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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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BoredMan
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Same we don't want to make a habit of using it when we don't at all need to. We could simply talk it out because we will have to at some point regardless and again I feel like the answer to that Crown question is an obvious one.
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Apparently not everyone agrees, since there is a general feeling of *what the hell is she talking about?* going on.
BoredMan
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Which is weird to me considering Molly was trying to keep a poker face over Lash pinning after him and it seems based on rolls that Lash saw through it before making that comment. We can also infer that Lash has been teasing and or flirting with him.
What else would she be talking about?
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[X] Quietly ask Lash what she means
Fiiiinneee let's be reasonable
Fiiiinneee let's be reasonable
Lash is talking about how Molly is trying to pretend that Lash's flirtations don't bother her right in front of Harry.
The idea is, if Harry thinks that Molly really isn't bothered by it, he will conclude that any crush she had on him is over due to his low self esteem.
This is not something Molly really wants, because she DOES still have a crush and she IS still interested in him.
I'm honestly not sure why some people seem to have trouble with this, because I don't think that Lash is honestly interested in Harry in that way based on her background, prior behavior, and canon character. He's still a monkey in her eyes, she admires him but not in that way, and I'd expect if she does start a genuine romance with anyone it will be a long time down the road after she's sorted herself out.
I would honestly expect that in between flirting with Harry to rile him up, she's been discussing Molly's crush with him and why he should just give in to Molly and agree to a romance... In a manipulative way that makes her reasons seem awful or disingenuous because he hates being reasonsed with, but still in a way that makes him consider it. In Lash's mind, I'd expect the idea is if she can force Harry to make a choice, if only to stop Lash flirting with him, it's a good way to repay Molly for what she's done for her.
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BoredMan
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She just got a body. It's way to soon to come to that conclusion. If she doesn't feel that way about him right now that could very well change given time.
Also I thought the general vibe from canon was that she did fall in love to some degree because she was willing to sacrifice herself for him and then the brain baby thing happened.
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My thought process for Molly and Harry right now is why not Molly. She wants him he's right there they have chemistry and similar interests so why not. I am open to thoughts on why not but Molly is grown women with responsibilities and Harry is a grown man with the same. Not to mention this one is mostly out of character but don't we and Harry have indefinite lifespans essentially.
Not quite, Molly has an indefinite lifespan, Harry just has a very long one, from a mortal perspective there is not much difference, but in the long run there is if you want to think on that scale.
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I mean hypothetically if they met 50 years down the line as a healthy wizard and nuclear hell princess in their 70s-90s I wouldn't mind, but in this context Molly met Harry as a tween when Harry was firmly in his 20s. And no amount of 'technically an adult now' makes me comfortable with that relationship.
Cause she had a kid with him in canon? Sure that involved selflessly dying out of love for another and not sex, but love comes in different types and it's reasonable to assume a romantic one in this particular context.
She clearly doesn't see him as just another monkey in any case.
Modus_Tollens
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I'll actively push against any relationship with Harry... figuring that, while Molly might want the man like he was made out of bacon, she has the sense to know that pushing it on the man wouldn't be fair to him even if she was successful. She probably would be successful, she is convincing enough she could convince someone to set themselves on fire with a half decent roll, but if anything that means she has to be far more circumspect in regard to her own judgement. Consent is iffy when you can just see the buttons that will make a human being say 'yes' when pushed.
Right now, if we broke out noneuclidean kama sutra moves, it would put a lot of mental and social strain on him that he doesn't need. He still thinks of us as a kid, he's not the sort of guy who could handle the extra weird social dynamics that would come with that, and he already has potential love interests he needs to come to terms with one way or the other. We shouldn't cheat.
So, yeah, I'm on board with wrecking the man's hips in a decade or five if he is still available. But sure as hell not now. We'll probably have like three solid, reasonably long term relationships that run their natural course before we break up the funtime handcuffs with him, if ever.
At the very least Lash deserves a chance to figure out what she wants. The girl should have her chance.
I'm pretty sure that her version of love is a lot more complex than ours. She was created separate from any sort of biological imperative and so her romance probably isn't sex based. Not that there wouldn't be some really great sex because that sort of interplay touches the soul of the other person but I imagine the actual sex would be but a tool.
Which is fine. It arguably might be healthier than the instinct-driven contrivance we are saddled with.
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BoredMan
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You mean aside from the fact that Charity, Micheal and (probably) Lash wouldn't approve? Harry has known Molly since she was 14 I believe and while she just became 18 now Harry(correct me if I'm wrong)should be in his early 30's at this point. That a 10+ year mental gap.
With everything that has happened I don't think he does at this point but he is stubborn so who knows.
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Good night guys, see you tomorrow with demonic councils a.k.a. girl talk. 
Those are all good points but they don't really detract from the idea. Those are good Salient points but why would Molly stop trying to pursue him at this point she's gotten good feedback and she wants him so those points existed before and they haven't changed what she wanted so I'm having trouble finding it in character for her to stop at this point. Hell at this point I'm sure she could probably tell it would be a bad idea to actually go for it but she's invested.
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Never doubt the human capacity for doublethink.
In fairness she absolutely is, or at least is operating at teenager emotional maturity levels while he's a grown man.
Nothing about exalting has really changed that, which you can clearly see in stuff like this situation we're voting about right now.
It's not double think to see Molly as inhumanly capable, but still fundamentally the same person she's always been and therefore as inappropriate a partner has she ever was.
This isn't canon, and this isn't the largest diversion we would have introduced into her character. The situation is very different here and Molly has other priorities right now. It's entirely reasonable for us to simply not get into it until the whole thing fizzles out.
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I can't give a direct quote from either the books (because my knowledge of DF comes almost entirely from omose and wiki) and the quest (because I'm very, very bad at using the search tool), sorry. But Molly knew before she was Exalted that Harry didn't approve of her interest in him and after that with her supernatural senses she realized with more clarity(just like she did now, where she knew that if she shows jealousy over Harry's interest in Lash , that would only encourage him and that Harry certainly thinks that her crush on him is not something that should continue, which as she is a teenager means she ignores his opinion because she thinks she knows better)
BoredMan
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You must be talking about physical attraction because I don't recall them breaking into the subject like adults. Just teasing on her end when the opportunity arises and before the quest odd things done on her part to entice him.
That doesn't mean much, people do irrational things all the time because of attraction or idealism. Harry has alot of baggage Molly isn't at all aware of.
I get your point though emotions don't care much that multiple people would have issues with that including Harry. This is a problem I had with her canon character even if her having a hero crush in itself is understandable, people can ignore such things with people they idolize or are infatuated with.
However, I refuse to believe that she hasn't realized by now that Harry likely doesn't want that or feels he can't and just hasn't internalized that fact. The shower scene when
Tldr: She is still immature in a lot of ways even with everything that has happened and I don't think getting into a relationship with Harry is a good idea in anyway. She might not want to let him go because she isn't thinking rationally on the subject but I don't think that is reason enough to encourage it in our votes.
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OctarineShrike
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That scene didn't happen in this timeline. It happened in the end of Proven Guilty when Molly became Harry's apprentice
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This is an issue, she didn't receive good feedback. She flirted with him a little during the quest and he reacted because she is a pretty girl, but with her senses she already knows that he doesn't feel comfortable with the thought of this relationship which is why she holds back when in a previous update( the wedding of the member of the Order) she realized that she could treat ordinary humans like machines with clearly indicated levers if she wanted and she didn't like it.
The point is that Molly wants and see no problem with that, but Harry definitely does. And we must respect his choice (right or wrong). I have no problem with them having a relationship in 20 to 30 years (almost nothing with their life expectancies) but not in the short or medium term.
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BoredMan
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Are you sure? The Quest starts in that book but I can't recall exactly when the scene happens. I thought it was earlier in the book like before her kidnapping?
That scene would have been after the point of divergence (once Molly was his apprentice in fact) so it indeed never happened in this quest. The most that happened was the 'asking for a shower' scene @uju32 mentioned earlier.
OctarineShrike
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While I can't discount the possibility of Molly pulling some kind of stunt before the end it's been a while since I read it, I am quite sure the bucket scene happened in the end.
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