BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
We killed several people this year in the name of justice.
We can ask the Library of Congress for those Akuma back?
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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
Yeah. Even if they drop the coin they still have the shade. THAT we can exorcise no problem, but we really should avoid mucking with the divine prison that is the coins.
Yeah, but so has he!
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- Earth
People that willingly drop the coin after they took it up fully don't get a shade.
Yes, but we don't have to limit ourselves to willingly. Pull the coin out of their limp unconscious fingers, encase the coin in unbreakable mirror, and rip the shade and any lingering connection to the fallen out of the ex-fallen host so they can't summon the coin to themselves when they wake up.
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- Germany
Honestly, I'm very okay with just killing people who don't willingly drop the Coin.
Even the Knights are okay with killing those.
No need to go through all those hoops when the solution is a blade's edge away.
- Location
- Right Where I Am
[X] Plan All Obligations Fulfilled in Time for Christmas
We also have the Merlin's explicit support in contacting and organizing minor talents.
I mean for magical material the easiest to get is magical gold if the sun can do it. Just need a active volcano and a bunch of mirrors.
They are.
The Fallen require a willing, living host to act through. Separate the Coin from the host, and its powerless. Whether the Coin is given up willingly by the Host, or the holder loses the Coin somehow, doesnt change the outcome.
There's a reason why a lot of Denarians carry their Coin somewhere hard to lose, under their skin, in their stomach or otherwise.
Because if they arent carrying it, they dont have access to the Fallen or their Denarian powers. And other evil people who crave Denarian power and immortality will try their hand at shanking them for their Coin if they can.
Quintus Cassius tried to do it to Dresden in Dead Beat after all.
Knights of the Cross arent empowered to take a Coin away from a willing host, just to allow him to exercise his free will; if the human chooses to keep the Coin, the Knight(or Knights) kills him to recover the Coin.
Or tries to.
Molly is potentially one of the few people who both has the capability to forcibly take a Coin away from a willing host, and who also has the willingness to take the risk instead of simply shooting the host in the head.
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- Germany
And we'd need the know-how.
And also the sun of today would need to have the metaphysical properties that allowed the light of the Daystar to create Orichalcum, which is not a given.
Yes, but the Knights demand things like offering them the chance to renounce the coin. I say we get the drop of them in the middle of the night when they get up to go to the bathroom. Just BAM, out like a light.
THEN we can let the knights offer them a choice.
Vote closed, it's not quite 24 hours but voting has slowed down and I do not want to let it get too late
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- Germany
Strongly disagree with the last bit.
A Denarian that doesn't want to give up the Coin can die.
To be clear, if the situation allows it I'm in favor of using our full suite of supernatural abilities, from social skills to an alchemical Willpower-boost for the host to give them a genuine chance at dropping the Coin.
But if they don't, we should kill them.
Not like they'll stop being a problem after being forcefully de-Coined, as seen with Cassius.
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- Right Where I Am
We have options and rules that they don't.
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- Canada
Random Coin-Holder: *wakes up tied to a chair* Where am I?! Who are you?! What's going on?!
Molly: That's not important. What's important is this: *brings hellfire sword up close to their hand* Are you going to renounce the coin, or are you going to renounce your hand?
Michael: I... I feel like this is cheating Molly 😨
Molly: If it works it works
Molly: That's not important. What's important is this: *brings hellfire sword up close to their hand* Are you going to renounce the coin, or are you going to renounce your hand?
Michael: I... I feel like this is cheating Molly 😨
Molly: If it works it works
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- Germany
We have more options, yes.
But less rules.
We can kill people if that is the most practical solution, we have proven it more than once.
That's what Exalted tier social skills are for. If we don't like their opinions we can just give them new ones.
Or dump them into our private superprison in a land where death has no meaning and they have as long as is required to repent before returning to God's embrace.
A superprison where the only way mundane criminals stop being a problem is if they repent. I bet our Hell has good therapists.
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- Right Where I Am
If there is anyone for us to lock up for forcible rehabilitation attempts, then it's forcibly former Denarians.
If it's necessary. I'm willing to have us go out of our way to give people a last chance before we jump to lethal force.
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- Earth
NWS. Hope the Fallen somehow orchestrated their greatest shame or at least made it worse.
Use that information to drive a wedge.
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- Near Water
Are the coin fallen different from the WOD fallen who wear human bodies as suits?
- Location
- Germany
Yes.
The Fallen remain mostly inside the Coins, not inside the people (as seen by the fact that the connection can be severed by dropping or loosing the Coin).
Also the human host remains conscious, rather than be a mostly passive shell for the Demon. How much power the demon exerts over the host varies, from Nick working together with Anduriel for two millennia on one side, to the bear-guy completely suppressing his host on the other.
All things said both in story and mechanics the Fallen are closer to Earthbound, the Coins being their reliquaries and the Nickleheads their Thralls, than the classic DtF-Demon.
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- Earth
Coin Fallen are from Dresden Files.
They are literally the fallen Christian angels.
Winning Vote
Arc 10 Post 9: Of Delegation and Invitation
Of Delegation and Invitation
2nd of December 2006 A.D.
"Mhm, yep, just clean extractions, if you can make it so the vampires do not know who did it that would be great, but I am mostly interested in the people being clear. I gave my word."
"Understood, your down-payment has been received, with the rest owed on completion," the calm professional voice with just a hint of an accent you cannot place, replies. For all the world you could have been contracting an electrician to look at the wiring or a catering company for an event, which you guess is the hallmark of truly efficient mercenaries.
Alas the need for what Thomas calls 'financial hygiene' and what you call shenanigans means that all the money has to all go into a holding account in Lebanon right now, a blow to the finances of Chicago Synthetics even when one counts divesting about half of Arnianna's walking around money into the company coffers. Where exactly Thomas found someone who will take a half full over the counter duffel bag of hundred dollar bills and put it in a bank account you do not know because you do not have to.
1 Resources Lost
Rescue Mission in Progress
"Who was that on the phone?" Mom asks having somehow sneaked up behind you.
Darn it.
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3rd of December 2006 A.D.
The conversation that followed that encounter was not what you had expected, so much so that by the next day you are still mulling it over in your head. Not only had your mother not seen anything wrong in dealing with private military contractors as long as it was for a good cause she had proceeded to ask Dad if he could use the help doing good works. True the answer had been a polite refusal, but still that sounded like something you would ask.
Of course you are not going to have to make use of Monoc's resources for things like this for long. Thomas has the papers lined up for discrete agents from the Five Courts as soon as you get the people over to have their various pictures and measurements taken. This time you won't be going along either, not only are you going to take Lydia again to have a talk with the Keepers of the Final Passage, but also Olivia and Daniel to have a look at some weapons and potential instructors.
Your little brother could be described as 'gung ho' and trying not to show it too much whereas Olivia... well she does not know where you are going, just that you had found her potential trainers if she can free up the weekend for it. Part of you had almost hoped that she had changed her mind, but no. If anything the furor caused by the Merlin rolling into town had made her even more resolved to find some kind of security apart from the auspices of the White Court.
"Big Hat magic man rolls into town and we all have to pull on our forelocks and courtsy like medieval serfs, hope he does not notice us. Screw that."
Even though you do point out the Merlin would not actually have expected any kind of special deference she counters that he had not gone out of his way to calm spirits either, just rolled into town, empty out Mac's place for the evening did his business and rolled out. Ignoring the disguiet of her fellow talents had been in her eyes almost a worse sin than having caused it himself. You wonder how she is going to react to Sanctuary... and you consider how to present the news of your new station.
[] Focus on your secular duties: I might not know what I am doing, but I am trying to learn and not break anything in the meantime
[] Focus on the metaphysics: You know how I told you my power is old strange. Well turns out I did not know the half of it
[] Write in
OOC: A bit of a short update, but Olivia is the firs member of the Order of the Cauldron you are taking to your realm, how you choose to do so is quite relevant.
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The same is in WoD