Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Inner Devil Unleashed, the 3-dot fomor-making charm.
Point of order, all fomor making charms are 4 dots.
It can make a homeless bum into a multimillionaire(Resources 0 to Resources 5), a US Army private into a general(Status 0 to Status 5, Influence(Military) 5), a beat cop into the police commissioner, or a fresh agent into an FBI director(Status (Law Enforcement) 1 to Law Enforcement 5).

It can provide an entire armory of restricted military weapons in a totalitarian police state(Arsenal 0 to Arsenal 5), or make a Wonder fall into your lap out of the blue, or upgrade that Wonder, or create a Cult, or give you dots in Totem, or a Dragons Nest.
Thats the sort of widescale bullshit that requires outright reality warping the rest of the setting, not just the candidate.
No, it really, really can't. It bestows a dot of a background at a time, and cannot be used more than once a year. In a year in hostile environment, you are quite likely to lose the dot you gained - the money would get spent, the Arsenal confiscated, connections lost, etc.

It's powerful, but you are overselling it. Backgrounds are useful when you already have 4 dots of something, to make a multimillionaire a billionair, not to lift someone up from nothing. Or for backgrounds that cannot be acquired otherwise at all. Like past lives and drahonblooded kin.
 
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A note here VEE does require that someone say 'I wish for X' in some form, a positive statement, they just don't have to say it to the infernal or be serious about it also while it can grand background points it can do it only one point at a time, the first wish only gives the homeless man a job, it takes 5 to make him a multimillionaire and that is 5 years

That said you do make a good point about how pacts with demons work in lore and potentially granting supernatural abilities. I am still inclined to cap it below VEE but well... there is a merit about having the Devil's own luck.
Yeah, sure.
However, it doesnt require the mortal's consent. The mortal doesnt get to know the source beforehand, has to actively spend Willpower to reject it, and has to pass a DC8 check to notice the price.

By contrast, a demonic Pact requires that you actively agree. Affirmative consent.

As far as I can tell, it doesnt prevent the demon from lying to you, using magic on you, torturing you, or drugging you to get your consent to a pact. And it certainly doesnt require that the demon exercise full disclosure.
But you do have to agree. A lot like with a Coin, actually. :V

That said you do make a good point about how pacts with demons work in lore and potentially granting supernatural abilities. I am still inclined to cap it below VEE but well... there is a merit about having the Devil's own luck.
Note that DTF is explicit that you cant give Attributes or Abilities above 5 as a Pact.
So that is already in play.

Taking a quick look at my book? I cant find any other way for a Demon to give a mortal a supernatural Merit outside of a Pact.

The Flesh 5 evocation looks like it would allow you to give physical merits to a human or Demon, as well as some other merits that can be represented physically, but most supernatural merits dont appear to be covered. And you can only make it permanent by spending Willpower. Which already mechanically limits things, since Demons dont recover willpower any faster than mortals.

Beast 5 explicitly says laws of physics and conservation of mass are waived, so maybe you can do that for animals.
Still have to spend WP to make things permanent though.


They explicitly can't be used for backrounds.
Yeah.
I did say explicit exception of Backgrounds; you cant spend those freebie points on them.

Point of order, all fomor making charms are 4 dots.
Yeah, you're right.
My bad.
No, it really, really can't. It bestows a dot of a background at a time, and cannot be used more than once a year. In a year in hostile environment, you are quite likely to lose the dot you gained - the money would get spent, the Arsenal confiscated, connections lost, etc.
Literally right there in the quote:
The only real restrictions are that it takes time and patience to do, so five years to max out a Background.
Which isnt really relevant to the timescale of many games.
But for a longterm nation/conspiracy builder spanning multiple decades of IC work, it would be story-defining.

And no, thats not really how most Background dots like that work.
It takes major plot events to cost you Background dots, not the usual attrition of play.
It's powerful, but you are overselling it. Backgrounds are useful when you already have 4 dots of something, to make a multimillionaire a billionair, not to lift someone up from nothing. Or for backgrounds that cannot be acquired otherwise at all.
This is not true.
It requires patience and longterm planning to use, and so its of limited use in a shortterm game, but the idea that its only useful at buffing people who already have shit isnt actually true. Especially in ExWoD.

Not to mention, like I said, the ability to bestow Backgrounds like Totem, Paragon(DTF), Den-Realm(Changing Breeds) and Backup(Mage).

Im the person who usually is urging people to moderate their expectations of VEE.
Its not the ubercharm that some people make it out to be, especially if your story is a shortterm chronicle, instead of one that lasts years or decades in-story, with timeskips.

But you are underselling it.
 
It is not advice on how not to descend the stairs into the laboratory without spraining your ankle, but it's also not a threat, more of a neutral warning.
What do you do?
I honestly dont know whats going on here.
That she's whispering suggests she doesnt want Harry to hear, but I cant think of what she doesnt want Harry to hear but is supposed to be warning us about.

Lasciel is supposed to be gone. And we're on good terms with Bob. So its not a physical threat.
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And Mouse is upstairs here, with canine hearing, so she isnt worried about Mouse hearing her warning either.
Rolls
*Molly turns on Excellencies*
Lash uses Read Emotions +5 Dice
Reading Lash: Molly vs Lash's Poker Face
Lash to read Molly's Reaction: Lash vs Molly
Jesus Christ. Those are some obscene social rolls on both sides.
We rolled well enough to read Lash, though not as well as we would most people, so there is no hostile intent. But Im still coming up blank.
 
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[X] Quietly ask Lash what she means

Yeah, I got nothing, I don't know what Lash means.
I honestly dont know whats going on here.
That she's whispering suggests she doesnt want Harry to hear, but I cant think of what she doesnt want Harry to hear but is supposed to be warning us about.

Lasciel is supposed to be gone. And we're on good terms with Bob. So its not a physical threat.

Jesus Christ. Those are some obscene social rolls on both sides.
We rolled well enough to read Lash, though not as well as we would most people, so there is no hostile intent. But Im still coming up blank.

Molly suspects it may have to do with her actual intimacy of Harry Dresden (Crush). Lash may not have been able to read you this time around, but she was in Harry's head when Molly pulled that stunt last summer.
 
@uju32
Even if we generally agree on the Merits, I'd like to say that some of the examples you took, maybe all, were from a Mage book.

Usually vanilla mortals can't take the supernatural merits there at all, as far as I understand things.
For someone who already has the potential to master the Life Sphere, Unaging is not such a big deal, for someone who will never be able to do so, it is.
Likewise for some other Merits, who are nice little additions to being a Mage, but life-changing for a mortal.
 
Molly suspects it may have to do with her actual intimacy of Harry Dresden (Crush). Lash may not have been able to read you this time around, but she was in Harry's head when Molly pulled that stunt last summer.
Ah.
So what would Molly do IC to this? She has Subterfuge Excellency running, so she can almost certainly ask for clarification without alerting Harry, even though Mouse might still overhear.

But would she be willing to ask about such a thing to The Other Woman? :V
I suspect not.
@uju32
Even if we generally agree on the Merits, I'd like to say that some of the examples you took, maybe all, were from a Mage book.

Usually vanilla mortals can't take the supernatural merits there at all, as far as I understand things.
For someone who already has the potential to master the Life Sphere, Unaging is not such a big deal, for someone who will never be able to do so, it is.
Likewise for some other Merits, who are nice little additions to being a Mage, but life-changing for a mortal.
True.

However, in the Dresdenverse, almost every mortal is a little bit magic.
Wizards get to live multiple centuries without apparently investing any effort in life extension at all. Ernest Armand Tinwhistle aka Binder is a hundred and forty years old largely on the basis of the regular use of one summoning spell.

So it seems valid to consider the supernatural merits.

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Also worth noting that the Merit Unaging has very little gameplay impact in and of itself.
You've survived hundreds of years. Good for you. Any vampire can do that. A lot of ghouls can as well.
Doesnt necessarily imply power or skill, not if you spent all that time in a basement with a PS5.

Now the Merit Immortal?
Thats actually punchy, because IIRC it takes special measures to kill you. Else you'll survive, or come back.
Which is why its around 3x the cost.
 
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What do you do?
[] Quietly ask Lash what she means
[] Stay silent, follow Harry
[] Write in
Molly suspects it may have to do with her actual intimacy of Harry Dresden (Crush). Lash may not have been able to read you this time around, but she was in Harry's head when Molly pulled that stunt last summer.
You know what?
IC decisionmaking.

VOTE
[X]Crown Question: Focus: Scene: What dangers am I being cautioned about?

Because she's still an 18 year old with a crush, and I dont really see her being quite so secure as to ask the person who she thinks her crush might be attracted to for clarification here.

And it probably occurs to her that Lash does know the details of her crush, including all the embarassing bits that probably went over Harry's head. Including when Charity punched Harry in June because Molly came out of his hotel room bathroom wearing a towel in a really juvenile "notice me, it worked in the movies" stunt.
"Kink? You don't-look, there's no way to…" I sputtered. "No, Bob. Just no. For crying out loud. She's seventeen."
"Better move quick, then," Bob said. "Before anything starts to droop. Taste of perfection while you can, that's what I always say."
"Bob!"
"What?" he said.
"That isn't how things are."
"Not now,'" Bob said. "But you go get in that shower with her and you've got your own personal cable TV erotic movie come true."
I rubbed at the bridge of my nose. "Hell's bells. The whole idea is wrong, Bob. Just… wrong."
"Harry, even a nerd should know that it's no coincidence when a girl shows up at a man's hotel room. You know all she really wants is to-"
"Bob," I snapped, cutting him off. "Even if she wanted to, which she doesn't, nothing is happening with the girl. I'm trying to work, here. You aren't helping."
"I'd hate to disrupt your most recent attempt to court death and agony," he said brightly. "You should stick me somewhere else, where I won't distract you. On the counter in the bathroom, for example."
I slapped open one of the empty dresser drawers and tossed the skull in there, instead. Bob sputtered a few muffled curses in ancient Greek, something about sheep and a skin rash.
I looked up from the drawer into the room's mirror, and found myself facing not my reflection, but Lasciel's image instead, angelic and lovely and poised. "The perverted little creep has a point, my host," she said.
I jabbed a finger at the mirror and said, "Bob is my little creep, and the only one who gets to call him names is me. Now go away."
"Ah," Lasciel said, and the image faded to translucence, my own reflection appearing to replace it. "Fascinating, though," she added, just before vanishing, "that boyfriend Nelson bears quite the striking physical resemblance to you."
Then she was gone. Dammit. Stupid demons. Always with the last word.

Worse, she had a point. I eyed the bathroom door and reviewed the past day or so, and my interactions with the girl before that. I had always been someone her father respected and her mother disapproved of. I showed up once in a blue moon in a big black coat, usually looking roughed-up and dangerous, and I'd been doing so since she was young enough to be very impressionable. Hell, when you got right down to it, Charity's disapproval alone might have been enough to make me seem interesting to a rebellious teenage girl.
I came to the reluctant conclusion that it was possible Molly might have certain ideas in her head. It might well explain the most recent awkward silences and halting pauses. She'd always liked me, and it wasn't outrageous to think that it might have developed into something more-and that I'd be a right bastard to do anything that might encourage those ideas, even inadvertently. Maybe Bob and Lasciel were wrong, and in fact nothing like that was going on, but the passions of youth, its attractions and desires, were a minefield one took lightly at one's own peril.
Magnificent rack notwithstanding, Molly was still, in every important way, a child-my friend's child, to boot. She was hurting. It bothered me, and I wanted to help her, but I had to be aware of the fact that my sympathy could be misinterpreted. The kid had issues and she needed someone to help her work things out. She didn't need someone who would only make her more confused.
Steam curled out from under the bathroom door. An actual hot shower. Not merely the illusion of one.
I shook my head and got back to the detection web.
As spells went, this one was pretty big, but it wasn't complicated. I'd created a long-term version of the same basic working in the neighborhood around my apartment, in order to detect approaching mystical entities. The one I wanted for the hotel was the same thing, but I didn't have to bother with setting it up as a long-term construct. A sunrise, or two at most, would erode the spell, but with any luck I wouldn't need it for any longer.
I took the Play-Doh in hand, grabbed three candles in their own wooden holders, poured the sand in a circle around me, and began gathering in my power, painstakingly creating mental images of the web of energy I needed to weave between the points of the hotel I'd marked out with Play-Doh. It didn't take me a terribly long time to set it up. Anyone with some basic skills and desire enough could have done something like this- or at least, they could have done it on a smaller scale. Weaving a web throughout the whole building took a lot of heavy lifting, magically speaking, but it wasn't complicated, and fifteen minutes later I solidified the image of the energy patterns in my mind, and whispered, "Magius, orbius, spiritus oculus."
I poured my will and my magic out with the words as I spoke them, and my body briefly lit up with a flood of tingling energy that raced along all of my limbs, down into the lump of Play-Doh, and swirled in tight spirals around the three candles that would serve as my ward-flames. The spell's energy flashed, appearing as a tiny stream of faint flickers, like bursts of static electricity, and the candles each flickered to life, steady little flames born of the spell. I broke the circle of sand as I spoke, and the power blossomed out through the hotel, into the shape I'd imagined, invisible strands flickering into instant shape, like ice crystals forming in the space of a heartbeat, spreading unseen strands throughout the hotel.
My balance wobbled a bit as I finished the spell and the energy left me, submerging me in a temporary flood of fatigue. I sat there with my head down, breathing hard for a minute.
"Wow," Murphy said, her tone less than impressed. I looked up to see her shutting the room's door behind her. "What did you do?"
I waved around to indicate the hotel and panted, "If bad mojo shows up in the hotel, the spell will sense it." I gestured at the three candles. "Take one with you. If you see it flare up, it means we've got incoming."
Murphy frowned but nodded. "How much warning will they give us?"
"Not much," I said. "A couple minutes, maybe less. Maybe a lot less."
"Three candles," she said. "One for you, one for me, and…"
"I thought we'd see if Rawlins wanted one."
"Is he here?" Murphy said.
"Gut feeling," I said. "He seems like the kind who sees something through."
"He also seems like the kind who's been injured. No chance he'd get active duty here."
"He didn't have it at the hospital, either," I pointed out.
"True," Murphy said.
I caught my breath a little, and asked, "Anything at Pell's theater?"
Murphy nodded and crossed the room to pick up two of the candles. "A lot of nothing. Place was locked up tight. Chains on the front doors, and the back door was locked. Sign on the door said they were closed until further notice."
I grunted. "You'd think Pell would be wild to have the place open, if the convention was providing a significant amount of his income-even if he was in a hospital bed. Hell, especially if he was in a hospital bed."
"Unless he doesn't have anyone he trusts to run it for him."
"But he does have someone he trusts enough to lock it up?" I said. "That doesn't track. Pell sure as hell didn't lock up after he was attacked."
Murphy frowned, but she didn't disagree with me. "I tried to call him to ask him about it, but the nurse said he was sleeping."
I ran my fingers back through my hair, frowning over the situation. "Curiouser and curiouser," I said. "We're missing something here."
"Like what?" Murphy asked.
"Another player," I said. "Someone we haven't seen yet."
Murphy made a thoughtful sound. "Maybe. But imagining invisible perpetrators or hidden conspiracies veers pretty close to paranoia."
"Maybe not another suspect, then," I said thoughtfully. "Maybe another motive."
"Like what?" she asked, though I could see the wheels turning in her head as she followed the logic chain from the notion.
"These phage attacks look fairly simple at first glance. Like… I don't know. Shark attacks. Something hungry shows up to eat someone and then leaves. Natural occurrences. Or rather, typical supernatural occurrences."
"But they aren't random," Murphy said. "Someone is sending them to a specific place. Someone who used magic to try to stop you when you interfered with one of the phages."
"Which begs the obvious question…" I began.
Murphy nodded and finished the thought. "Why do it in the first place?"
I stuck my left hand out to one side of me and said, "Look over here." Then I mimed a short jab with my right fist.
"It's a rope-a-dope," Murphy said, her eyes narrowing. "A distraction. But from what?"
"Something worse than homicidal, shapeshifting, supernatural predators, apparently," I mused. "Something we'd want to stop a lot more."
"Like what?"
I shook my head and shrugged. "I don't know. Not yet, anyway."
Murphy grimaced. "Leave it to you to make paranoia sound plausible."
"It's only paranoia if I'm wrong," I said.
Murphy glanced over her shoulder and shivered a little. "Yeah." She turned back to me, squared her shoulders, and took a steadying breath. "Okay. What's the play, here? I assume you've got something in mind beyond having a minute or two of warning."
"Yes," I said.
"What?" she asked.
"It gets kind of technical," I said.
"I'll try to keep up," she said.
I nodded. "Anytime something from the spirit world wants to cross into the mortal world, it has to do a number of things to cross the border. It has to have a point of origin, a point of destination, and enough energy to open the way. Then it has to cross over, summon ectoplasm from the Nevernever, and infuse it with more energy to give itself a physical body."
She frowned. "What do you mean by points of origin and destination?"
"Links," I told her. "Sort of like landmarks. Usually, the creature you're calling up can serve as its own point of origin. Whoever is opening the way across is usually the destination."
"Can anyone be the destination?" she asked.
"No," I said. "You can't call up anything that isn't…" I frowned, looking for words. "You can't call up anything that doesn't have some kind of reflection inside you, a kind of point of reference for the spirit being. If you want evil, nasty, hungry beings, there's got to be evil, nasty, and hunger inside of you."
She nodded. "Does the way have to be opened from this side?"
"Generally," I said. "It takes a hell of a lot more oomph to get it done from the other side."
She nodded. "Go on."
I told her about my plan to turn the phages back upon their summoner.
"I like that," she said. "Using their own monsters against them. But what does that leave me to do?"
"You buy me time," I said. "There will be a moment just when the phage or phages cross over, where they will be vulnerable. If you're able to see one and distract it, it will give me more time to aim them back at their summoner. And it's possible that my spell might not work. If it goes south, you'll be near enough to help clear people out, maybe do them some good."
Murphy began to speak-then she paused, turned around, and asked, "Harry. Is there someone in the shower?"
"Uh. Yeah," I said, and rubbed at the back of my neck.
She arched a brow and waited, but I didn't offer any explanation. Maybe it was my way of getting petty vengeance for her brutal honesty in the elevator.
"All right then," she said, and took up the candles. "I'll get downstairs and look for Rawlins. Otherwise, I'll grab one of my guys from SI."
"Sounds good," I said.
Murphy left, while I started planning out my redirection spell. It didn't take me long.
Mouse lifted his head suddenly, and a second later someone knocked at the door. I went over and opened it.
Charity stood on the other side, dressed in jeans, a knit tank top, and a blue blouse of light cotton. Her features were drawn with stress, her shoulders clenched in unconscious tension. When she saw me, her features became remote and neutral, very controlled. "Hello, Mister Dresden."
It was probably the friendliest greeting I could expect from her. "Heya," I said.
Standing beside her was an old man, a little under average height. What was left of his hair was grey, trimmed neatly, though hardly a fringe remained. He had eyes the color of robin's eggs, spectacles, a comfortably heavy build, and wore black slacks and a black shirt. The white square of his clerical collar stood out distinctively against the shirt. He smiled when he saw me, and offered me his hand.
I shook it, smiling, and had no need to fake it. "Father Forthill. What are you doing here?"
"Harry," he said amiably. "Lending some moral support, by and large."
"He's my attorney," Charity added.
I blinked. "He is?"
"He is," Forthill said, smiling. "I passed the bar before I entered the orders. I've kept my hand in on behalf of the diocese and my parishioners. I do some pro bono work from time to time, too."
"He's a lawyer," I said. "He's a priest. This does not compute."
Forthill let out a belly laugh. "Oxymoronic."
"Hey, did I start calling you names?" I grinned at him. "What can I do for you?"
"Molly was supposed to be waiting for us downstairs," Charity said. "But we haven't found her. Do you know where she is?"
The universe conspired against me. If Charity had asked the question ten seconds sooner, I would have been fine. But instead, the bathroom door opened, and Molly appeared in a swirl of steam. She had a towel wrapped around her hair, and was holding another around her torso. Hotel towels and Molly's torso being what they were, the towel didn't quite get all the way around her, and barely maintained modesty. "Harry," she said. "I left my bag out he-" She broke off suddenly, staring at Charity.
"This, uh, isn't what it looks like," I stammered, turning back to Charity.
Her eyes blazed with cold, righteous rage. An old Kipling axiom about the female of the species being more deadly than the male flashed through my mind, right about the time Charity introduced my chin to her right hook.
Light flashed behind my eyes and I found myself flat on my back while the ceiling spun around a little.
"Mother," Molly said in a shocked voice.

I looked up in time to see Forthill put a firm hand on Charity's arm, preventing her from following up the first blow. She narrowed her eyes at Forthill, but the old man's fingers dug into her biceps until she gave him a slight nod and took a small step back into the hallway.
"Dress," she told Molly, implacable authority in her tone. "We're leaving."
The kid looked like she might just start falling apart on the spot. She grabbed her bag, ducked into the bathroom, and was dressed in under a minute.

"There was nothing going on," I mumbled. It came out sounding more like, "Mmrphg ggggh oonng."
"I may not be able to keep you away from my husband," Charity said, her tone cold, her diction precise. "But if you come near one of my children again, I will kill you. Thank you for calling me."
She left, the weary Molly following her.
"There was nothing going on," I said again, to Forthill. This time it sounded mostly like English.
He sighed, looking after the pair. "I believe you." He gave me a smile that was one part amusement to four parts apology, and followed them.
Murphy must not have reached the elevators before Charity and Forthill had arrived. She appeared in the doorway, peering inside the room, and then back the way Charity had gone. "Ah," she said. "You all right?"
"I guess," I sighed.
Her mouth twitched, but she didn't quite smile or laugh at me. "Seems to me that you should have seen that one coming."
"Don't laugh at me," I said. "It hurts."
"You've had worse," she said heartlessly. "And it serves you right for letting a little girl into your hotel room. Now get up. I'll be downstairs."
She left, too.
Mouse came over and started patiently nuzzling my chin and putting slobbering dog kisses on the bruise I could feel forming there.
"Women confuse me," I told him.
Mouse sat down, jaws dropping open into a doggie grin. I groaned, pushed myself to my feet, and set about preparing the redirection spell, while outside my room's window the sun raced for its nightly rendezvous with the western horizon.

Mechanically?
She's only spent 2m so far that I can tell: Empathy and Subterfuge Excellencies.
She can afford to spend 2m more before she starts glowing.
 
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Speaking of alarming magic and the products thereof... Out of the corner of your eye you analize Lash, crosslegged in the couch petting Mister who for his part enjoys his due from all too leggers, eyes narrowed into slits, purring like a lawnmower. She isn't just doing it for something to do with her hands, you don't think, she seems to be enjoying the contact, the novelty of being able to touch something at all. For his part Harry is trying not to stare and failing.

analyze not analize

two leggers not too leggers and why is Mister using disableist slurs?

Never in your life have you had a more exacting controll of your facial muscles because yeah the thought of Lash 'tunning up' Harry does not make you happy, but the absolute worst thing you could do in this situation is show it. That would give him another reason to fall for her, disuating you of that 'silly little crush'. So you are going to play it as cold as the heart of the howling Wastes.

Harry sighs and heads for the throw run that hides the entrance to the laboratory, but Lash frowns ever so slightly the subtle light in her eyes growing bighter, an expression that would not be out of place in the mirror you have to admit. "Be careful," she half whispers. It is not advice on how not to descend the stairs into the laboratory without spraining your ankle, but it's also not a threat, more of a neutral warning.

control not controll

tuning not tunning

dissuading not disuating

rug not run

slightly, the

brighter not bighter

Time for some girlfriend talk. The first of many if I am not mistaken.
 
I mean, what are the odds we can crack linguistics and share? We are literally capable of inhuman success. What are the odds we could literally crack linguistics and then simply share the breakthrough as real science?

Without magic? Zero.

You can't get blood from a stone and you can't get context from nothing. There isn't a way to do this without context specific data; mega dice or not you need context as leverage to even start.
 
in regards to Merits, the first merit anyone and everyone should receive is this:
Because I Think I Can (6pt. Merit)
When you declare you are using a point of Willpower and
roll for successes, your self-confidence may allow you to gain
the benefit of that expenditure without losing the Willpower
point. You do not lose the point of Willpower unless you fail
your roll. This also prevents you from botching. This Merit
may only be used when the difficulty of your roll is 6 or higher.
It's from Changleling: 20th anniversary edition (page 181), and it's classified as a mental merit, not supernatural. It's an improved version of a similar 5 pt. mage merit. And it's flat-out incredible. It prevents you from botching and grants +1 flat free success for any DC6 or higher rolls, which is most of them.

I would strongly urge that we equip all our operatives with it as soon as we can.
 
Never in your life have you had a more exacting control of your facial muscles because yeah the thought of Lash 'running up' Harry does not make you happy, but the absolute worst thing you could do in this situation is show it. That would give him another reason to fall for her, dissuading you of that 'silly little crush'. So you are going to play it as cold as the heart of the howling Wastes.
Molly, no offense, but I'm praying he ends up with Lash instead of you, so you can finally understand what should be the maxim of those seeking relationships of any kind: if the other side says NO, accept it.

[X]Crown Question: Focus: Scene: What dangers am I being cautioned about?
 
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I think that the optimal thing to do with Lash is to recruit her as effectively a lesser deity in Molly's pantheon.

That would hopefully allow her to make many pacts with the inhabitants of the FFC, granting them the good sorcery merits.
Well should have asked for that when Lash was offering. Bit late now no I'm not bitter.
 
Molly, no offense, but I'm praying he ends up with Lash instead of you, so you can finally understand what should be the maxim of those seeking relationships of any kind: if the other side says NO, accept it.

[X]Crown Question: Focus: Scene: What dangers am I being cautioned about?
Has Dresden done that in this timeline? I don't recall. There wasn't that cold water bucket scene from the end of Proven Guilty in this timeline.
 
Well should have asked for that when Lash was offering. Bit late now no I'm not bitter.
Binding people isn't necessarily a great way to get and keep their loyalty, and even setting that aside this is a bad idea.

Remember that Lash isn't just suddenly on our side with identical interests to ours just because she hates the Denarians. We basically decided to gamble on it all working out, but she's existed in this state for less than a week at this point and there's only so far that should go.

Using our religious authority to sign off on her to the FCF would be incredibly irresponsible.

Additionally, look at the DtF pages DP posted again. It's not explicitly mechanically enforced, but one of the first things it says is that demons are not supposed to spam their deal making power and break their power curve. Each deal is supposed to individually be a big deal, and our sample is a mid game character with three thralls.

Instant godhood via tens to hundreds of deals wasn't ever on the table by RaW.
 
Molly, no offense, but I'm praying he ends up with Lash instead of you, so you can finally understand what should be the maxim of those seeking relationships of any kind: if the other side says NO, accept it.
Same half the reason I wanted Lash to get a body was so Molly could eventually get over her crush.

Not sure why people want to use a crown question on it when the answer is relatively obvious.

Lash is staking her claim here and wants Molly to not cause problems over it. Seems simple enough. Remember Lash has a tendency to see the worst in people so far.
 
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