Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

We have to ask, because, to use an analogy, if a Dragon's Nest is like a lake, we would be temporarily draining it, and then waiting for it to refill from the rivers that flow into it.

@DragonParadox what exhausting a Dragon Nest at Last Station would do to Porter and how it would affect the power generation of Last Station?
Less like a lake, and more like the accumulated silt of a riverbed.
You can dredge it, and it will take some time to reaccumulate. But it will reaccumulate.
And meantime, it doesnt affect the river volume.

I mean, ley lines and nodes are major plot points.

The dinosaur that Dresden raised during Dead Beat required him pulling power from a ley line. The great circle that the Denarians used to imprison the Archive required power from at least one, if not multiple circles. The bloodline ritual curse at Chitchen Itza required the entire set of nexuses there to prime it. The attack on Demonreach during Cold Days allegedly required nexus power.

None of them were drained, or even lessened.
Leylines and nexuses/Dragons Nests just work differently in the Dresdenverse than in WoD.
In WoD, you can destroy Dragons Nests. And make them.

Not here.
The alternative is to use one inside our soul.
I am reasonably sure our soul doesnt qualify.
For much the same reason as when the QM vetoed the idea of our Hell being the primary source of all the reagents and shit we could use for crafting stuff.
 
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If Porter stops moving around you might have to switch to a normal generator.
Thanks. So, what does Molly think about doing the animation inside her kingdom? Assume we use WHWH, BSM and excellency when considering the issue. What are the likely risks (like Lash getting root / admin access to Molly's soul) and consequences (for the nature of Lash's vessel, and for Molly herself)?
None of them were drained, or even lessened
Mortal vs exalted craft. Dresden lit a large bonfire, we are powering a megacity in comparison. And see answers above.
 
Thanks. So, what does Molly think about doing the animation inside her kingdom? Assume we use WHWH, BSM and excellency when considering the issue. What are the likely risks (like Lash getting root / admin access to Molly's soul) and consequences (for the nature of Lash's vessel, and for Molly herself)?

Won't work unfortunately, Molly is already putting in as much power as she can into the thing, the process needs some kind of external tap into the physical non-Molly world
 
So, ok. Last Station is a viable idea, but I would insist we look for other nests first, or start working on Porter's train body with any overflow from Lashcreation, and in the next month as compensation.
 
Porter would become sleepy since it is the high magic environment that allows him to be as active as he is, how sleepy Molly is not sure, but she is confident it will not hurt him in the long run.
If Porter stops moving around you might have to switch to a normal generator.
That shouldnt happen.

Leyline nexuses in the Dresdenverse dont work the same way as in WoD; here, they are confluences.
You should be able to drain whatever the potentia/tass is that is required for making Wonders, but you cant deplete the Dragons Nest magic itself, any more than you could drain the ocean. Not how Dresdenverse magic appears to work.

I'd go digging for canon references, but Im sleepy right now.
Mortal vs exalted craft. Dresden lit a large bonfire, we are powering a megacity in comparison. And see answers above.
You're talking about the equivalent of sticking a straw in the ocean.
Power isnt as dense as it used to be in the Age of Legends, but there's still a fuckton of it floating around, and a Dragons Nest is seeing a shitton flow in and out per second from the leylines that cross over it

You would have to drain every leyline running in and out of this confluence to have any sort of effect on the magic level in this spot.
And too many leylines are apparently connected for that to be feasible.
Or not have major effects on the local magical ecology.
 
That shouldnt happen.

Leyline nexuses in the Dresdenverse dont work the same way as in WoD; here, they are confluences.
You should be able to drain whatever the potentia/tass is that is required for making Wonders, but you cant deplete the Dragons Nest magic itself, any more than you could drain the ocean. Not how Dresdenverse magic appears to work.

I'd go digging for canon references, but Im sleepy right now.

You're talking about the equivalent of sticking a straw in the ocean.
Power isnt as dense as it used to be in the Age of Legends, but there's still a fuckton of it floating around, and a Dragons Nest is seeing a shitton flow in and out per second from the leylines that cross over it

You would have to drain every leyline running in and out of this confluence to have any sort of effect on the magic level in this spot.
And too many leylines are apparently connected for that to be feasible.
Or not have major effects on the local magical ecology.

Magic isn't actually water, or light or any other physical thing for all comparisons are often used, it is magic. Yes tapping a leyline isn't going to make the magic of the entire world (the ocean in that comparison) run out, but it will temporarily disrupt the flow. I suppose if we are to keep with the frame of reference one might think of it as draining the underground reservoir under the confluence of rivers so now some of that flow has to to to refilling it for a time instead of flowing swift and strong on the surface.

Now if you could somehow normalize the flow differentials for the purpose of crafting *cough* cap the demesne with a manse *cough* you would not have that problem anymore, but what kind of magician would alter the basic functions of reality like that? :V
 
Now if you could somehow normalize the flow differentials for the purpose of crafting *cough* cap the demesne with a manse *cough* you would not have that problem anymore, but what kind of magician would alter the basic functions of reality like that? :V
Canon ExvsWoD is clear on the subject and doesn't allow manses. This is a higher energy setting. So, I'm guessing, a multistage project at the very edge of possibility. First raise Dragon Nest to 5 dots, then do multiple linked 5 dot wondermaking projects. Something like that?
 
Canon ExvsWoD is clear on the subject and doesn't allow manses. This is a higher energy setting. So, I'm guessing, a multistage project at the very edge of possibility. First raise Dragon Nest to 5 dots, then do multiple linked 5 dot wondermaking projects. Something like that?

Yep, it is basically making your own Demonreach, though of course you do not have to make it a prison.
 
How would improving the Dragons nest look in this? ExvsWoD book has the dots on it only being how secure it is rather then how big and powerful it is. So would Molly just go around turning it into a fortress or something?
 
How would improving the Dragons nest look in this? ExvsWoD book has the dots on it only being how secure it is rather then how big and powerful it is. So would Molly just go around turning it into a fortress or something?

It's a gemomatic working so some adaption of how that works in exalted would be used. Imagine a public works project, but it is also high grade magic. It would require significant amounts of labor not just mundane, but arcane as well, sorcerous assistants and on that note it is a good thing you have a friendly elemental.
 
It's a gemomatic working so some adaption of how that works in exalted would be used. Imagine a public works project, but it is also high grade magic. It would require significant amounts of labor not just mundane, but arcane as well, sorcerous assistants and on that note it is a good thing you have a friendly elemental.
Hmm... That would take a lot of AP, wouldn't it? What kind of benefits are we looking at?
 
Hmm... That would take a lot of AP, wouldn't it? What kind of benefits are we looking at?
  1. The most immediate benefit is a manse would not constantly drain from crafting.
  2. You would get a heart-stone, which is the thing you need if you want to build a daiklave or other works of sorcery and artifice out of lost ages
  3. Chicago would have a lot more magic overall to direct, a lot more magic, enough so for city wide enchantments like 'any Red Court vampire who tries to hunt here gets lost and always ends up on the same street where coincidentally there is a payroll of Molly and Co'. We are talking one or two enchantments about a strong as your charms.
 
  1. The most immediate benefit is a manse would not constantly drain from crafting.
  2. You would get a heart-stone, which is the thing you need if you want to build a daiklave or other works of sorcery and artifice out of lost ages
  3. Chicago would have a lot more magic overall to direct, a lot more magic, enough so for city wide enchantments like 'any Red Court vampire who tries to hunt here gets lost and always ends up on the same street where coincidentally there is a payroll of Molly and Co'. We are talking one or two enchantments about a strong as your charms.
I would think a better use of such an enchantment would be to augment our followers. Giving everyone who follows us something like an always on excellency would be extremely powerful.
 
I would think a better use of such an enchantment would be to augment our followers. Giving everyone who follows us something like an always on excellency would be extremely powerful.

As strong as you charms does not mean conceptually identical to your charms alas. The thing about excellencies is they represent an inhuman level of skill. Give that to a human and in only one field and they will start becoming obsessed with whatever that is.
 
  1. The most immediate benefit is a manse would not constantly drain from crafting.
  2. You would get a heart-stone, which is the thing you need if you want to build a daiklave or other works of sorcery and artifice out of lost ages
  3. Chicago would have a lot more magic overall to direct, a lot more magic, enough so for city wide enchantments like 'any Red Court vampire who tries to hunt here gets lost and always ends up on the same street where coincidentally there is a payroll of Molly and Co'. We are talking one or two enchantments about a strong as your charms.
So, upgrade Last Station to a manse, then make god of Chicago using heart stone of the manse as their keystone. This should make Chicago the most magical city in the world
 
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