons in her mind, her family and the general supernatural community. This is one of those places where intent matters, IMO.
An appreciable portion of the supernatural community kill and eat people as a matter of course. Some of them will do that and worse for fun.

The moral argument is one thing, but claiming the likes of the white court, Odin, or Winter are going to look at us funny over this is ridiculous.


Humans in the community really strongly other the various critters around them, as evidenced by the laws not protecting even things as mentally close to them as whampires.

I mean torturing a ghoul to death with magic directly in front of several wardens didn't even get Dresden a reprimand. As long as we don't go crazy about it or target people we've done amicable business with it's unlikely to be a problem.
 
so they wont be providing any materials cause fuck they definitely have them its a dick move to make us gather them when they for sure have them.
 
In exchange you owe her 3 splendors to be used by the Ventori
Wait, we owe her three Splendor's for doing something(combating Outsiders/foiling thier schemes) that she's supposed to be doing anyways? I wasn't against making her one for herself out of pity but three?

What a raw deal.
so they wont be providing any materials cause fuck they definitely have them its a dick move to make us gather them when they for sure have them.
Yeah we should really ask the Archive to cover the material cost at least cause Molly just got scammed.
 
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Wait ,we owe her three Splendor's for doing something(fighting Outsiders) that she's supposed to be doing anyways?

What a raw deal.
We owe her two splendors for going to the Summer Queen and pointing a finger at her major retainers sight unseen at our word while we're clearly hiding something about our sources.

The other one is for mediating our exchange with Lily so it doesn't look like we're fomenting a coup or something like that.

It's pricy, but the Archive's reputation and influence is substantial. If we just gave her the data and wanted to get her help dealing with them, but we're basically borrowing her credit score to facilitate what could be substantial future business with the court.
 
We owe her two splendors for going to the Summer Queen and pointing a finger at her major retainers sight unseen at our word while we're clearly hiding something about our sources.

The other one is for mediating our exchange with Lily so it doesn't look like we're fomenting a coup or something like that.

It's pricy, but the Archive's reputation and influence is substantial. If we just gave her the data and wanted to get her help dealing with them, but we're basically borrowing her credit score to facilitate what could be substantial future business with the court.
They could at least cover the material cost seeing as for fuck sakes its basically pocket change for them and their wasting our time and theirs by making us gather the stuff.
 
We should have haggled, too late now though.

Something to remember for the future.
Okay well they shouldn't expect to get their shit for quite a few months then. Also fairly sure we should of gotten the option to negotiate for this. Wasting both their and our time by not giving us a skull or something. We should of gotten a vote option for negotiation like I get wanting to move on dp's part but if we're negotiating something molly shouldn't just automatically make promises without us negotiating.
 
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Okay well they shouldn't expect to get their shit for quite a few months then. Also fairly sure we should of gotten the option to negotiate for this. Wasting both their and our time by not giving us a skull or something.
We have write ins by default, it's not like we were forced to accept her terms or bust.

Technically we have the resources to make two of them now. Delivering the whole batch at once would be satisfying, but there's an argument to be made for getting those in early. We don't really benefit from a delay, and the Ivy being protected is good for reality's health.

I wouldn't call it urgent since the Archive has been doing fine so far, but still.

Incidentally, on the topic of the archive and splendors, @DragonParadox would the talisman we're making help with the side effects of the Archive's mantle?

I don't mean the restrictions, I'm thinking about the bit from Luccio's explanation on how the Archive seems to have zero emotional distance from the memories of the prior hosts and often ends up going mad from the detritus of five thousand years of other people's lives.

Arguably that's a mental attack caused by unmoderated input from the Archive to the mortal using it. We know it can be passed off and leave the prior host mortal when it does so, which implies it does change them as deeply as something like Lily's does.

Blocking it entirely would be counterproductive, but dulling the extremes providing enough distance that it loses the ability to drive her crazy seems like it could fit.
 
We have write ins by default, it's not like we were forced to accept her terms or bust.

Technically we have the resources to make two of them now. Delivering the whole batch at once would be satisfying, but there's an argument to be made for getting those in early. We don't really benefit from a delay, and the Ivy being protected is good for reality's health.

I wouldn't call it urgent since the Archive has been doing fine so far, but still.

Incidentally, on the topic of the archive and splendors, @DragonParadox would the talisman we're making help with the side effects of the Archive's mantle?

I don't mean the restrictions, I'm thinking about the bit from Luccio's explanation on how the Archive seems to have zero emotional distance from the memories of the prior hosts and often ends up going mad from the detritus of five thousand years of other people's lives.

Arguably that's a mental attack caused by unmoderated input from the Archive to the mortal using it. We know it can be passed off and leave the prior host mortal when it does so, which implies it does change them as deeply as something like Lily's does.

Blocking it entirely would be counterproductive, but dulling the extremes providing enough distance that it loses the ability to drive her crazy seems like it could fit.
I might be wrong but I'm fairly sure we didn't really get the option spelled out to us that we are bartering yet or that things were just going to end there. Like I wanted to offer stuff for exalted lore from her for example.
 
I might be wrong but I'm fairly sure we didn't really get the option spelled out to us that we are bartering yet or that things were just going to end there. Like I wanted to offer stuff for exalted lore from her for example.
We're not talking to a video game merchant, if we want to do other business unrelated to the context of the scene we're the ones who have to bring it up.

She quoted a price and instead of making a counter offer we basically nodded and proceeded with planning things. If we wanted to renegotiate that was the time to do it, not while we're all but walking out the door to get to work.
 
I mean, in the option for making the Splendor immediately (and since we could, I doubt we gave to use 3 ap to make three splendors later, as at 1 splendor per day, it would take 1 ap to make all 3), it was stated that Ivy would provide a black court elder skull. There's also a possibility that Michael and others will bring something. If nothing else, Ivy should be able to give us a number of treasure maps for powerful foci.
The doc has the premise that you have to capture souls with the 1 dot prodigy you used on Lash. I'm letting you guys use bodies since well that makes sense in the canon of exalted. Essence is not just souls, though if you do want to use souls.... well that is an option. :tongue:
Actually, the crafting charm is supposed to have a sub function letting us store power in our anima:
Gather the Power: Splendors are formed from concentrated supernatural power. The Charms that enable an Exalt to create a Splendor also allow her to capture such power within the cage of her Essence and to store it for up to (Essence rating) stories before it dissipates. During that time, she must advance to the next steps and use the power before it dissipates.
I think what Essence vessel is supposed to do, is to keep the power preserved indefinitely.

But in general, I like your version better.
 
We're not talking to a video game merchant, if we want to do other business unrelated to the context of the scene we're the ones who have to bring it up.

She quoted a price and instead of making a counter offer we basically nodded and proceeded with planning things. If we wanted to renegotiate that was the time to do it, not while we're all but walking out the door to get to work.
And if their suggesting business we should get a fucking promp for it. We shouldn't make promises without actually mechanically agreeing to said promises.
 
And if their suggesting business we should get a fucking promp for it. We shouldn't make promises without actually mechanically agreeing to said promises.
It's right there in the chapter. I don't think it's unreasonable for us to be expected to read and react to the discussion we're in. We could always choose not to invoke her help with Summer, but otherwise them's breaks.
 
Wait, we owe her three Splendor's for doing something(combating Outsiders/foiling thier schemes) that she's supposed to be doing anyways? I wasn't against making her one for herself out of pity but three?

What a raw deal.

Yeah we should really ask the Archive to cover the material cost at least cause Molly just got scammed.

That was the deal that she proposed and no one raised an objection, the question of whether she should make one for herself was more 'does she use one for herself'

As for what she is doing, what would be extending a great deal of trust on your henceforth untested and very deliberately obscured source of information. If the Archive calls those people out and they are not infected she would be in deep trouble and she is doing this on faith.
 
An appreciable portion of the supernatural community kill and eat people as a matter of course. Some of them will do that and worse for fun. The moral argument is one thing, but claiming the likes of the white court, Odin, or Winter are going to look at us funny over this is ridiculous.
The idea that the supernatural community does not have opinions about this sort of thing is untrue.

Furthermore, mortals arent judged by the same permissive standards as non-humans.
Not in the supernatural community. Especially since with humans, this sort of thing is often the first signs of a progressive degeneration that ends in cackling villainy.

Ulsharavas explicitly calls out Dresden's previous use of black magic as a reason for not wanting to help him in Death Masks.
Ulsharavas the Cabbage Patch doll sighed and sat down in the circle, legs straight out like a teddy bear's. She struggled to pick up the comparatively large cup of whiskey, and drank it down. It looked like she was taking a pull from a rain barrel, but she downed the whiskey in one shot. I don't know where it went, given that the doll didn't actually have a mouth or a stomach, but none of it spilled onto the floor. That done, she thrust a tiny fist into the tobacco and stuffed a wad of it into her mouth.
"So," she said, between chews. "You want to know about the Shroud, and the people who stole it."
I lifted my eyebrows. "Uh. Yeah, actually. You're pretty good."
"There are two problems."
I frowned. "Okay. What are they?"
Ulsharavas peered at me and said, "First. I don't work for bokkor."
"I'm not a bokkor," I protested.
"You aren't a houngun. You aren't a mambo. That makes you a sorcerer."
"Wizard," I said. "I'm with the White Council."
The doll tilted her head. "You're stained," she said. "I can feel black magic on you."

"It's a long story," I said. "But mostly it isn't mine."
"Some of it is."
I frowned at the doll and then nodded. "Yeah. I've made a bad call or two."
"But honest," Ulsharavas noted. "Well enough. Second is my price."
"What did you have in mind?"
Odin expresses anger and disgust over the Red Court attempting to use a bloodline curse "like in the old days" in Changes c21.
Vadderung nodded. "You're looking for your daughter."
I felt my body go rigid. "How . . . ?"
He smiled rather wolfishly. "I know things, Dresden. And if I don't know something, I can find out. Like yourself, it is what I do."
I stared at the man for most of a minute. Then I said, "Do you know where she is?"
"No," he said in a quiet, firm voice. "But I know where she will be."
I looked down at my hands. "What's it going to cost me to find out?"
"Chichén Itzá," Vadderung said.
I jerked my head up in surprise. I stared at the man for a moment. "I . . ."
"Don't understand?" Vadderung asked. "It isn't complicated. I'm on your side, boy."
I raked my fingers back through my hair, thinking. "Why there?"
"The Red King and his inner circle, the Lords of Outer Night, have got some big juju to brew up. They need a site of power to do it. For this, they'll use Chichén Itzá."
"Why there?"
"They're enacting a sacrifice. Like in the old days." A snarl of anger touched his voice, and made it suddenly frightening. "They're preparing a bloodline curse."
"A what?"
"Death magic," he said, "focused upon the bloodline. From the sacrifice, the child, to her brothers, sisters, and parents. From the parents to their brothers, sisters, and parents, and so on. Spreading up the family tree until there's no one left."

A chill hit my guts. "I've . . . never even heard of death magic on that kind of scale. The energy required for that . . . It's enormous." I stopped for a moment and then said, "And it's stupid. Susan was an only child, and she's already lost her parents. Same with me . . ."
Vadderung arched an eyebrow at me. "Is it? They like to be thorough, those old monsters."
I smoothed my expression over, trying not to give away anything. This spell they were doing would kill me, if they pulled it off. It could also kill my only family, my half brother, Thomas. "How does it work?" I asked him, my voice subdued.
"It tears out the heart," Vadderung said. "Rips it to bits on the way out, too. Sound familiar?"
"Hell's bells," I said quietly. It had been years since I had even thought about Victor Sells or his victims. They had featured in my nightmares for quite a while until I upgraded.
Mab herself, Queen of the Winter Court, called Kemmler a madman and monster in Dead Beat c21.
Mab shrugged one shoulder, a liquid motion that drew my eyes toward the curves of her breasts within the silken gown. "You disappoint me, child. But I can wait. I can wait until the sun burns cold."
Thunder rumbled over the lake. Off in the southwest, lightning leapt from cloud to cloud.
Mab turned her head to watch. "Interesting."
"Uh. What's interesting?"
"Powers at work, preparing the way."
"What is that supposed to mean?" I asked.
"That you have little time," Mab said. She turned to face me again. "I must do what I might to preserve your life. Know this, mortal: Should Kemmler's heirs acquire the knowledge bound within the Word, they will be in a position to gather up such power as the world has not seen in many thousands of years."
"What? How?"
"Kemmler was"-Mab's eyes grew distant, as if in memory- "a madman. A monster. But brilliant. He learned how to bind to his will not only dead flesh, but shades-to rend them asunder and devour them to feed his own power. It was the secret of the strength that allowed him to defy all the White Council together."
I added two and two and got four. "The heirs want to call up the ancient spirits," I breathed. "And then devour them for power."
Mab's deep-green eyes almost seemed to glow with intensity. "Kemmler himself attempted it, but the Council struck him down before he could finish."
I swallowed. "What happens if one of his heirs is able to do it?"
"The heir would gain power such as has not been wielded by mortal hands in the memory of your race," Mab said.
"The Darkhallow," I said. I rubbed at my eyes. "That's what it is. A ritual, tomorrow night. Halloween. They all want to be the one to make themselves into a junior-league god."
"Power is ever sweet, is it not?"
I thought about it some more. I had to worry about more than just Kemmler's cronies. Mavra wanted the Word, too. Hell's bells. If Mavra succeeded in making herself into some kind of dark goddess, there wasn't a chance in hell that she wouldn't obliterate me at the first opportunity. "Can they do it without the Word?"
Mab's mouth curled up in a slow smile. "If they could, why would they seek it so desperately?" The wind began to stir again, and the lake began to resume its ebb and flow. "Beware, wizard. You are engaged in a most deadly game. I should be disappointed were I deprived of your service."
"Then get used to it," I said. "I'm never going to be your knight."
Mab tilted back her head and let out that nerve-searing laughter again. "I have time," she said. "And you mortals find life to be very sweet. Two favors you yet owe me, and make no mistake, I will collect. One day you will kneel at my feet."
The lake suddenly surged, dark waters whirling up in a snake-quick spiral, forming a waterspout that stretched from the lake's surface up out of sight into the darkness above me. The wind howled, driving my balance to one side, so that my wounded leg buckled and I fell to one knee.
Bob, who worked with him, called him pure evil in the same book
Bob made a sucking sound through his teeth, which is fairly impressive given that he's got no saliva to work with. Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit. I mean, he can make a B sound with no lips, too. "Can you give me a reference point or anything?"
"Not for certain," I said. "But I have a gut instinct that says it has something to do with necromancy."
Bob made a whistling sound. "I hope not."
"Why?" I asked.
"Because that Kemmler was a certifiable nightmare," Bob said. "I mean, wow. He was sick, Harry. Evil."
That got my attention. Bob the skull was an air spirit, a being that existed in a world of knowledge without morality. He was fairly fuzzy on the whole good-evil conflict, and as a result he had only vague ideas of where lines got drawn. If Bob thought someone was evil, well… Kemmler must have really pushed the envelope.
"What'd he do?" I asked. "What made him so evil?"
"He was best known for World War One," Bob said.
"The whole thing?" I demanded.
"Mostly, yeah," Bob said. "There were about a hundred and fifty years of engineering built into it, and he had his fingers into all kinds of pies. He vanished at the end of hostilities and didn't show up again until he started animating mass graves during World War Two. Went on rampages out in Eastern Europe, where things were pretty much a nightmare even without his help. Nobody is sure how many people he killed."
"Stars and stones," I said. "Why would he do something like that?"
"A wild guess? He was freaky insane. Plus evil."
"You say 'was,'" I said. "Past tense?"
"Very," Bob said. "After what the guy did, the White Council hunted him down and wiped his dusty ass out in 1961."
"You mean the Wardens?"
"I mean the White Council," Bob said. "The Merlin, the whole Senior Council, the brute squad out of Archangel, the Wardens, and every wizard and ally the wizards could get their hands on."
I blinked. "For one man?"
"See above, regarding nightmare," Bob said. "Kemmler was a necromancer, Harry. Power over the dead. He had truck with demons, too, was buddies with most of the vampire Courts, every nasty in Europe, and some of the uglier faeries, too. Plus he had his own little cadre of baby Kemmlers to help him out. Apprentices. And thugs of every description."
"Damn," I said.
"Doubtless he was," Bob said. "They killed him pretty good. A bunch of times. He'd shown up again after the Wardens had killed him early in the nineteenth century, so they were real careful the second time. And good riddance to the psychotic bastard."
The Erlking, master of the Wild Hunt, whose goblins have been known to torture people to death for entertainment, referred to what the Fomor did to breed Huntsmen as "distasteful" in Battle Grounds chapter 10.
"Yes," agreed the Erlking, turning from the last throes of the fallen Huntsman. "It makes them easy to lure forward and impossible to drive away." He paused to nudge the deflated remains of a Huntsman with the toe of one boot. "It is not possible to contain more than a handful of such creatures for any length of time. The enemy has been breeding this batch up of late."

I grimaced. "Yeah. They've been taking people since the Red Court fell."
"Now we know why," River Shoulders said.

"Wait," I said, feeling sick. "They . . . breed more of these things from people? Or they make more of them from people?"
"The process is . . . somewhat distasteful," began the Erlking.


"Wait," I said again. "Stop. Just stop. I don't want to know."

Call it hypocrisy, or selective blindness. But they are judging you, and making decisions based on that judgement, is a thing.

Powerful mortal magic workers beginning to reprise some of the shit that infamous predecessors got up to both besmirches their reputation AND makes everyone nervous.
Especially when it turns out that Molly is fairly magic agnostic, and can break down anyone for parts.


Humans in the community really strongly other the various critters around them, as evidenced by the laws not protecting even things as mentally close to them as whampires.

I mean torturing a ghoul to death with magic directly in front of several wardens didn't even get Dresden a reprimand. As long as we don't go crazy about it or target people we've done amicable business with it's unlikely to be a problem.
This is misleading.
Humans are permissive with regards to the use of lethal force against supernatural critters, sapient or otherwise.
Other applications of magic? Not so much.

For example?
Morgan was explicitly on Dresden's case about binding Fae in Storm Front when we first see him summon Toot-Toot.
So I paced, and I waited. Toot usually took about half an hour to round up whatever it was I wanted to know.
Sure enough, half an hour later he came sparkling back in and buzzed around my head, drizzling faery dust from his blurring wings at my eyes. "Hah, Harry!" he said. "I did it!"
"What did you find out, Toot?"
"Guess!"
I snorted. "No."
"Aw, come on. Just a little guess?"
I scowled, tired and irritated, but tried not to let it show. Toot couldn't help being what he was. "Toot, it's late. You promised to tell me."
"No fun at all," he complained. "No wonder you can't get a date unless someone wants to know something from you."
I blinked at him, and he chortled in glee. "Hah! I love it! We're watching you, Harry Dresden!"
Now that was disconcerting. I had a sudden image of a dozen faery voyeurs lingering around my apartment's windows and peering inside. I'd have to take precautions to make sure they couldn't do that. Not that I was afraid of them, or anything. Just in case.
"Just tell me, Toot," I sighed.
"Incoming!" he shrilled, and I held out my hand, fingers flat and palm up. He alighted in the center of my palm. I could barely feel his weight, but the sense, the aura of him ran through my skin like a tiny electric current. He stared fearlessly at my eyes—the fae have no souls to gaze upon, and they could not fathom a mortal's soul, even if they could see it.
"Okay!" Toot said. "I talked to Blueblossom, who talked to Rednose, who talked to Meg O' Aspens, who said that Goldeneyes said that he was riding the pizza car when it came here last night!" Toot thrust out his chest proudly.
"Pizza car?" I asked, bewildered.
"Pizza!" Toot cried, jubilant. "Pizza! Pizza! Pizza!" His wings fluttered again, and I tried to blink the damned faery dust out of my eyes before I started sneezing.
"Faeries like pizza?" I asked.
"Oh, Harry," Toot said breathlessly. "Haven't you ever had pizza before?"
"Of course I have," I said.
Toot looked wounded. "And you didn't share?"
I sighed. "Look. Maybe I can bring you guys some pizza sometime soon, to thank you for your help."
Toot leapt about in glee, hopping from one fingertip to the other. "Yes! Yes! Wait until I tell them! We'll see who laughs at Toot-toot next time!"
"Toot," I said, trying to calm him, "did he see anything else?"
Toot tittered, his expression sly and suggestive. "He said that there were mortals sporting and that they needed pizza to regain their strength!"
"Which delivery place, Toot?"
The faery blinked and stared at me as though I were hopelessly stupid. "Harry. The pizza truck." And then he darted off skyward, vanishing into the trees above.
I sighed and nodded. Toot wouldn't know the difference between Domino's and Pizza Hut. He had no frame of reference, and couldn't read—most faeries were studiously averse to print.
So, I had two pieces of information. One, someone had ordered a pizza to be delivered here. That meant two things. First, that someone was here last night. Second, that someone had seen them and talked to them. Maybe I could track down the pizza driver, and ask if he had seen Victor Sells.
The second piece of information had been Toot's reference to sporting. Faeries didn't think too much of mortals' idea of «sporting» unless there was a lot of nudity and lust involved. They had a penchant for shadowing necking teenagers and playing tricks on them. So Victor had been here with a lover of some kind, for there to be any «sport» going on.
I was beginning to think that Monica Sells was in denial. Her husband wasn't wandering around learning to be a sorcerer, spooky scorpion talismans notwithstanding. He was lurking about his love nest with a girlfriend, like any other husband bored with a timid and domestic wife might do under pressure. It wasn't admirable, but I guess I could understand the motivations that could cause it.
The only problem was going to be telling Monica. I had a feeling that she wasn't going to want to listen to what I had found out.
I picked up the little plate and bowl and cup and put them back into my black-nylon backpack, along with the silver knife. My legs ached from too much walking and standing about. I was looking forward to getting home and getting some sleep.
The man with the naked sword in his hands appeared out of the darkness without a warning rustle of sound or whiff of magic to announce his presence. He was tall, like me, but broad and heavy-chested, and he carried his weight with a ponderous sort of dignity. Perhaps fifty years old, his listless brown hair going grey in uneven patches, he wore a long, black coat, a lot like mine but without the mantle, and his jacket and pants, too, were done in dark colors—charcoal and a deep blue. His shirt was crisp, pure white, the color that you usually only see with tuxedos. His eyes were grey, touched with crow's-feet at the corners, and dangerous. Moonlight glinted off those eyes in the same shade it did from the brighter silver of the sword's blade. He began to walk deliberately toward me, speaking in a quiet voice as he did.
"Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden. Irresponsible use of true names for summoning and binding others to your will violates the Fourth Law of Magic," the man intoned. "I remind you that you are under the Doom of Damocles. No further violations of the Laws will be tolerated. The sentence for further violation is death, by the sword, to be carried out at once."

Chapter Seven


Have you ever been approached by a grim-looking man, carrying a naked sword with a blade about ten miles long in his hand, in the middle of the night, beneath the stars on the shores of Lake Michigan? If you have, seek professional help. If you have not, then believe you me, it can scare the bejeezus out of you.
I took in a quick breath, and had to work not to put it into a quasi-Latin phrase on the exhale, one that would set the man's body on fire and reduce him to a mound of ashes. I react badly to fear. I don't usually have the good sense to run, or hide—I just try to smash whatever it is that is making me afraid. It's a primitive sort of thing, and one I don't question too much.
But reflex-based murder seemed a tad extreme, so rather than setting him on fire, I nodded instead. "Evening, Morgan. You know as well as I do that those laws apply to mortals. Not faeries. Especially for something as trivial as I just did. And I didn't break the Fourth Law. He had the choice whether to take my deal or not."
Morgan's sour, leathery face turned a bit more sour, the lines at the corners of his mouth stretching and becoming deeper. "That's a technicality, Dresden. A pair of them." His hands, broad and strong, resettled their grip upon the sword he held. His unevenly greying hair was tied into a ponytail in the back, like Sean Connery's in some of his movies, except that Morgan's face was too pinched and thin to pull off the look.
"Your point being?" I did my best to keep from looking nervous or impressed. Truth be told, I was both. Morgan was my Warden, assigned to me by the White Council to make sure I didn't bend or break any of the Laws of Magic. He hung about and spied on me, mostly, and usually came sniffing around after I'd cast a spell of some kind. I would be damned if I was going to let the White Council's guard dog see any fear out of me. Besides, he would take it as a sign of guilt, in the true spirit of paranoid fanatics everywhere. So, all I had to do was keep a straight face and get out before my weariness made me slip up and do or say something he could use against me.
Morgan was one of the deadliest evocators in the world. He wasn't bright enough to question his loyalties to the Council, and he could do quick-and-dirty magic like few others could.
Quick and dirty enough to rip the hearts out of Tommy Tomm and Jennifer Stanton's chests, in fact, if he wanted to.
"My point," he said, scowling, "is that it is my assigned duty to monitor your use of your power, and to see to it that you do not abuse it."
"I'm on a missing-persons case," I said. "All I did was call up a dewdrop faery to get some information. Come on, Morgan. Everybody calls up faeries now and then. There's no harm in it. It's not as though I'm mind-controlling the things. Just leaning on them a little."
"Technicality," Morgan growled.
I stuck out my chin at him belligerently. We were of a height, though he outweighed me by about a hundred pounds. I could pick better people to antagonize, but he'd really gotten under my skin. "A technicality I'm prepared to hide wildly behind. So, unless you want to convene a meeting of the Council to call me on it, we can just drop the discussion right here. I'm pretty sure it will only take them about two days to cancel all their plans, make travel arrangements, and then get here. I can put you up until then. I mean, you'd be dragging a bunch of really crotchety old men away from their experiments and things for nothing, but if you really think it's necessary …"

Morgan scowled at me. "No. It isn't worth it." He opened his dark trench coat and slid the sword away into its scabbard. I relaxed a little. The sword wasn't the most dangerous thing about him, not by a long shot, but it was his symbol of the authority given to him by the White Council, and if rumors were true, it was enchanted to cut through the magical spells of anyone resisting him. I didn't want things ever to go far enough for me to find out if the rumors were true.
"I'm glad we agree about something," I said. "Nice seeing you again." I started to walk past him.

When Dresden staked out that ghoul, he was literally the highest ranked officer on-site in wartime.
Ramirez was his junior, and Luccio while superior was off seeing to medevac.
We did not see the aftermath to that incident internally either, so we have no idea whether he caught flak for it, or how much.


Why 3 AP? Making one 2 dot splendor is significantly less than an AP worth of effort. It takes less than a day to make one.
Narrative. Each splendor is a significant magical artifact, and we're not being charged XP for them.
Just designing each one is going to take some time, especially since we arent going to be using standardized components.
Then you are going to be clearing your schedule for this as well.

Abstracted, I expect each splendor is going to cost at least an AP.
And I would not be surprised to find that 4-5 dot splendors cost 2AP to make
 
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I will say this much, when pretty much anyone who knew that Kemmler was up to calls him a madman they are not expressing a moral opinion about something so minor as killing a lot of other humans. He's... special.
 
An appreciable portion of the supernatural community kill and eat people as a matter of course. Some of them will do that and worse for fun.

The moral argument is one thing, but claiming the likes of the white court, Odin, or Winter are going to look at us funny over this is ridiculous.


Humans in the community really strongly other the various critters around them, as evidenced by the laws not protecting even things as mentally close to them as whampires.

I mean torturing a ghoul to death with magic directly in front of several wardens didn't even get Dresden a reprimand. As long as we don't go crazy about it or target people we've done amicable business with it's unlikely to be a problem.
I know you mean it from a political standpoint but killing whampires isn't really much different from killing humans as far as magic law itself is concerned. Its mostly a mental thing.
 
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